Two very simple questions

[coheir]

11 minutes ago, Keras said:

What then, would you call - The fourth angel poured out his Bowl on the sun and it burned people with it flames. Revelation 16:8

But this CME that will happen during the Great Tribulation, is not the bigger one which the Lord will use on His Day of wrath, the next prophesied event. 

You Daniel 11, promote the huge fraud of the rapture to heaven, a theory with no scriptural support and is debunked by Jesus Himself. John 3:13

 

Coheir; the moon will shine as bright as the sun, Isaiah 30:26, as it reflects the 7 times brighter flash of the sun, but as the superheated hydrogen plasma of the CME ejecta strikes the moon, the thermite reaction with the Oxides that comprise moon dust, will burn bright red. Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20

All of our electric generating and distribution systems will fail from overload as the EMP strikes. This powerful pulse will send extreme voltage along every conductor; power and telephone wires, fences, pipes, cables, etc, causing destruction and havoc.   Look up; ecology.com/ earths greatest threat- the sun and its CME's

 

 

thanks for the extra verses, now extreme voltage would melt the wire before it can travel the complete path, seems to me.

[Keras]

4 hours ago, coheir said:

thanks for the extra verses, now extreme voltage would melt the wire before it can travel the complete path, seems to me.

Probably. Whatever, we would be without electricity for a loooong time. 

If some people choose to reject the truth of the Prophetic Word, that is up to them.  But for those who accept what the prophets have so comprehensively told us will happen, then they will be ready, physically and spiritually for all that God has planned for these latter days.  

[Psalms37:4]

12 hours ago, Keras said:

Here y'are:

The fire is alight, nothing will stop it coming to earth      2 Esdras 16:15 [Bible Apocrypha]

The following 116 Bible verses describe the literal effects of the Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude, that the Lord will use to carry out His prophesied Day of vengeance and wrath, the Sixth Seal event, against His enemies, the godless peoples and nations that attack the State of Israel. It will strike earth at midday, Zephaniah 2:4 and virtually depopulate the entire Middle East. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:18  The whole world will be severely affected; mass deaths, loss of all electric systems, no law and order, etc. 

 

1/ LIGHT -The initial light flash arrives from the sun within 8 minutes.

Isaiah 30:26a The sun will shine with seven times its normal strength, like seven days in one. The flash of a CME explosion on the suns surface of an unprecedented magnitude, directed toward earth, consisting of the entire spectrum of light waves to microwaves. The Electro Magnetic Pulse of this will cause armed nuke missiles to explode. Amos 3:4

 

Isaiah 30:26a & Rev 6:12b The moon will shine blood red, as brightly as the sun.  This will be the thermite reaction of superheated hydrogen and the lunar regolith. [moon dust]

Psalms 50:1-3 God has spoken…from the rising of the sun to its setting…consuming fire rages….

Habakkuk 3:3-4 His brightness is like the dawn, His radiance covers the sky.

Psalms 144:6 Send lightning bolts to scatter Your enemies.

Psalms 18:14 He hurled lightning shafts far and wide.

Ezekiel 21:10 My deadly sword is sharpened, it will flash like lightning for the slaughter.

 

2/ HEAT – Seven times hotter, ambient temperature say, 15c X 7 = could be 120c, 250f

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace.

Psalms 18:8 Smoke and fire come from the Lord, with glowing coals and searing heat.

Isaiah 64:1-2 When You tear apart the sky, fires blaze and water boils.

Jeremiah 17:8...when the heat comes, trust in the Lord for protection.

Jeremiah 6:29 The fiery bellows of judgement burn fiercely to refine My people.

Isaiah 25:4 You give refuge to the poor and needy, shelter from the tempest and shade from the heat.

 

3/ DARKNESS – Caused by the sun being obscured by the approaching ejected mass.

Isaiah 50:3 I can clothe the sky in darkness, cover it with sackcloth.

Amos 5:20 The Day of the Lord is indeed a Day of deep darkness.

Isaiah 13:10 The sun, moon and stars will give no light.

Ezekiel 32:7-8 I will veil the sky with clouds and bring darkness over the land.

Zephaniah 1:15 The Day of the Lord’s anger will be a Day of destruction, of darkness and gloom.

Amos 8:9 On that Day, the sun will darken at noon. [after the initial flash]

Revelation 6:12...the sun turned black as a funeral pall and the whole moon blood red.

Psalms 18:11 He made thick darkness His covering, dense vapour His canopy.

Jeremiah 4:23 The earth was in chaos and the sky was in darkness.

 

4/ FIRE – 24 hours after the initial flash the main mass of superheated cosmic particles envelopes the earth.

Zephaniah 3:8…the whole earth will be affected by the fire of My anger.

Isaiah 66:15 The Lord is coming in fire like a whirlwind with the flaming fire of His rebuke.

Luke 3:16 He will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire, the chaff will burn forever.

Ezekiel 20:47 I am about to light a fire, its fiery flame cannot be put out.

1 Corinthians 3:13...for that Day dawns in fire and fire will test every persons worth.

Psalm 21:9 The anger of the Lord will engulf His enemies in a fiery furnace and consume them.

Hebrews 10:27 For the godless, there is only the terrifying expectation of a fierce fire that will consume God’s enemies.

2 Peter 3:10 On that Day the earth will be enveloped in flames and all that is in it will be brought to judgement.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 ..when the Lord Jesus comes forth with His mighty host in blazing fire, he will punish all the godless and apostate people.

Psalms 97:2-5 Cloud enfolds Him, fire goes ahead and consumes His enemies.

Isaiah 4:4b The Lord will cleanse Jerusalem, with His judgement burning like fire.

Isaiah 33:12 The nations will be burned to ashes, like thorn bushes set on fire.

Ezekiel 30:16 I shall set Egypt on fire. Amos 1:1-15 Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan burned.

 

5/ EARTHQUAKES – The electromagnetic microwave effect will cause volcanoes & earthquakes.

Haggai 2:6 In a little while, I shall shake the sky, the earth and break the power of the godless.

Psalms 144:5 Lord, part the sky and come down, touch the mountains, so they pour forth smoke.

Isaiah 24:18-19 ..the windows of the sky above are opened, the earths foundations shake, it is convulsed and reels wildly.

Amos 8:8-9 On that day the earth will quake like ocean waves.

Revelation 6:12-14 There was a violent earthquake...every mountain and island was moved.

Psalms 18:7 The earth shook and quaked, the mountains trembled because of His anger.

Jeremiah 4:24 The mountains were reeling and the hills rocked to and fro.

Habakkuk 3:6 The Lord shakes the earth, the mountains are flattened.

 

6/ EARTH MOVED–The earth’s orbit may be speeded up by this event, resulting in a 360 day year, that will make reality out the time periods given to us in Revelation and Daniel.

Isaiah 13:13...and the earth will be moved out of her place.

 

7/ COSMC PARTICLES – This CME will hit with a great pressure wave. Previous CME’s have pushed satellites into lower orbits, this one will make them crash back to earth. This cannot refer to real stars, as the nearest one is 4¼ light years away and they are of enormous size.

Isaiah 28:2 The Lord will beat down violently upon the earth, as a destroying tempest.

Revelation 6:13 The starry host will fall to the earth, like fruit blown of a tree in a gale.

Isaiah 34:4 The host of the heavens will fall like ripe fruit.

Jeremiah 6:25 Do not go outside, for the sword of the Lord spreads terror all around.

 

8/ ELECTRICAL EFFECTS – The supercharged particles will cause extreme voltage flow in all the electric power supply systems, telephone wires as well as fences and pipelines, etc.  Transformers and switchgear will be destroyed. Any appliances connected to the grid, even if switched off, will burn out. Most  telephone and radio communications will be out of action for a long time. Modern vehicles, aircraft and ships will be inoperable.

 

9/ SKY EFFECTS – The earth magnetosphere and atmosphere are badly affected. This may cause a pole shift and huge storms will encircle the globe.

