Swords99 Posted July 10, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 171 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: The Bible is the Christian's final authority on all matters of Christian faith and practice, period. Amen! The early Christian church had no creed but the Holy Scriptures. The Word and the Spirit was (is) the head of the church, not man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted July 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted July 10, 2017 28 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: The Bible is the Christian's final authority on all matters of Christian faith and practice, period. Isn't that what I just posted, or are you trying to agree with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted July 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted July 10, 2017 24 minutes ago, Swords99 said: Amen! The early Christian church had no creed but the Holy Scriptures.... No Apostles' or Nicene Creed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords99 Posted July 10, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 171 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said: No Apostles' or Nicene Creed? There was no Nicene creed for the first 3 centuries. The so called apostles creed was not written by the apostles. Nor is it found in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudgenik Posted July 10, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 616 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 155 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2017 4 hours ago, shiloh357 said: It is not a sin to be tempted to sin. It is what you do with the desire that arises from that temptation. The problem arises when we see sinful desires as non-sinful. Jesus taught that sin begins in the heart, that it is not enough to simply not commit the act; there should be nothing in our hearts to prompt us to sin in the first place. When it is taught that homosexual attraction/desire is not sinful, that only acting on those desires is sinful, then we have a teaching that goes against Scripture. Temptation incites sinful desires. What separates Christians from everyone else is not the absence of temptation and sinful desires, but our response to them. Sin is not only something of an action of a physical nature, sin is also caused by dwelling on a thought. Dwelling on that temptation, or called lusting over it. A number of Commandments are broken this way including the 1st. "Have no strange God's before me." When a person lusts over something that person, at least for the moment, is putting the thing or person before God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudgenik Posted July 10, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 616 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 155 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said: No Apostles' or Nicene Creed? Guys let's get back to topic. There is no point arguing over this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudgenik Posted July 10, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 616 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 155 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Swords99 said: There was no Nicene creed for the first 3 centuries. The so called apostles creed was not written by the apostles. Nor is it found in the Bible. I know I'm budding my nose in. But start a post on this. Let's get back on topic. This gay stuff is way more important than church politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords99 Posted July 10, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 171 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Pudgenik said: I know I'm budding my nose in. But start a post on this. Let's get back on topic. This gay stuff is way more important than church politics. Ask any gay person and they will tell you they were born this way. So what does that say? It is sin? A mental illness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Pudgenik said: Sin is not only something of an action of a physical nature, sin is also caused by dwelling on a thought. Dwelling on that temptation, or called lusting over it. A number of Commandments are broken this way including the 1st. "Have no strange God's before me." When a person lusts over something that person, at least for the moment, is putting the thing or person before God. Yes, exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudgenik Posted July 10, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 616 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 155 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Swords99 said: Ask any gay person and they will tell you they were born this way. So what does that say? It is sin? A mental illness? If you like doing what you want, and it is against God's teaching. I'm sure there will be all sorts of stories. Think of a child that steels. Parents ask where did you get this. If the child is not remorseful, lies upon lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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