enoob57 Posted September 23, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,180 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,458 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I agree as our most loving example 'God' and The ultimate punishment hell... as the Father in Heaven has many times spanked me to turn me from the path of sin ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I'm torn on this issue because I think that a lot times "spanking" is used in place of proper correction. Children are often doing things like pushing boundaries as a way of learning and finding out the context of learning. If a child lies, it's probably because he/she has seen lying used at times without repercussions and are left wondering why it's okay to lie in some instances but not in others. Take for example Santa Claus... parents lie about Santa and everything is a big party and the child plays along; but when they lie about eating an extra cookie... here comes the belt. So unless the physical aspect of correction is accompanied by plentiful discussion and context setting, the "spanking" becomes simple abuse. Little is learned from the experience except "if you make Dad angry, you get hurt." So the take away from that is to do a better job at not making Dad angry... maybe even hide your lies better. And while many kids who get spanked become well-behaved adults, there are often deep psychological scars left over. The once improperly spanked child, now adult, has become a good deceiver and someone who puts on a good show but has a very troubled past. Education is the key to childhood correction, a training of the child to grow in the ways of the Lord. If "spanking" is required the child obviously needs more education and context-setting as well so it would also be important to take the child aside and pray to God about the whole incident, including the spanking part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 23, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,180 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,458 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 23, 2016 The whole pain part is due to the fall and God's displeasure with sin... Love is to turn from error and obey. When the rod is used it must be enforced with the understanding that this is the purpose - to persuade the child to turn from error and serve the Lord. Hell is full of those who would not turn from the error... and God states He desired not even one to be there 2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) [9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Some people see this as an impotent idea toward God... however when seen as The God Who made man to be imaged after Himself yet fallen by self decision God honors His Own sovereignty in this and provides a way back from the error- when and if man does the pain is not removed but the sight of the path to Him and future relief a definite conclusion... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 38 minutes ago, Teditis said: I'm torn on this issue because I think that a lot times "spanking" is used in place of proper correction. Children are often doing things like pushing boundaries as a way of learning and finding out the context of learning. If a child lies, it's probably because he/she has seen lying used at times without repercussions and are left wondering why it's okay to lie in some instances but not in others. Take for example Santa Claus... parents lie about Santa and everything is a big party and the child plays along; but when they lie about eating an extra cookie... here comes the belt. So unless the physical aspect of correction is accompanied by plentiful discussion and context setting, the "spanking" becomes simple abuse. Little is learned from the experience except "if you make Dad angry, you get hurt." So the take away from that is to do a better job at not making Dad angry... maybe even hide your lies better. And while many kids who get spanked become well-behaved adults, there are often deep psychological scars left over. The once improperly spanked child, now adult, has become a good deceiver and someone who puts on a good show but has a very troubled past. Education is the key to childhood correction, a training of the child to grow in the ways of the Lord. If "spanking" is required the child obviously needs more education and context-setting as well so it would also be important to take the child aside and pray to God about the whole incident, including the spanking part. The Santa thing isn't' really a good example. By the time I was 7, I knew Santa didn't exist and it didn't cause any moral confusion. It was a game and I knew it. I don't know of anyone who has borne any emotional scars over finding out that Santa, the tooth fairy and Easter bunny are not real. Moral confusion would more likely occur if one was told to lie by one's parents in certain situations, but the punished by one's parents for lying to them. Kids need to associate a certain action with painful punishment so that they don't make it a habit. Because, the consequences for lying the adult world are far, far more painful and damaging than a 2-3 minute spanking. It would be better to stop something before it becomes a habit, than to let your child descend into a self-destructive lifestyle in adulthood. I don't think anyone is advocating spanking without moral instruction to accompany it. But it does work and it would work if more kids were disciplined that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 If you're spanking a kid for 2-3 minutes... that's abuse and you should be in jail. Count it out in your head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 23, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,180 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,458 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, Teditis said: If you're spanking a kid for 2-3 minutes... that's abuse and you should be in jail. Count it out in your head... So God Who makes an eternal punishment then considered to be so? The least and the greatest must agree in the boundless... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, enoob57 said: So God Who makes and eternal punishment then considered to be so? The least and the greatest must agree in the boundless... Love, Steven 2-3 minutes of "spanking" is a lot of hitting going on, Enoob. That's just not normal. "Spanking" is part of a process of correction that should have as it's intent to bring the child into both carnal and spiritual obedience. Hell is something altogether different. Edited September 23, 2016 by Teditis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 23, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,180 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,458 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Hell is punishment for wrong activity (rebellion to God)... it is the farthest of our sight and spanking is one of the ways God has instructed us to turn the heart (in fear) back to Himself of the child... your determining the time factor of abuse must be held in reason with this scenario. The wisdom says 'spareth the rod' ... I have seen corporeal punishment where a light slap would throw the child into a rage and further tantrums! This discipline did not accommodate the purpose of the rod. When the will of the child is broken by the pain of the punishment, time is not the factor, but the objective purpose of the discipline has been accomplished, according to The Word of The Lord, when the willful rebellion of the heart has been placed into check by the fear of the consequence taught by the pain itself... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted September 23, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,849 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 2,013 Days Won: 24 Joined: 07/08/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/15/1996 Share Posted September 23, 2016 In any other circumstance it would be entirely unacceptable to hit or hurt someone just because they fail to conform to your standard. If you wouldn't hit the guy working for you why would you hit your kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 23, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,180 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,458 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, Logan said: In any other circumstance it would be entirely unacceptable to hit or hurt someone just because they fail to conform to your standard. If you wouldn't hit the guy working for you why would you hit your kid? What do you think the law was? Do this and you will be killed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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