Isaiah 13:13 I shall make the heavens shudder...on the day of the Lord’s blazing anger.

Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke.

2 Peter 3:10 ...the heavens will disappear with a great rushing sound.

Revelation 6:14 The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up.

Isaiah 34:4 The sky will crumble into nothing and will be rolled up like a scroll.

Psalms 83:15 Pursue Your enemies with Your tempest, terrify them with Your storm winds.

Jeremiah 30:23See what a scorching wind goes out, it rages down upon the heads of the wicked.

Jeremiah 4:11 & 20 A scorching wind will sweep down upon My people, the whole Land is ruined.

 

10/ A GREAT NOISE – The CME strike will be heard all around the earth.

Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, the great noise reaches the ends of the earth, for He judges the nations and has handed over the wicked for destruction.

Isaiah 29:6 Judgement will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes, loud noise and consuming flames of fire.

Jeremiah 51:54-55 The Lord is ready to destroy the godless nations, the advancing wave booms and roars as it despoils them.

 

11/ DEATHS WORLDWIDE – Many millions will die, but for those who stay in shelter, it will be survivable, it is only a one day event. More will die from fighting and famine afterward.

Deuteronomy 32:41 When I set My hand to judgement, My sword will devour flesh.

Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise and storm with rage, destruction is decreed upon the earth.

Isaiah 66:16 He will judge with fire, many will be slain by Him.

Isaiah 34:5 For My sword is prepared, it descends in judgement on those doomed for death.

Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke and the people will die like flies.

Jeremiah 25:33 Those that the Lord kills on that Day will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or buried, they will be as dung on the ground.

Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the nations, His garments splashed with blood, His Day of vengeance had come and He tramped on them and spilled out their blood.

Psalm 37:20 Evil people will die, they will be incinerated and go up in smoke.

Isaiah 13:12 Humans will become scarce, more rare that fine gold.

Ezekiel 30:4-5 Egypt will suffer anguish...her slain will fall along with all the Arab lands.

Zephaniah 1:3 & 11 I shall destroy humans and animals, I shall bring the godless to their knees. Dire distress will come to sinful peoples, their blood and guts will spill on the ground.

Jeremiah 9:22 Corpses will lie like dung in the fields, with no one to gather them.

Ezekiel 21:3 My sword of judgement will kill both the righteous and wicked alike, from the Negev, Northward.

Jeremiah 11:16 Once you were My people, now with a great noise, you will be burned & consumed.

Isaiah 5:25 His anger is roused against His people and as He strikes them down the mountains shake. Their bodies lie like refuse in the streets.

Ezekiel 32:6 I shall drench the land with blood, the villages will be filled with it.

 

12/ THE LAND BURNED – The fireball will make forests and wooden houses catch fire, even concrete buildings mostly have tarred roofs, which will burn, as will tar sealed roads.

2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on, that Day will set the sky ablaze and will melt the elements in fervent heat.

Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.

Jeremiah 4:26 The fertile land becomes a wilderness before the fierce anger of the Lord.

Isaiah 42:15 I shall lay waste to all the land and dry up the rivers and lakes.

Ezekiel 15:8 I will make the land a waste because they have broken faith.

Joel 1:11 & 19-20 Despair you farmers for your harvest is lost, the ground is dry and scorched.  To You, Lord I cry out for fire has consumed the pastures and trees of the land.

Jeremiah 9:10-12 ......the land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain.   Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited. The Land is a dead place, burned and laid waste.

Isaiah 10:18-19 Suddenly, His trees and meadows will be destroyed, what remains will be so few that a child may count them.

 

13/ CITIES DESERTED – The fires and destruction will drive people out and there will be no power, water or communications, plus no food deliveries, survival must be out in the country.

Isaiah 17:9 On the Day of Retribution, cities will be deserted.

Isaiah 6:11-12 How long, Lord? Until the Land is desolate and cities are deserted, houses vacant.

Jeremiah 4:7 The Destroyer comes, cities will lay waste and empty.

Hosea 8:14 You have forgotten your Maker, I shall send fire to burn your cities.

Micah 5:10-11 On that Day, I will devastate your cities.

Jeremiah 9:21-22 Death has come to our towns, corpses lie like dung in the streets.

Jeremiah 4:26 Your Holy cities are ruined, Jerusalem is burned by fire, all that we treasured has been destroyed.

Isaiah 27:10 The fortified city is left solitary, stripped bare and forsaken like a wilderness.

 

14/ THE MILITARY DESTROYED – The powerful electromagnetic pulse will disable ships, tanks and aircraft. It will also cause explosive devices to either explode or be neutralized.

Jer. 50:22-23 The noise of battle is heard, see how the hammer of the whole world is broken.

Hosea 2:18 ...I shall break the bow and all weapons of war and sweep them off the earth.

Micah 5:5-11 On that Day, I will destroy your military fortifications.

Zephaniah 1:16 A Day of battle cries against the fortified cities and towns.

Isaiah 30:25b On the Day of massacre, when fortresses fall.

Amos 5:9 Destruction will flash forth onto the mighty, against their strongholds.

Jeremiah 50:27 Put all warriors to the sword, lead them to slaughter, for their time has come.

 

15/ AN UNEXPECTED EVENT – This sudden and shocking event, is not the Return of Jesus, as when the Anti Christ desecrates the new Temple, Jesus will come exactly 1260 days after that.

2 Peter 3:10 The great and terrible Day of the Lord will come like a thief, unexpectedly.

Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, in an instant, your enemies will be punished with earthquakes, storms and flames of devouring fire.

Isaiah 10:17-19 In 1 Day, the Lord will burn up His enemies, sudden as someone falling into a fit.

Jeremiah 6:26...for in an instant the Despoiler will be upon us.

 

16/ A ONE DAY EVENT – A CME strikes the earth at a speed of 3 to 5 million miles per hour. It causes terrible effects, but then continues on past, leaving us to recover.

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for the Day when I accuse the nations and pour out My burning anger upon the whole world.

Ezekiel 30:2-3 Alas for the Day, a day is near, the Day of the Lord is near, a Day of reckoning for the nations.

Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, a cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger.

Joel 1:15 The Day is near, it comes, a mighty destruction from the Lord.

Isaiah 2:20-21 On the Day the Lord will arise and strike the world with terror.

Zechariah 3:9 In a single Day, I will wipe away the guilt of this Land.

Isaiah 63:4-6 I resolved on a Day of vengeance, I shattered nations in My fury.                    

Joel 2:11 The Lord thunders as He leads the host, great and terrible is the Day, who can endure it.

Zephaniah 2:4-5 Land of the Philistines, at midday, I shall crush you and lay you in ruins, bereft of inhabitants.

Joel 2:30-31 On that great and terrible Day of the Lord, the sky and the earth will show blood, fire and smoke.  

 

17/ HIS PEOPLE – Joel 2:32 Then all who call on the Lord’s Name will be saved.

Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine 7 times stronger, on the Day the Lord saves and heals His people

Habakkuk 3:12-13 Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations. You go forth to save Your people.

Joel 3:16 The Lord roars from Zion, the heavens and the earth shudder but He is a refuge for His people and a defense for Israel.

Psalm 68:1-3 God springs into action! His enemies scatter like smoke, as wax melts before a fire, so the godless are destroyed before Him. The righteous are happy and praise God.

Isaiah 43:2 When you pass through rivers, they will not overwhelm you. Walk through fire and flames and not be burned or scorched. I am the Lord, your God and your Deliverer.

1 Peter 1:5 Because you put your faith in God, you are under the protection of His power until the salvation now in readiness is revealed at the end of time.

             Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.                 

 

Keras, these aren't scriptures of a CME. Many you gave are prophecies about fire. All other verses are irrelevant just by observation. And none reveals the occurrence during the 6th seal. 

When a CME strikes the earth, we don't get hit by fire. A direct hit from a strong CME creates a geomagnetic storm causing an electromagnetic induction disrupting earth's magnetosphere, at worst but seldom would cause satellite communication malfunctions, electrical grid lose from power surges in transformers and disruptions in GPS in cell phones, planes and automobiles. The effects are similar to what you've written below. A big but short inconvenience to our daily lives but no one dies from fire. 

