heretoeternity Posted February 5, 2017 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 480 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2017 Why do you assume they don't? If one is knowledgeable of the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, and compares it to the teachings/preachings from the pulpit the answer will come clear to you...go for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, heretoeternity said: Why do you assume they don't? If one is knowledgeable of the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, and compares it to the teachings/preachings from the pulpit the answer will come clear to you...go for it! sigh, This is becoming pretty pointless, going in circles. I hope you have a wonderful week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 5, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, JaniceR said: sigh, This is becoming pretty pointless, going in circles. I hope you have a wonderful week. This is common on internet forums - whistleblowers like the Apostles, Martin Luther, Keith Green, David Wilkerson, and even at times Corrie ten Boom (yes, even her) are not welcome by many, and so the threads and posts and news stories are removed/deleted, and sometimes banned. Searching online for yourself who has been acting, living and preaching sermons or lessons that are directly contrary to the BIBLE is not difficult. Just don't try to post the results here - it often disappears, especially when the heretic is popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible2 Posted February 5, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 642 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 405 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2017 Regarding "This Sunday law will be in conjunction with the re-establishment of the Roman Papacy as a world dictatorial superpower", is this referring to the SDA idea that the "mark of the beast" (the Antichrist) will be required Sunday worship? ----- If so, note that Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, do not have to keep the sabbath of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For even the letter of the ten commandments written and engraven in stones (2 Corinthians 3:7, Deuteronomy 4:13) was part of the abolished Old Covenant Mosaic law's ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:6-7, Exodus 31:15b), which has been replaced by the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) ministration of the spirit (2 Corinthians 3:6-18), in which believers are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, and keep the spirit (Romans 7:6) of all the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments by loving others (Romans 13:8-10). ---------- Saying that Christians have to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath is just as mistaken as saying that Christians have to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law circumcision (Acts 15:1-11). If Christians keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath thinking that they have to because it is part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, then they are as fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4) as Christians who keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law circumcision thinking that they have to because it is part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 5:2). They have become debtors to perform the letter of the entire Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 5:3). They have placed themselves under its curse (Galatians 3:10, Deuteronomy 27:26). ---------- So no Christian should ever desire to go back into bondage under the letter of any part of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8). Christians need to keep the sabbath only in spirit, not in the letter (Romans 7:6). Christians must never judge other believers for not keeping the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath (Colossians 2:16), which letter was abolished on the New Covenant Cross of Jesus along with all the rest of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Colossians 2:14-17, Ephesians 2:15-16, Romans 7:6, Hebrews 7:18-19, Hebrews 10:9b, Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28). ---------- For its letter was merely a shadow; now it all comes down to Jesus himself (Colossians 2:17). Jesus' New Covenant sabbath rest (Matthew 11:28-30), which all Christians enter by faith (Hebrews 4:3-4), exceeds in righteousness (cf. Matthew 5:20) the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath. For under the New Covenant sabbath, Christians must cease from their own works, as in those done apart from abiding in Jesus (John 15:4-5), every day of the week (Hebrews 4:3,10, Luke 9:23). And they can esteem every day of the week (Romans 14:5). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible2 Posted February 5, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 642 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 405 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2017 Also, Christians should be worshipping God every day of the week (Hebrews 13:15, cf. Psalms 145:2). And they should be meeting together every day of the week (Hebrews 3:13, Hebrews 10:25), at least in some fashion (Matthew 18:20), such as on this forum. The early church started assembling together on the Lord's day (commonly called Sunday) instead of on the sabbath (commonly called Saturday) because the Lord's day, the first day of the week, was the day on which Jesus physically resurrected (Mark 16:9) from the dead: "no longer observing the sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him" (Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians, chapter 9. Ignatius was a contemporary of John the apostle. Compare John's reference to "the Lord's day" in Revelation 1:10). ---------- But it is not a requirement for Christians to assemble together only on the Lord's day, or to esteem the Lord's day above every other day of the week. It is also okay for Christians to choose to assemble together on the sabbath, because they esteem the sabbath above every other day of the week. It is also okay for Christians to esteem every day of the week. Christians are never to judge each other over this matter, but are simply to do what they believe that Jesus wants them as individuals to do (Romans 14:4-13). So the point is not for Christians to esteem days, but to focus on the person of Jesus himself (Colossians 2:16-17). ---------- Also, how do those who think that they must keep the letter of the Old Covenant sabbath, keep the letter of the sabbath of Leviticus 25? