Running Gator Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: I doubt it. I am certainly not going to accept that just because you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruck1b Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 352 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, shiloh357 said: I am talking about advocating for laws that promote values that are commiserate with a free society and good candidates who will take our nation in the right direction. That does not compare at all with Sharia. Sorry, but your argument is just dead in the water. The church is not needed for that. You simply are attempting to draw a line where there is none. No church, no business, no organization has a RIGHT to be involved in government affairs. The government is supposed to be for the people by the people. Every individual citizen has the right advocate for laws concerning this country. You have provided not one piece of sound reasoning as to why churches need to be involved in anything related to politics especially if they are going to remain tax exempt. If a church wants to be political they need to pay taxes. Can't have it both ways. Edited February 16, 2017 by ruck1b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 33 minutes ago, ruck1b said: The church is not needed for that. It is not a matter of need. It is matter of them having the right to do it. Quote You simply are attempting to draw a line where there is none. No church, no business, no organization has a RIGHT to be involved in government affairs. Where is that in the Constitution? Quote The government is supposed to be for the people by the people. Every individual citizen has the right advocate for laws concerning this country. You have provided not one piece of sound reasoning as to why churches need to be involved in anything related to politics especially if they are going to remain tax exempt. It is granted to people, both corporately and individually. You are drawing a false dichotomy. The churches were tax exempt long before the Johnson Amendment was passed. So churches speaking out on political issues has nothing to do with their tax exempt status. Quote If a church wants to be political they need to pay taxes. Can't have it both ways. They had it both ways for generations, until the 1960s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 On 2/14/2017 at 6:54 AM, Out of the Shadows said: It is threads like this that make some people label folks as Trump followers vice Trump supporters. And, what has Trump done to slow or reverse the homosexual agenda and other forms of aberrant behavior? Yes, I have been aware of that since the campaign. When he first announced his candidacy everyone thought it was a joke. But then they got serious.....too serious. Following too close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruck1b Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 352 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: It is not a matter of need. It is matter of them having the right to do it. Where is that in the Constitution? It is granted to people, both corporately and individually. You are drawing a false dichotomy. The churches were tax exempt long before the Johnson Amendment was passed. So churches speaking out on political issues has nothing to do with their tax exempt status. They had it both ways for generations, until the 1960s. There is not such right for anyone other than an individual to be involved in politics. That is why its so convoluted now. Also save that constitution nonsense. There is nothing in the constitution that gives anything other than individual citizens rights when it comes to politics. Individuals make up the population corporately. Can a church vote? No...why? Can a business vote? No...why? Because they have not right to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 Just now, Davida said: I agree Ezra, I just see things going into seditious acts and the division in this world is going to become more defined. Like the Bible says, there are two kingdoms and they are at war. What we are seeing more and more is evidence of this war in the physical. Since the world began there were those who served God's purposes and those who served Satan's. Like Jan Markell of www.olivetreeviews.org says on her radio show, 'Understanding the Times radio says , things are not falling apart but they are falling into place in the fulfillment of Bible prophecy. This might come as a shock, but America is not part of God's kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruck1b Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 352 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said: This might come as a shock, but America is not part of God's kingdom. What!!!! This comes as an absolute shock to me. Take it back...take it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said: This might come as a shock, but America is not part of God's kingdom. That was not what was being said. The Kingdom of God (the Kingdom of Light) and the kingdom of Satan (the kingdom of darkness) are at war, and the anarchy and sedition within America are a manifestation of the attacks from the kingdom of darkness. Every sin and evil was promoted by Obama, Clinton and their Democrats, and every attempt at righteousness and morality was opposed. What was Obama's greatest accomplishment? LGBT bathrooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 27 minutes ago, ruck1b said: There is not such right for anyone other than an individual to be involved in politics. Organizations like labor unions are involved in politics. So are teachers' unions. The ACLU and the NAACP are involved in politics. So yes, corporate entities can be involved in and speak on political issues that effect them. The Church of Jesus Christ is the greatest force for good the world has ever had. It would seem the one group that Christians would want having a say in how our country is run would be the Church. Quote That is why its so convoluted now. Also save that constitution nonsense. The Constitution isn't nonsense. You cannot support your views with it, obviously. Quote There is nothing in the constitution that gives anything other than individual citizens rights when it comes to politics. I have proven that corporate organizations are regularly involved, so that part of your argument is shown to be false. The Constitution does not explicitly or implicitly state that only individuals can have the right to speak out on political issues or campaigns. Quote Individuals make up the population corporately. Can a church vote? No...why? Can a business vote? No...why? Because they have not right to it. Not talking about churches voting. But they have a say in what happens, especially when I affects biblical values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruck1b Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 352 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, shiloh357 said: Organizations like labor unions are involved in politics. So are teachers' unions. The ACLU and the NAACP are involved in politics. So yes, corporate entities can be involved in and speak on political issues that effect them. The Church of Jesus Christ is the greatest force for good the world has ever had. It would seem the one group that Christians would want having a say in how our country is run would be the Church. The Constitution isn't nonsense. You cannot support your views with it, obviously. I have proven that corporate organizations are regularly involved, so that part of your argument is shown to be false. The Constitution does not explicitly or implicitly state that only individuals can have the right to speak out on political issues or campaigns. Not talking about churches voting. But they have a say in what happens, especially when I affects biblical values. I see that you are not actually reading. No, your attempt to use the constitution to support your brittle claim is nonsense. Also, I stated that they should not be involved and they have no right to be involved. Only individual citizens have that right. Churches do not fall in that category. If churches can't vote why should they be able to impact laws. That goes for any business or any other entity that is not an individual citizen. Maybe you should go back and re read what I actually said before addressing my comments with faulty counter arguments. Edited February 17, 2017 by ruck1b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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