 

8/ ELECTRICAL EFFECTS – The supercharged particles will cause extreme voltage flow in all the electric power supply systems, telephone wires as well as fences and pipelines, etc.  Transformers and switchgear will be destroyed. Any appliances connected to the grid, even if switched off, will burn out. Most  telephone and radio communications will be out of action for a long time. Modern vehicles, aircraft and ships will be inoperable.

 

This is what Jesus said about the tribulation ahead. Does your description on the effects of a CME sound remotely close to Jesus' description of the tribulation?

Matthew 24:21-22 New King James Version (NKJV)

²¹ For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. ²² And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

 

Q: If we know a CME is coming, what can we do about it? Turn off satellites so there's less of an electrical problem? Monitor power grids more closely when the CME hits, to reduce the chance of a massive failure like hit Hydro-Quebec on March 13, 1989?

A: You can turn off high voltages on your satellite, so it won't zap itself under the severe conditions when the plasma cloud hits it, then turn it back on when the danger passes. Several satellites do this during major meteor showers, for example.Better to lose a little data than lose a satellite.

Pretty much the same answer applies to transformers in power systems too. Better to shut off some part of the power grid briefly when there is a surge of current coming -- which you can't do without planning ahead, if half your crew is on vacation -- than lose major components.

 

Q: Who is more likely to be affected by the impact of a CME with the Earth ?

A: A coronal mass ejection can affect various systems in different ways. In extreme cases, electrical currents can be induced in long metal structures, like power lines and oil/gas pipelines. Additionally, the high-speed charged particles of the CME can cause the buildup of electrical charge in metal structures in satellites; such buildups of electrical charge can be damaging to the sensitive electronic systems common in telecommunications satellites. Because of the possibility of damage to these vital and very expensive systems, advance knowledge of the likelihood of a CME is potentially helpful to the operators of such systems.

However, not all the effects of CMEs are bad. The beautiful aurora borealis and aurora australis (Northern and Southern Lights) are caused by the influence of CMEs with the magnetic field surrounding the Earth. Roughly speaking, this interaction with the Earth's magnetosphere forms a kind of magnetohydrodynamic dynamo -- like an electrical generator -- which can drive a flow of charged particles down into the atmosphere. A small part of the energy carried by this current of particles is dissipated in the generation of auroral light. (Most of the dissipated energy goes to heating the atmosphere, and to breaking apart the atoms and molecules in the atmosphere.)

http://solar.physics.montana.edu/press/faq.html

 

Beautiful Aurora Caused by CME

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/gallery/Aurora1-102411.html

 

https://www.google.com/search?biw=853&bih=389&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=OQ0IWpjBHs-UjwO-26PwAw&q=Northern+Lights+caused+by+CME&oq=Northern+Lights+caused+by+CME&gs_l=psy-ab.3...35038.46761.0.47260.34.34.0.0.0.0.121.2774.32j2.34.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.9.814...0j0i24k1j0i8i7i30k1j0i7i30k1j0i13k1j0i67k1j0i10k1.0.FydvMy4dpbE

This one is my favorite picture. Which one do you like Keras?

 

 

 

 

[Psalms37:4]

10 hours ago, Keras said:

Coheir; the moon will shine as bright as the sun, Isaiah 30:26, as it reflects the 7 times brighter flash of the sun, but as the superheated hydrogen plasma of the CME ejecta strikes the moon, the thermite reaction with the Oxides that comprise moon dust, will burn bright red. Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20

Readers Beware!

Isaiah 30:26 is NOT and has nothing to do with a CME. This is a verse and chapter about Christ coming to destroy the antichrist (aka the assyrian or assyria in the old testament) with the brightness of His coming.

The rest of the chapter reveals the truth. Read the following verses. In bold red is the assyrian.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah 30%3A26-33&version=NKJV;GNT

Isaiah 30:26-33 New King James Version (NKJV)

²⁶ Moreover the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun,
And the light of the sun will be sevenfold,
As the light of seven days,
In the day that the Lord binds up the bruise of His people
And heals the stroke of their wound.

Judgment on Assyria

²⁷ Behold, the name of the Lord comes from afar,
Burning with His anger,
And His burden is heavy;
His lips are full of indignation,
And His tongue like a devouring fire.
²⁸ His breath is like an overflowing stream,
Which reaches up to the neck,
To sift the nations with the sieve of futility;
And there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people,
Causing them to err.

²⁹ You shall have a song
As in the night when a holy festival is kept,
And gladness of heart as when one goes with a flute,
To come into the mountain of the Lord,
To the Mighty One of Israel.
³⁰ The Lord will cause His glorious voice to be heard,
And show the descent of His arm,
With the indignation of His anger
And the flame of a devouring fire,
With scattering, tempest, and hailstones.
³¹ For through the voice of the Lord
Assyria will be beaten down,
As He strikes with the rod.
³² And in every place where the staff of punishment passes,
Which the Lord lays on him,
It will be with tambourines and harps;
And in battles of brandishing He will fight with it.
³³ For Tophet was established of old,
Yes, for the king it is prepared.
He has made it deep and large;
Its pyre is fire with much wood;
The breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone,
Kindles it.

 

The parallel verse is found in 2 Thessalonian 2:8 of Jesus coming to destroy the a/c with the brightness of His coming.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 New King James Version (NKJV)

⁸ And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

 

Jesus can illuminate brighter than the sun. The brightness is a reflection of His righteousness. The more righteous you are, the brighter you can shine in the supernatural realm, like stars. Or in Jesus' case, 7 times stronger than the sun.

Acts 26:12-15 New King James Version (NKJV)

¹² “While thus occupied, as I journeyed to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, ¹³ at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me. ¹⁴ And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ ¹⁵ So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

 

Revelation 21:23 New King James Version (NKJV)

²³ The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.

 

Revelation 22:5 New King James Version (NKJV)

⁵ There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

 

Psalm 104:1-2 New King James Version (NKJV)

104 Bless the Lord, O my soul!

O Lord my God, You are very great:
You are clothed with honor and majesty,
² Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment,
Who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.

 

God made man in His image. Someday we'll once again be like Him and Jesus in His image covered with light when we receive our glorified immortal bodies. Some of us will........

The more righteous you are, the brighter you can shine in the supernatural realm, like stars. Some of us will look like Adam and Eve before the fall while others will look like Adam and Eve after the fall, in full shame for all eternity.

Daniel 12:2-3 New King James Version (NKJV)

² And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
³ Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.

 

Revelation 19:7-8 New King James Version (NKJV)

⁷ Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” ⁸ And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

 

 

[Keras]

9 hours ago, Psalms37:4 said:

Keras, these aren't scriptures of a CME. Many you gave are prophecies about fire. All other verses are irrelevant just by observation. And none reveals the occurrence during the 6th seal. 

Your opinion.   The fact that all those prophesies can be literally fulfilled by a CME and you have provided no other viable way they could be, just shows your how you reject truth.

They all pertain to the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath, which IS the Sixth Seal.  Saying that a CME just makes some radio interference and produces auroras, shows your inability to see and understand verses like Joel 2:2b.... the like has never been known and will not again happen. 

Your idea of combining the Lord's Day of wrath with the glorious Return is simply unscriptural. You have to change the sequence of Revelation and place the Sixth Seal, Rev 6:11-17, at Jesus' Return, Rev 19:11.   This is plainly wrong and incurs for those who do it, the curse of Rev 22:18-19

[Psalms37:4]

On 11/12/2017 at 9:54 AM, inchrist said:

Hebrew thought

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2052-astronomy

Other Stars and Comets: The comet, because of its tail, is called "kokba de-shabbiṭ." (rodstar). Joshua b. Hananiah, the famous teacher of the Law (about 100), declared that a star appears once every seventy years and leads mariners astray;

Liddell-Scott-Jones Definitions

ἀστήρ, ὁ,

gen. έρος: dat. pl. ἀστράσι Il. 22.28, 317 (Aristarch.; ἄστρασι Sch.Ven., Choerob.): —

1. star (v. ἄστρον), ἀστέρ' ὀπωρινῷ Il. 5.5; οὔλιος ἀ. 11.62; Σείριος ἀ. Hes. Op. 417; ἀ. Ἀρκτοῦρος the chief star in the constellation, ib. 565, etc.; shooting star or meteor, Il. 4.75; οἱ διατρέχοντες ἀ. Ar. Pax 838; ᾄττοντας ὥσπερ ἀστέρας Pl. R. 621b, cf. Arist. Mete. 341a33, Plu. Agis 11.

