Two very simple questions

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, Psalms37:4 said:

Israel's next war is not Armageddon. We're not even in the tribulation yet. In fact, Israel isn't even involved in Armageddon. But when the tribulation starts, you'll know. Everyone on earth will know. An event will happen that cause all on earth to know the tribulation started, even atheists will come to know. And it's not the signing of the peace treaty that starts the tribulation. That's just someone's misinterpretation of Daniel 9:27 when he read "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week" and thought to himself oh the tribulation starts with the signing of the peace treaty. Somehow this idea caught on fire and spread like wildfire. The bible refutes that idea showing us 3 different scriptures that reveals what actually will start the tribulation. I was gonna show you one of them but you already had your mind made up.

Israel's next and final war before the tribulation is found in Psalm 118 and Isaiah 26. Israel will win the war with help from the US and expand her borders. This is one of the many good news ahead. And of course, the peace treaty will come.

The other thing everyone else has been telling you about when the 144,000 are seal. They're correct, it's before. Part of knowing comes from understanding Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:12-13.

 

All the articles below are fairly recent dating back within a few months.

The Next Middle East War

Israel and Iran are heading for conflict over southern Syria.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-next-middle-east-war-1504826567

 

Israel Is Going to War in Syria to Fight Iran

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/28/israel-is-going-to-war-in-syria-to-fight-iran/

 

Iran Is Ready To Attack Israel

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/majid-rafizadeh/iran-is-ready-to-attack-i_b_11382198.html

 

Netanyahu pushes law making it easier to declare war

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/08/israel-netanyahu-amendment-security-cabinet-government-war.html#ixzz4xvAmpjvQ

 

Hezbollah says Israel pushing region to war

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-hezbollah-israel/hezbollah-says-israel-pushing-region-to-war-idUSKCN1C6136

 

Iran and Israel are poised for war — in Syria

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/347748-iran-and-israel-are-poised-for-war-in-syria

 

The Coming Confrontation Between Israel and Iran

https://www.cfr.org/blog/coming-confrontation-between-israel-and-iran-1

 

 

 

 

You think Israel has nothing to do with armegedon.Lol

Armageddon is located in Israel.

[Shilohsfoal]

36 minutes ago, inchrist said:

The heavnely hosts consists of more than just planets, im referring to comets/ asteroids ......are they not stars to ancient middle easterners?

Planet doesn't rise against planet

It's nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom that causes the devastation.

http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-7.htm

[Shilohsfoal]

3 hours ago, inchrist said:

Nothing in Matthew 24:29 gives any hint to take stars or heaven shaken to be  figurative

Further there is no single use of star being used figuratively for man made weapons in scripture 

Do you believe Jesus should have said nuclear missiles if thsts what they are?

Instead the nuke is reffered to as the abomination that causes desolation and yes ,it's man made.

Edited November 9, 2017 by Shilohsfoal

[simplejeff]

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6 hours ago, Psalms37:4 said:

And how does that show Matthew 24:29 is about comets?

hmmmm........   doesn't.....

footnotes:

Genesis 37:9

He had another dream which he told his brothers: “Here, I had another dream, and there were the sun, the moon and eleven stars prostrating themselves before me.”

 

PHILLIPS
“Immediately after the misery of those days ‘the sun will be darkened, the moon will fail to give her light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of heaven will be shaken’. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and

 

all the nations of the earth will wring their hands as they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky in power and great splendour. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet-call and they will gather his chosen from the four winds—from one end of the heavens to the other.

[simplejeff]

14 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Is that a nuclear cloud Christ comes on?

Silly!  Of course not!   Those tiny things !  They are NOTHING compared to when Christ Returns ! 

shucks,  they're not even a gnat next to anything of Christ !

[simplejeff]

5 hours ago, inchrist said:

are they not stars to ancient middle easterners?

Maybe not in Scripture:   (did not research this yet, except this one simple search for "comet")

I think though,  that Yahweh knows the difference between star and comet,  right ?

And His Word is His Word Breathed through men He called and chose and appointed as HE HIMSELF GUARDS HIS WORD.

Numbers 24:17 - Bible Gateway

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Numbers 24%3A17

A king, like a bright star, will arise in that nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab And beat down all the people of Seth.

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, inchrist said:

Again guys, I can either have scripture interpret the meaning of the word star or we can import our own idea's into the meaning of star.

Since no one can actually provide scripture where stars are ever referred to man made weapons, and we have an endless amount of scriptures of stars referring to planets and comets then the sound exegesis ground is to stick with scriptures use of the word stars to refer to comets.

Further if we examine matthew 24 everything is taken literally

Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. (This is not figurative is it?)

 

 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. ( not figurative)

 

6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. ( its literal)

Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. ( literal)

 

There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains (literal)

 

Then all of a sudden when we get to matthew 24:29 we must take it figuratively? because psalm 37:4 and yourself say so, with no justification and no scriptural support for stars ever referring to man made weapons?

We need to be careful here, what evidence do you have we are not to take stars literal but figurative to mean nukes?

Are you imposing your thoughts into scripture or does star mean nukes? Where is the evidence? 

Just saying they are nukes is not good enough, surely if christ meant man made weapons, he would of said human weapons falling from the sky, surely such vocabulary was available?

 

 

No.There was no such word as nuclear missiles.I just told you that.Its called the abomination that causes desolation in scripture.

It's describes in,revelation as an earthquake, the sky becoming black and the sky departing from,earth as a scroll being rolled together.I think John did a great job of describing it.At least I can understand it.

[Keras]

10 hours ago, Psalms37:4 said:

Keras,

Psalm 11 doesn't say anything about this happening during the coming tribulation. Also this, when Christ comes to judge the world, He does it on earth, not from heaven at His throne. This is not the tribulation.

No, because it and the 100 other prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, happen at the Sixth Seal. Which is the next prophesied event we can expect. 

Your disbelief of coming dramatic and earth shattering events, shows  complacency and a rejection of what all the prophets have told us about how God will correct the world situation, that is once again; as in the days of Noah. 2 Peter 3:1-7 fits your attitude very well. 

[Keras]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No.There was no such word as nuclear missiles.I just told you that.Its called the abomination that causes desolation in scripture.

But there is a large  'barrel' that can 'fly over the land and wipe out every thief and perjurer in the Land', and the contents of it are kept in by a lead cover. Zechariah 5:1-11

This neatly describes a nuclear missile. Set in the land of Shinar, part of Southwestern Iran. 

Regarding the stars falling like ripe figs.... Revelation 6:13. I see then as the hundreds  [thousands] of satellites being pushed down to crash on earth by the pressure wave of the massive CME the Lord will use to literally fulfil all the graphically described prophesies about His terrible Day of wrath. 

Edited November 9, 2017 by Keras

[Psalms37:4]

 

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Your disbelief of coming dramatic and earth shattering events, shows  complacency and a rejection of what all the prophets have told us about how God will correct the world situation, that is once again; as in the days of Noah. 2 Peter 3:1-7 fits your attitude very well. 

No Keras, it's because of the bible that I refuse to accept your crazy idea of a global apocalyptic CME during the 6th seal. Your crazy idea is just not biblical. I reject it even more whenever you throw out scriptures telling others it's supported in the bible when they don't.