Danger Noodle Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 573 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/27/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: How you doin' with the bold u/l words? E.G. to follow Jesus is to obey His commandments. Imagine that. To know Jesus is to be in relationship with the Spirit of truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 18 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said: Rom 8:38-39 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Here we go again, folks ... Jesus loves all of His created beings, butski most of 'em aren't going to heaven. If that's not okay with you, please complain to Him ... not to me or anyone else, okay? Hope a double okay is not as bad as a double negative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 How is depending on the finished work of the cross earning salvation. It's already finished. Please explain. You add the works of believing and confessing with your mouth. So, since it is a "finished salvation" as you argue, why even worry about anything, for you are saved by fate, not by grace. If one has to believe to be saved, it is not finished. You say that this is Legalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: Jesus loves all of His created beings, butski most of 'em aren't going to heaven. Writing to Christians, Jude says, "Keep yourselves in the love of God." Jude 21 I guess that we can rip Jude out of our Bibles now because he does not agree with our theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Good works are the fruit of Salvation, not the means of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jeff2 said: Eternal Security is nowhere in the Bible. But, there certainly are some NT verses which easily can lead one astray into believing in OSAS. IMO, it's up to the most precious Holy Spirit to reveal spiritual Truth to those who are OPEN and ready to receive it. The WARNINGS are interspersed amongst all of the many edifications, exhortations, encouragements, etc. ... so as to be NOT so obvious that they might discourage the new baby believers who are slurping milk. Some believers NEED the bold more than a bunch of dire warnings (at some point in time in their lives). Edited April 12, 2017 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, ZacharyB said: Jesus loves all of His created beings, butski most of 'em aren't going to heaven. Actually, no. Nonbelievers are considered enemies of God, and believers in Christ only obtain agape love in Rom 8:38-39. Rom 5:10 For if, while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Rom 8:38-39 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love (agape) of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, Phl 3:18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 Quote On 4/10/2017 at 7:23 PM, kwikphilly said: Thats it Bro Zach........IF.....biggest & loudest Word in the entire Bible With love-in Christ,Kwik Thanks for your support, Kwikster girl. Yes, there are many IF's in the NT. Hey Zach Bro.......they are always going to insist you are talking about a works based Faith or Salvation...I will never understand why that is.....sorry Zach IF IF IF IF......unfortunately so many are indocrtinated with ...."If you believe Jesus is Savior of the world etc... & repeat after me "The Sinners Prayer" The demons believe WHO HE is & know better than any of em,they were there & saw Jesus crucified,die & RISE on the 3rd day..... IF IF IF........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, kwikphilly said: Hey Zach Bro.......they are always going to insist you are talking about a works based Faith or Salvation...I will never understand why that is.....sorry Zach Because if the conditional passages are true, their house of theological cards come crashing down. They may have to contend with something that convicts them. Secondly, many have confused Eternal Security with the Gospel. By falsely equating it to the Gospel, it strokes their ego that to disagree with them, renders one to be lost. They cannot defend the false doctrine they teach, so the next easiest thing is to try to attack the person instead of making a rational defense of what they believe. It's easier to raise dust than to answer an argument! Edited April 12, 2017 by Jeff2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, Jeff2 said: How is depending on the finished work of the cross earning salvation. It's already finished. Please explain. You add the works of believing and confessing with your mouth. So, since it is a "finished salvation" as you argue, why even worry about anything, for you are saved by fate, not by grace. If one has to believe to be saved, it is not finished. You say that this is Legalism. Believing and confessing is of faith, not works Jeff. Ok, so you are confessing to us that you are a nonbeliever who denies Rom 10:9. I just wanted to confirm before we go any further. I would like to tell you that Jesus loves you, and He died on the cross and paid the penalty for your sins. Rom 10:9 is the only way to become saved. Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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