Middle eastern thought 

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1973Metic...8...91B 

 

That information is not listed in either of the two links you provided. If I'm wrong, copy and paste what you've written in the link and "bold / underline" so we can see it. 

 

On 11/12/2017 at 9:54 AM, inchrist said:

 

logic

I don't know what your definition of logic is but do you not know what would happen if an asteroid that size collided with the earth would do?

And this is not a star.

 

 

 

[Psalms37:4]

On 11/12/2017 at 10:47 AM, Keras said:

Your opinion.   The fact that all those prophesies can be literally fulfilled by a CME 

Your opinion Keras, your opinion. Not something I hold in high regards though unless you can provide with scripture.

 

On 11/12/2017 at 10:47 AM, Keras said:

Saying that a CME just makes some radio interference and produces auroras, shows your inability to see and understand verses like Joel 2:2b.... the like has never been known and will not again happen. 

That's what CMEs does a great deal of times they penetrate the earth's atmosphere, they create auroras in the northern and southern poles. The sun bombards the earth daily with CMEs but we're protected by the earth magnetic field. Only on extremely rare cases will a strong CME cause electrical disruptions as did the Carrington Event of 1859. 

 

 

Joel 2:2 is about the 200 million army the bible commonly refers to as the locust in the new and old testament. Here they're heading to battle against Christ.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=joel+2%3A1-11&version=NKJV;ERV

Joel 2:1-11 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

2 Blow the trumpet on Zion.
    Shout a warning on my holy mountain.
Let all the people who live in the land shake with fear.
    The Lord’s special day is coming;
    it is near.
² It will be a dark, gloomy day.
    It will be a dark and cloudy day.
At sunrise you will see the army spread over the mountains.
    It will be a great and powerful army.
There has never been anything like it before,
    and there will never be anything like it again.
³ The army will destroy the land like a burning fire.
    In front of them the land will be like the Garden of Eden.
Behind them the land will be like an empty desert.
    Nothing will escape them.
⁴ They look like horses.
    They run like war horses.
⁵ Listen to them.
It is like the noise of chariots
    riding over the mountains.
It is like the noise of flames
    burning the chaff.
They are a powerful people,
    who are ready for war.
⁶ Before this army, people shake with fear.
    Their faces become pale from fear.

⁷ The soldiers run fast.
    They climb over the walls.
Each soldier marches straight ahead.
    They don’t move from their path.
⁸ They don’t trip each other.
    Each soldier walks in his own path.
If one of the soldiers is hit and falls down,
    the others keep right on marching.
⁹ They run to the city.
    They quickly climb over the wall.
They climb into the houses.
    They climb through the windows like thieves.
¹⁰ Before them, earth and sky shake.
    The sun and the moon become dark, and the stars stop shining.
¹¹ The Lord calls loudly to his army.
    His camp is very large.
The army obeys his commands.
    His army is very powerful.
The Lord’s special day is a great and terrible day.
    No one can stop it.

 

 

On 11/12/2017 at 10:47 AM, Keras said:

Your idea of combining the Lord's Day of wrath with the glorious Return is simply unscriptural. You have to change the sequence of Revelation and place the Sixth Seal, Rev 6:11-17, at Jesus' Return, Rev 19:11.   This is plainly wrong and incurs for those who do it, the curse of Rev 22:18-19

Utterly false accusations. And wrong sequence of event. The 6th seal of Rev 6:12-17 happens at the beginning of the tribulation.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Psalms37:4]

READERS BEWARE!

 

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Biblical Data:

Biblical Astronomy, in the broad sense, includes the views taken in the books of the Bible of the position of the earth in the universe, the designation of the stars, planets, fixed stars, and the views held regarding them. The material for the subject, except so far as the earth is concerned, is very meager, dependence for the most part having to be placed on ambiguous references chiefly in the poetical sections. In the present article the stars, planets, and fixed stars in general are dealt with. (For the earth, sun, and moon, see Cosmogony, Sun, Moon.) The sky, the abode of the stars, is described as a "raḳia'" (, a plate); that is, a rigid, broad, solid plate possessing a certain thickness. According to Gen. i. 6, this raḳia' was set in the midst of the waters, and it divided the waters above from those beneath. God "made" it of matter already existing at the time of Creation; that is, He did not "create" it at that time. The raḳia' representing the sky in Ezek. i. 22 resembled ice; therefore it is quite possible that the author of Genesis, like Ezekiel, regarded the sky as being composed of solidified water or ice. Such a sky, being transparent, would permit the stars, which are located above its vault, to be seen through it.

The Four Elements in Genesis.

The heavenly bodies, according to Gen. i. 16, were also made (not created) from existing material, after light had come into existence. They were certainly made of the material of light, just as the vault of the sky was made out of water-material, and the human soul from air (Gen. ii. 7), and all things living upon earth from earth (Gen. i. 24). All these were made of the four elements, light (or fire), water, air, and earth; only those creatures which subsist in air and water—that is, in other elements than those of which they are composed—were created; while man, the image of God, although living on earth and being of the earth, was "created and made" (Gen. i. 26, 27; but see ii. 7).

Stars the Hosts of Heaven.

The stars were supposed to be living creatures. If the difficult passage (Judges v. 20) may be regarded as other than a poetical figure, the stars "walk on the way"; they "come out" in the morning, and "go in" at night. By a miracle, sun and moon are made to stand suddenly still (Josh. x. 12). They fight from their courses like warriors on the march (Judges ib.); the poet perhaps thinks of falling stars. In later times the stars are spoken of as "the hosts of heaven." This conception is accurately paralleled among the Assyrians, kinsmen of the Hebrews, who likewise conceive of the stars as soldiers serving the god of heaven, Anu, and probably also the somewhat similar god Ninib, whose abode was the planet Saturn. Eabani (?) is compared in the Gilgamesh epic (tab. i. col. 5, 28, 40; see Schrader, "K. B." vi. i. 130 et seq.) with an army of Anu and falling stars or (tab. i. cols. 11, 33, 35; see ib. p. 120) with the army of Anu and Ninib. The stars stand in God's presence, to the right and the left of His throne (I. K. xxii. 19; II Chron. xviii. 18); they serve Him (Neh. ix. 6; Ps. ciii. 21), and praise Him (Ps. ciii. 21), cxlviii. 2). Like the kings of earth, they may be consigned by God's judgment to the nether world (Isa. xxiv. 21 et seq.); and God will in future execute judgment among them as among the nations of earth (Isa. xxxiv. 4 et seq.). Reverence is offered to them as living creatures, even in later times (Jer. viii. 2), and quite naturally upon the housetops (Jer. xix. 13, xxxii. 29; Zeph. i. 5), in the same manner as the Assyrians worshiped the sun (Gilgamesh epic, iii. 2, 7 (15); Schrader, "K. B." vi. 1, 146).

"Captain of Army."

At the head of this starry host stands a "captain of the army" (, Josh. v. 14; Dan. viii. 11); according to the passage in Daniel, he was the star highest in altitude as well. By this designation probably Saturn was intended, the farthest removed from earth and therefore the highest in the heavens,and which is held by the Assyrians to be the "bellwether" of the flock. This starry army belongs to Yhwh; hence the frequent expression "Yhwh of hosts" or "God of hosts" () indicates that He is the actual leader of the heavenly array. According to a later view, however (Zech. iv. 2, 10), the seven planets are evidently termed the "seven eyes of God" (Smend, "Alttestamentliche Religionsgesch." p. 343, note), just as the planet Saturn was the eye of Anu, lord of heaven among the Babylonians. It would appear, therefore, that they were no longer considered independent beings, and of course the other stars likewise. This passage has probably no reference whatever to the seven-armed candlestick of the Temple; and it has no connection with what the Hebrews may or may not have conceived concerning the planets.