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretoeternity Posted February 5, 2017 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 480 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2017 You have to learn to separate the Mosaic law/Law of Moses from God's law, the ten commandments... The Mosaic law, the 600+ sacrificial, circumcision, food, festival etc laws were written by Moses hand. They expired as per Acts 15 with the exception of the four mentioned. God's law, the ten commandments which God Himself wrote on the stone tablets, will endure forever. You may note the Sabbath commandment is the fourth of these commandments. Jesus said in Matthew 5 Heaven and earth will pass away, not one thing will be changed in the law until all is fulfilled, obviously referring to His second coming. The 7th day Sabbath was created as the 7th day of creation week by God, in which He rested, blessed the day and made it Holy..it remains the only Holy day in the Bible..he specifically place it in the ten commandments Exodus 20. Apostle John said in 1st John 2..those who say they know Him and keep not His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them..and in 1st John 5, he says this is the love of God that we keep His commandments, and they are not burdensome. Jesus said in Matthew 19.17 to enter into life keep the commandments, and He goes on to identify the ten commandments...and in John 14.15 "if you love me keep my commandments".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretoeternity Posted February 5, 2017 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 480 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2017 Jesus in Mark 2.28 He is lord of the Sabbath, the seventh day sabbath is therefore the Lord's day, not the first day of the week, which has NO Biblical authority. Romans 14, you mention is pertaining to the Mosaic law, which is gone in Acts 15...if you read the whole chapter you will find it starts out talking about clean and unclean foods, and ends up on esteeming days, which are days to be keep under the law of Moses. Colossians 2, same thing, read the whole chapter Paul is talking about the law of Moses, and refers to moons etc, and annual sabbaths (the first day of unleavened bread which is an annual sabbath after the passover)... God's Holy 7th day Sabbath has nothing to do with moons or seasons it is weekly year around. Hope this helps you learn the truth and it will make you free...Jesus said in John 8.32.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 7 hours ago, heretoeternity said: Why do you assume they don't? If one is knowledgeable of the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, and compares it to the teachings/preachings from the pulpit the answer will come clear to you...go for it! In other words, you don't really have any Scriptures that names false prophets, like you claim existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 11 hours ago, brakelite said: In the early 4th century Constantine the Great, claiming a personal Christian faith, became Emperor of the western Roman Empire. After the previous Emperor Galerius had declared persecution to cease, Constantine officially restoring rights and privileges to Christians, promoting Christians to public office, and favoring the church with legislation in their favor, exemptions from taxes in some cases, turned the whole Christian landscape on its head, yet was the catalyst for the establishment of the greatest apostasy in Christian history, the RCC. Today, we have a new emperor on the throne of western civilization, Donald Trump. He also has turned the tide of anti-Christian political leanings into a positive favortism, promising to restore the rights of free speech, re-establish Christian privileges which of recent times been eroded away by political correctness and liberalism, Trump and Constantine seem to be sharing a number of parallels. Constantine's Edict of Milan was particularly interesting, restoring officially religious freedom, even to returning property previously confiscated. Constantine also ordered the publication of Bibles, and officially established Sunday as a day of rest, closing businesses and shutting down commerce, except for agricultural work. I can imagine how joyous the church must have been at these announcements, except among the more discerning. Many however would have been openly celebrating Constantine's rise to power, and thanking God for His great mercies in sending the church such a wonderful savior. Does this remind you of anything happening today? For over 120 years the Seventh Day Adventist church has been teaching that before the second coming, a Sunday law will be established in America and the world, directly undermining God's 4th commandment. This Sunday law will be in conjunction with the re-establishment of the Roman Papacy as a world dictatorial superpower, with its Pope at its head. Trump has sworn to tear up the Johnson Amendment, which in the 1950s curtailed the preaching of politics from the pulpit, on pain of incurring tax penalties. Trump has promoted many professing Christians to his cabinet, the Catholic Mike Pence being the most prominent, but a council of advisors made up of many church leaders has been announced also. So while you Christians are celebrating that Trump is somehow God's man and the church's future secured due to his rising to power, think on the parallels, and what became of the church under Constantine's aegis. The separation of church and state disappeared. Roman Catholicism soon became the state religion, to the exclusion of all others. Paganism officially entered the church by way of Sunday, among other heresies....persecution ceased to be implemented by the state, but was then undertaken by the church...force was used to compel worship and submission to the Popes. All these things our church has been teaching for 120 years to be repeated but on a global scale. Far from leading the church into freedom, Trump has the potential for leading the church into its greatest apostasy. That is a lot garbage, and the SDA is a cult. It is not part of the authentic NT Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2017 14 hours ago, heretoeternity said: If you study your Bible, and the words of Jesus and the Apostles, and compare this to what is being preached/taught by the majority of the worlds religious leaders you will get the answser... I'm not going to dig up facts to support YOUR post, my friend. Who are these people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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