Individual Stars.

As regards the individual stars, current opinion holds to-day that four to six, perhaps seven, are named in the Old Testament. Such are: "Kesîl" (, Isa. xiii. 10; Amos v. 8; Job ix. 9, xxxviii., 31), understood generally to be Orion; "Kimah" (, Amos l.c.; Job l.c.), identical with Sirius or the Pleiades; "'Ash" or "'Ayish" (, Job ix. 9, xxxviii. 32), possibly the Great Bear, possibly the Hyades or Pleiades; "Mazzarot" (, Job xxxviii. 32), either the Pleiades or Hyades, or possibly the Northern and Southern Crown. Another is mentioned, "Ḥadre Teman" (, Job ix. 9) but it is doubtful whether or not a constellation is meant by this at all; see G. Hoffmann, in "Zeitschr. Alttestamentliche Wissenschaft," ii. 107, who holds that Kesîl is Orion; Kimah, Sirius; 'Ayish, the Hyades; Mazzarot, the Pleiades; and that  is to be amended to read  ("chambers of the Twins," Gemini).

According to this view, all the fixed stars and constellations mentioned in the Old Testament would lie in one region of the stellar hemisphere; and according to Stern (Geiger's "Jüd. Zeit." iii. 258), these, and these only, are mentioned because they serve to indicate the seasons of the calendar. These identifications, however, admit of no positive proof; for a disconnected tradition can hardly be considered a demonstration. The only case in which anything approaching proof can be adduced is that of 'Ash or 'Ayish by means of the Talmudic word , "yuta" (mentioned with this star and perhaps etymologically related to it)—in Syriac, ; in Arabic,  ("rain")—which would agree with the idea of the constellation of the Hyades, the "rain-stars." It should then be punctuated to read "'ayush" (Hoffmann).

"Mazzarot," in Job xxxviii. 32, may perhaps, by comparison with Job xxxvii. 9, where "mezarim" () is paralleled by "Ḧeder" (, "chamber"), be explained as identical with "Ḥadre Teman" (chambers of the south) (Job ix. 9) or etymologically referred to the Assyrian "massartu" (Babylonian "mazzartu"), a place where something is watched. But it is just as likely to be, as tradition already has it, a variation of "mazzalot" (, II Kings xxiii. 5)—a word also of uncertain meaning, varying as its explanations do between "planets," "constellations of the zodiac," and "stations of the moon." If the word were indisputably of Assyro-Babylonian origin and related to "manzaltu" or "mazaltu," either of the two latter significations would probably be the correct one, seeing that "manzaltu" means "stand" or "station," is also applied to stars, and, like its synonym, "manzazu," denotes probably some one or other of the zodiacal constellations.

"Kesîl," remarkably enough, is found in the plural in Isa. xiii. 10, where "the stars of heaven and its [or their] kesîlim" are spoken of. This is commonly translated "their Orions," and is explained as meaning "their larger constellations"; but the plural of such a proper name is very hard to understand. One would hardly speak of "the Siriuses" or "the Greater Bears" of the heavens. It is probably to be understood as a generic term, not a proper name at all, and to be translated "stars" instead of "Orions." A corollary herefrom would be that "'Ayish" and "Kimah" would then also be generic names and not proper ones, a supposition which their exclusive occurrence in the singular would not disprove (compare the generic singulars in Isa. xxx. 6). And when God, in Job xxxviii. 31 et seq., is said to bind Kimah, open Kesîl, and lead 'Ayish, these proper names may well in reality mean nothing more than planets, meteors, or comets, and thus the word "Kesîl" (fool) be a not inappropriate name for the vagrant comet, the roving planet, or the headlong meteor. It is true, however, that difficulties would arise when considering the "children of 'Ayish" and various other points in connection with these names; and altogether this remarkable plural of Kesîl in Isaiah, with its usual translation, must remain a bone of contention.

That "naḦash bariaḦ" (, "flying serpent"), Isa. xxvii. 1 and Job xxvi. 13, denotes a constellation, as has been claimed, rests upon no evidence.

Planets.

Of planets, as far as ascertainable with any degree of certainty, only two are mentioned in the Old Testament: Saturn, called by his Assyrian name "Kévan" () in Amos v. 26; and "Meleket ha-Shamayim" (), "the queen of heaven," Jer. vii. 18, xliv. 17, 25, etc. That the latter means Venus is shown by the cakes which are said to have been baked for her. Among the Assyro-Babylonians the cakeofferings were called "the bread of Ishtar" (Venus).

Helel, Son of the Morning.

It is usually claimed that by the word "Helel" , "son of the morning," in Isa. xiv. 12, the morning star, or, more correctly, one of the two morning stars, is meant; and the analogy with  ("to glitter") seems to favor the view. Closely considered, however, there is little foundation for the supposition, since Isaiah gives no intimation whatever that Helel is a star (Gunkel, "Schöpfung und Chaos," pp. 132 et seq.).

The supposition that "Gad" () in Isa. lxv. 11 means "Jupiter," the god of Fortune, and that "Meni" (), in the same verse, means "Venus" (if these readings be correct), rests upon mere hypothesis.

If it were not that the late-Hebrew name "Ẓedeḳ" (="justice") for "Jupiter" betrays, not an Assyro-Babylonian origin, but rather a late Jewish one—for among the Assyro-Babylonians Saturn is the star of justice—it might be accepted as an earlyJewish name for that planet; but to endeavor to connect this with the Old Testament proper names "Meichizedek" and "Adonizedek" is, to say the least, hazardous.

The Old Testament contains no more than the preceding concerning Hebrew Astronomy. Of Hebrew astrology before the Babylonian exile, it contains not a word; for the passage Isa. xlvii. 13, wherein astrologers are evidently meant by "the astrologers, the star-gazers, the monthly prognosticators," is regarded by most scholars as post-exilic. This may perhaps indicate that the ancient Hebrews possessed no astrology; at all events, what is known of the astrology of the later Hebrews shows Assyro-Babylonian influence, as is illustrated by the fact that Mercury, for instance, is called "the star," just as the Assyro-Babylonians designate him simply as "the planet."

Bibliography:

• Gunkel's recent Commentary on Gen. (Nowack Series) may be consulted for incidental references to Biblical Astronomy;
• for the Babylonian views, see Jensen, Kosmologie der Babylonier, Strasburg, 1890, passim;
• Jastrow, Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, xx.-xxii.;
• Epping-Strassmaier, Astronomisches aus Babylon, Freiburg, 1889.

Ancient Conception of Astronomy.—In the Talmud:

The study of the universe as a whole was, like all other sciences in olden times, held in closest connection with religion, and was cultivated in the interest of the latter. The starworld was to the heathen an object of worship, but not to the Jews, whether national or Hellenized. With this reverence there was connected a superstition that the stars determined the destiny of man. The computation of time also depends upon a knowledge of the heavenly bodies; and this again was closely connected with religion. It is obvious, therefore, that the Astronomy of the Talmudists could not be an independent science any more than that of the Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Greeks, or of all other nations of antiquity or of the medieval ages: it was a department of knowledge belonging to theology. Only those data which are purely astronomical are dealt with here; for the rest see Astrology, Calendar, and Worship, Idol. Nor can those cosmological speculations which were prevalent among all nations of antiquity be discussed in this article.

The facts handed down form, however, only a fraction of the astronomical knowledge of the Talmudists; for in their academies they touched upon scientific problems only so far as they related to religious questions, and exercised great reserve regarding their stellar investigations, so as not to betray the secrets of the festival calendar, an important privilege of the house of the Palestinian patriarch and of his tribunal. For these two reasons the following account will naturally give only an inadequate idea of the knowledge of Astronomy among the Jews during the first centuries of the common era. Furthermore, these fragments do not emanate from one homogeneous system, as they are the accumulations of at least four centuries, and are traceable to various authors, Palestinian and Babylonian, among whom some were inclined to mysticism.

Astronomy a Religious Study.

The high value of astronomical knowledge is already demonstrated by the astronomical section of the Book of Enoch (about 72-80), as well as by such sayings as those of Eleazar Ḥisma (about 100), a profound mathematician, who could "count the drops in the ocean" (Hor. 10a), and who declared that "ability to compute the solstice and the calendar is the 'dessert [auxiliaries] of wisdom '" (Ab. iii. 18). Among the sciences that Johanan ben Zakkai mastered was a knowledge of the solstices and the calendar; i.e., the ability to compute the course of the sun and the moon (Suk. 28a). Later writers declare that "to him who can compute the course of the sun and the revolution of the planets and neglects to do so, may be applied the words of the prophet (Isa. v. 12), 'They regard not the work of the Lord, neither consider the operation of his hands.'" To pay attention to the course of the sun and to the revolution of the planets is a religious injunction; for such is the import of the words (Deut. iv. 6), "This is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations" (Shab. 75a).

No Scientific Discoveries in Palestine.

Despite the general importance and religious significance attached to Astronomy in the Holy Land, no scientific discoveries were made there. Astronomical observatories and instruments are nowhere mentioned, unless among the latter are included a chart illustrating the various phases of the moon (R. H. ii. 8), and a sort of telescope for the calculation of air-line distances ("meẓofot," Yer. 'Er. v. 22d; "shefoferet," Bab. 'Er. 43b). The starry heavens of Palestine interested the Jews, indeed, as creations of God, as means to determine the holidays; but for a better knowledge of them the Jews were undoubtedly indebted to the Babylonians and their Hellenic pupils, as evidenced by the foreign term "gemaṭria," used to designate the computation of the calendar. Possibly this word represents a transposition of γραμματεία= "arithmetic, mathematics" (Sachs, "Beiträge," ii. 74)—"a sister science of astronomy from the earliest times, but destined as the mathematical element to obtain adequate importance only in later periods" (Pauly-Wissowa, "Realencyklopädie der Classischen Alterthumswissenschaft," 1831, ii.). Most of the observations of a scientific nature were transmitted by Samuel (250), who attended the schools of the Babylonians, and who claimed to possess as exact a knowledge of the heavenly regions as of the streets of his own city Nehardea. Certain rules must nevertheless have existed; for the patriarch Rabban Gamaliel (about 100), who applied the above-mentioned lunar tablets and telescope, relied for authority upon such as had been transmitted by his paternal ancestors (Yer. R. H. ii. 58b; Bab. R. H. 25a).

Conceptions of Heaven and Earth.

As in the Bible, so also in the Talmud, heaven and earth designate the two borders of the universe. The former is a hollow sphere covering the earth. It consists, according to one authority, of a strong and firm plate two or three fingers in thickness, always lustrous and never tarnishing. Another tannaitic authority estimates the diameter of this plate as one-sixth of the sun's diurnal journey; whileanother, a Babylonian, estimates it at 1,000 parasangs. According to others, the diameter of the firmament is equal to the distance covered in 50 or 500 years; and this is true also of the earth and the large sea ("Tehom") upon which it rests (Yer. Ber. i. 2c; Targ. Yer. Gen. i. 6). The distance of the firmament from the earth is a journey of 500 years—a distance equivalent to the diameter of the firmament, through which the sun must saw its way in order to become visible (Yer. Ber. i. 2c, bot.; Pes. 94a). The firmament, according to some, consists of fire and water, and, according to others, of water only; while the stars consist of fire (Yer. R. H. ii. 58a). East and west are at least as far removed from each other as is the firmament from the earth (Tamid. 32a). Heaven and earth "kiss each other" at the horizon; and between the water above and that below there are but two or three fingerbreadths (Gen. R. ii. 4; Tosef., Ḥag. ii. 5). The earth rests upon water and is encompassed by it. According to other conceptions the earth is supported by one, seven, or twelve pillars. These rest upon water, the water upon mountains, the mountains upon the wind, and the wind upon the storm (Ḥag. 12b; Yer. Ḥag. ii. 77a). The nations of antiquity generally believed that the earth was a disk floating on water. There is also mentioned the terrestrial globe, "kaddur," though it may also be translated as "disk." When Alexander the Great attempted to ascend to heaven he rose even higher and higher, until the earth appeared as a globe and the sea as a tray (Yer. 'Ab. Zarah iii. 42c, bot.). The earth is divided into three parts, viz., habitable land, desert, and sea.

It was assumed that our present earth was preceded by many others which were not good in the eyes of the Creator, who traverses in all 18,000 worlds, and for this reason is frequently styled "Lord of the Worlds" (Gen. R. iii. 7, ix. 2; Midr. Teh. xxxiv.). The ocean also is mentioned in the Talmud, and the whole world is said to drink of its waters (Ta'an. 9b). According to mystic speculation there are seven heavens, the first of which is called "velum" (curtain); the second, "firmament," etc. (Ḥag. 12b). Whether these worlds are similar to ours is not stated. The correct impression concerning the infinitude of the starry host is expressed in the following sentence of R. Simeon b. Laḳish (about 250): "There are twelve mazzalot [signs of the zodiac], each having thirty armies; each army, thirty camps [ = castra]; each camp, thirty legions [compare Matt. xxvi. 53]; each legion, thirty cohorts; each cohort, thirty corps [compare Krauss, "Lehnwörter," s.v. ]; and each corps has 365,000 myriads of stars entrusted to it" (Ber. 32b).

Motions of the Heavenly Bodies.

The Talmud subscribes, as do all astronomers before the time of Copernicus, to the geocentric worldconception, according to which the stars move about the earth. The conceptions of this motion were various. Aristotle believes that the stars have no motion of their own, being firmly attached to circles of rotation; and he further ascribes to every circle containing a star a sphere of motion whose center is the earth (Pauly-Wissowa, "Realencyklopädie der Classischen Alterthumswissenschaft," 1841, ii.). Perhaps the wonderful Baraita PesaḦim 94b gives expression to this idea in the following: "The learned of Israel say, 'The sphere stands firm, and the planets revolve'; the learned of the nations say, 'The sphere moves, and the planets stand firm.' The learned of Israel say, 'The sun moves by day beneath the firmament, and by night above the firmament'; the learned of the nations say, 'The sun moves by day beneath the firmament, and by night beneath the earth.'" The patriarch Judah I. (about 200) believed that in the first instance the Jewish, and in the second the non-Jewish, conception was correct. The sun travels in four directions. During Nisan, Iyyar, and Siwan (spring) it travels in the south, in order to melt the snow; during Tammuz, Ab, and Elul (summer), directly above the earth, in order to ripen the fruit; during Tishri, Ḥeshwan, and Kislew, above the sea, in order to absorb the waters; and in Ṭebet, Shebaṭ, and Adar, over the desert, in order that the grain may not dry up and wither (ib.).

The sun has 365 windows through which it emerges; 182 in the east, 182 in the west, and 1 in the middle, the place of its first entrance. The course described by it in a year is traversed by the moon in 30 days. The solar year is longer by 11 days than the lunar year (Yer. R. H. ii. 58a). The sun completes its course in 12 months; Jupiter, in 12 years; Saturn, in 30 years; Venus and Mars, in 480 years (Gen. R. x. 4); however, an objection is raised here (in a gloss) against the last-mentioned number. King Antoninus asked the patriarch why the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. At the time of the Deluge it traveled in the opposite direction (Sanh. 91b, 108b). Every 28 years it returns to its original point of departure, and on Tuesday evening of the spring solstice it is in opposition with Saturn, although Plato maintained that the sun and planets never return to the place whence they started. This is the cycle of 28 years (Ber. 59b); the moon-cycle of 19 years may have been meant in the Targ. Yer. Gen. i. 14.

Six Seasons.

The four solstices (the Teḳufot of Nisan, Tammuz, Tishri, and Ṭebet) are often mentioned as determining the seasons of the year; and there are occasional references to the rising-place of the sun ('Er. 56a). Sometimes six seasons of the year are mentioned (Gen. R. xxxiv. 11), and reference is often made to the receptacle of the sun (ναρθήκιον), by means of which the heat of the orb is mitigated (Gen. R. vi. 6, and elsewhere). The revolutions of the moon were undoubtedly known; for "Israel computes by the moon, the other nations by the sun" (Suk. 29a, and elsewhere). God expressly prohibits the revealing of the secrets of chronology (Ket. 112a). Samuel sent to R. Johanan a list of the leap-years for sixty years, which the latter did not regard as exhibiting any remarkable mathematical skill. (Ḥul. 95b). "The moon begins to shine on the 1st of the month; its light increases until the 15th, when the disk [ (δίσκοσ)] is full; from the 15th to the 30th it wanes; and on the 30th it is invisible" (Ex. R. xv. 26).

Seven Planets.

From the names of the seven planets were derived the names of the days of the week; and each daywas consecrated to the particular planet that ruled during the early hours of the morning. The Talmudists were familiar with the planets and their characteristics (see Astrology); but only the week-days were counted, while the Sabbath had a name of its own. The names of the seven planets are: (1) "Shabbetai," Saturn; (2) "Ẓedeḳ," Jupiter; (3) "Maadim," Mars; (4) "Ḥammah," the sun; (5) "Kokebet" or "Nogah," "Kokab-Nogah," Venus; (6) "Kokab," Mercury; (7) "Lebanah," the moon. According to the first letter of each of their names, they are called "SheẒaM ḤeNKaL" (Shab. 129b, 156a; Pesiḳ. R. xx.; Pirḳe R. El. vi.). The worship of Venus is mentioned (Pesiḳ. R. xxxi., ed. Friedmann, p. 143a), and warning is given not to confuse it with the dawn (; Yer. Ber. i. 2c).

The Zodiac.

The twelve constellations of the zodiac are: Aries ("Ṭaleh"), Taurus ("Shor"), Gemini ("Teomim"), Cancer ("Sarṭon"), Leo ("Ari"), Virgo ("Betulah"), Libra ("Moznayim"), Scorpio ("'Aḳrab), Sagittarius, Archer ("Ḳasshat"), Capricornus ("Gedi"), Aquarius ("Deli"), and Pisces ("Dagim"). According to the first letter of each, they are collectively called "ṬeSHeT," "SaAB," "Ma'AḲ," "GeDaD" (Pesiḳ. R. l.c., and Pirḳe R. El. l.c.; Rashi on B. M. 106b, and elsewhere). The first three are in the east, the second three in the south, the third three in the west, and the last three in the north; and all are attendant on the sun. According to one conception, Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius face northward; Taurus, Virgo, and Capricornus westward; Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius southward; and Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces eastward (Yalḳ., Ex. 418; Kings 185). According to the tannaitic view, Taurus ("'Eglah") is in the north and the Scorpion in the south ('Er. 56a; Pes. 94a). [Some read "'Agalah" (Wagon = Charles's Wain), see Tos. to Pes. l.c.] Each constellation rules for one month; viz.; Aries in Nisan (March), Taurus in Iyyar (April), etc. (Pesiḳ. R. xxvii., ed. Friedmann, p. 133b; Pesiḳ. R. K. xiii. 116a). That the zodiacal circles were generally known is evident from the frequency of their interpretation in sermons and from their liturgical application in post-Talmudic times. An allusion to Aquarius is found also in a Babylonian incantation (Giṭ. 69a).

Other Stars and Comets.

The Milky Way is called "Fire-Stream," a name borrowed from Daniel vii. 10 ("Nehar di-nur"), where it may possibly have had the same signification. The statement is also made that the sting of Scorpio may be seen lying in the Milky Way (Ḥag. 13b; Ex. R. xv. 6, ; Ber. 58b). Samuel said: "We have it as a tradition that no comet ever passed across the face of Orion ["Kesil"]; for if this should happen the earth would be destroyed." When his hearers objected to this statement, saying, "Yet we see that this occurs," Samuel replied: "It only appears so; for the comet passes either above or below the star. Possibly also its radiance passes, but not its body." Again, Samuel says: "But for the warmth of Orion, the earth could not exist, because of the frigidity of Scorpio; furthermore, Orion lies near Taurus, with which the warm season begins (Yer. Ber. ix. 13c; Bab. Ber. 58b). The comet, because of its tail, is called "kokba de-shabbiṭ." (rodstar). Joshua b. Hananiah, the famous teacher of the Law (about 100), declared that a star appears once every seventy years and leads mariners astray ; hence they should at such time lay in a larger store of provisions (Hor. 10a). Rapoport endeavors to prove that the path of Halley's comet had been computed by a wise rabbi (Epistle to Slonimski in "Toledot ha-Shamayim," Warsaw, 1838). Samuel said: "I know all the paths of heaven, but nothing of the nature of the comet."

The following Biblical names of constellations are mentioned and explained: . Pleiades [a cluster of] about a hundred stars, and for the muchdisputed , its equally obscure Aramaic equivalent  (MS. M. ), Syriac , is given (Ber. 58b). The following two sagas also have reference to natural phenomena. When R. Jacob died, stars were seen by day; when R. Ḥiyya died, stones of fire fell from heaven (M. Ḳ. 25b). The latter may possibly be a reference to meteors.

Bibliography:

• Winer, B. R. ii. 526-529, Leipsic, 1848;
• Hamburger, R. B. T. ii. 77-81, s.v.

—In Post-Talmudic Times:

With the revival of Greek science which took place in Islam, Jews were intimately connected, and the "Almagest" is said to have been translated by Sahal ibn Tabari as early as 800, while one of the earliest independent students of Astronomy among the Arabs was Mashallah (754-873?). Jews seem to have been particularly concerned with the formation of astronomical tables of practical utility to astronomers. Sind ben Ali (about 830) was one of the principal contributors to the tables drawn up under the patronage of the Sultan Maimun. No less than twelve Jews were concerned in the Toledo tables, drawn up about 1080 under the influence of Aḥmad ibn Zaid, and the celebrated "Alfonsine Tables" were executed under the superintendence of Isaac ibn Sid, while Jews were equally concerned in the less-known tables of Pedro IV.

Isaac al-Ḥadib compiled astronomical tables from those of Al-Rakkam, Al-Battam, and Ibn al-Kammad. Joseph ibn Wakkar (1357) drew up tables of the period 720 (Heg.); while Mordecai Comtino and Mattathia Delacrut commented upon the Persian and Paris tables respectively; the latter were commented upon also by Farissol Botarel. Abraham ibn Ezra translated Al-Mattani's Canons of the Khowarezmi Tables, and in his introduction tells a remarkable story of a Jew in India who helped Jacob ben Tarik to translate the Indian astronomical tables according to the Indian cycle of 432,000 years. Other tables were compiled by Jacob ben Makir, Emanuel ben Jacob, Jacob ben David ben Yom-Ṭob Poel (1361), Solomon ben Elijah (from the Persian tables), and Abraham Zacuto of Salamanca (about 1515).

The earliest to treat of Astronomy in Hebrew on a systematic plan was Abraham bar Ḥiyya, who wrote at Marseilles, about 1134. Discussions on astronomical points, especially with regard to the spheres, and disputed points in calculating the calendar occur frequently in the works of Judah ha-Levi, Abraham ibn Ezra, and Maimonides, while a new system of Astronomy is contained in the "Warsof the Lord" ("Milḥamot Adonai") of Levi ben Gershon.

Jews were especially helpful in the progress of the science by their work as translators: Moses ibn Tibbon translated from the Arabic Jabir ben Aflah's acute criticisms of the Ptolemaic system, an anticipation of Copernicus, and thus brought them to the notice of Maimonides. Ibn al-Haitham's Arabic compendium of Astronomy was a particular favorite of Jewish astronomers; besides being translated into Spanish by Don Abraham Faquin, it was turned into Hebrew by Jacob ben Makir and Solomon ibn Pater Cohen and into Latin by Abraham de Balmes. Other translations from the Arabic were by Jacob Anatoli, Moses Galeno, and Kalonymus ben Kalonymus, who thus were the means of bringing the Greco-Arabic astronomers to the notice of western Europe. Jacob Anatoli, for example, translated into Hebrew both the "Almagest" and Averroes' compendium of it, and this Hebrew version was itself translated into Latin by J. Christmann. Other translators from the Hebrew into Latin were Abraham de Balmes and Kalonymus ben David of Naples, while David Kalonymus ben Jacob, Ephraim Mizraḥi, and Solomon Abigdor translated from the Latin into Hebrew. The well-known family of translators, the Ibn Tibbons, may be especially mentioned. In practical Astronomy Jewish work was even more effective. Jacob ben Makir (who is known also as Profiat Tibbon) appears to have been professor of Astronomy at Montpelier, about 1300, and to have invented a quadrant to serve as a substitute for the astrolabe. Levi ben Gershon was also the inventor of an astronomical instrument, and is often quoted with respect under the name of Leon de Bañolas. Bonet de Lattes also invented an astronomical ring. Abraham Zacuto ben Samuel was professor of Astronomy at Salamanca, and afterward astronomer-royal to Emanuel of Portugal, who had previously been advised by a Jewish astronomer, Rabbi Joseph Vecinho, a pupil of Abraham Zacuto, as to the project put before him by Columbus, who, in carrying it out, made use of Zacuto's "Almanac" and "Tables."

With the Renaissance, Jewish work in Astronomy lost in importance, as Europe could revert to the Greek astronomers without it. The chief name connected with the revival of astronomical studies on the Baltic is that of David Gans of Prague (d. 1613), who corresponded with Kepler, Tycho Brahe, and Regiomontanus; he was acquainted with the Copernican system, but preferred that of Ptolemy, while as late as 1714 David Nieto of London still stood out against the Copernican system. Altogether, in reviewing Jewish Astronomy in the Middle Ages, one can not claim that Jews themselves made many contributions to the science; but by making the Greco-Arabic Astronomy accessible to Europe, they aided in keeping the interest in the subject alive, and prepared the way for the revival of the science in the sixteenth century. On the practical side of the science, their chief contributions were of more value: almost all the tables used by astronomers and navigators were their work, while they introduced several improvements in astronomical instruments. See also Calendar.

The modern epoch of the science begins with a great Jewish name, that of Sir William Herschel (1738-1822), whose Jewish origin is acknowledged by his biographer. His systematic survey of the heavens, continued and completed by his son John, his catalogues of nebulæ and clusters, and his discovery of the planet Uranus, may be classed among the greatest exploits in the history of Astronomy. He also started the investigation into the constitution of the universe, determined the path of the sun toward the constellation Vega, and in innumerable ways started this science along the lines on which it developed up to the time of the discovery of spectrum analysis. He was assisted throughout his work by his sister Caroline Herschel (1750-1848). Since his time no very great Jewish name has been connected with the development of astronomical science, but no less than fourteen of the asteroids were located by H. Goldschmidt (1802-66)—at a time when the discovery of an asteroid was by no means so easy a task or so frequent an occurrence as it is nowadays—and W. Beer (1797-1850), the brother of Meyerbeer, was the first to draw an accurate map of the moon. Of contemporaries, the most distinguished is Moritz Loewy (b. 1833), director of the Paris Observatory, and the inventor of the coudé or elbow telescope, by which the stars may be observed without bending the neck back and without leaving the comfortable observatory.

The following list of Jewish astronomers of the Middle Ages, with the approximate periods of their activity, arranged in alphabetical order of first names, some of whom are mentioned elsewhere in this work, may be of service in drawing attention to the minuter details

Where is it? It does not say what you claimed it said.

I'm looking for something exactly as you written in your previous post. It's not in either of the two links you provided.

This was what you wrote.

Other Stars and Comets: The comet, because of its tail, is called "kokba de-shabbiṭ." (rodstar). Joshua b. Hananiah, the famous teacher of the Law (about 100), declared that a star appears once every seventy years and leads mariners astray;

Liddell-Scott-Jones Definitions

ἀστήρ, ὁ,

gen. έρος: dat. pl. ἀστράσι Il. 22.28, 317 (Aristarch.; ἄστρασι Sch.Ven., Choerob.): —

1. star (v. ἄστρον), ἀστέρ' ὀπωρινῷ Il. 5.5; οὔλιος ἀ. 11.62; Σείριος ἀ. Hes. Op. 417; ἀ. Ἀρκτοῦρος the chief star in the constellation, ib. 565, etc.; shooting star or meteor, Il. 4.75; οἱ διατρέχοντες ἀ. Ar. Pax 838; ᾄττοντας ὥσπερ ἀστέρας Pl. R. 621b, cf. Arist. Mete. 341a33, Plu. Agis 11.

 

Your previous post:

On 11/12/2017 at 9:54 AM, inchrist said:

Hebrew thought

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2052-astronomy

Other Stars and Comets: The comet, because of its tail, is called "kokba de-shabbiṭ." (rodstar). Joshua b. Hananiah, the famous teacher of the Law (about 100), declared that a star appears once every seventy years and leads mariners astray;

Liddell-Scott-Jones Definitions

ἀστήρ, ὁ,

gen. έρος: dat. pl. ἀστράσι Il. 22.28, 317 (Aristarch.; ἄστρασι Sch.Ven., Choerob.): —

1. star (v. ἄστρον), ἀστέρ' ὀπωρινῷ Il. 5.5; οὔλιος ἀ. 11.62; Σείριος ἀ. Hes. Op. 417; ἀ. Ἀρκτοῦρος the chief star in the constellation, ib. 565, etc.; shooting star or meteor, Il. 4.75; οἱ διατρέχοντες ἀ. Ar. Pax 838; ᾄττοντας ὥσπερ ἀστέρας Pl. R. 621b, cf. Arist. Mete. 341a33, Plu. Agis 11.

Middle eastern thought 

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1973Metic...8...91B 

 

 

This is what you bolded from the post above. It doesn't match what you previously wrote from your prior post that I copied and pasted in red above.

Other Stars and Comets.

The Milky Way is called "Fire-Stream," a name borrowed from Daniel vii. 10 ("Nehar di-nur"), where it may possibly have had the same signification. The statement is also made that the sting of Scorpio may be seen lying in the Milky Way (Ḥag. 13b; Ex. R. xv. 6, ; Ber. 58b). Samuel said: "We have it as a tradition that no comet ever passed across the face of Orion ["Kesil"]; for if this should happen the earth would be destroyed." When his hearers objected to this statement, saying, "Yet we see that this occurs," Samuel replied: "It only appears so; for the comet passes either above or below the star. Possibly also its radiance passes, but not its body." Again, Samuel says: "But for the warmth of Orion, the earth could not exist, because of the frigidity of Scorpio; furthermore, Orion lies near Taurus, with which the warm season begins (Yer. Ber. ix. 13c; Bab. Ber. 58b). The comet, because of its tail, is called "kokba de-shabbiṭ." (rodstar). Joshua b. Hananiah, the famous teacher of the Law (about 100), declared that a star appears once every seventy years and leads mariners astray ;

 

READERS BEWARE!

This is a typically example of what he does. He'll take a few words from one bible verse, a few more words from another verse and a few more from another, then meshes them together to form his own conclusion and post that calling it evidence.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2017 by Psalms37:4

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31 minutes ago, inchrist said:

As for:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1973Metic...8...91B

Go to the last paragraph

I saw that link already. Read the first two paragraphs, it's about meteors aka falling stars or shooting stars. The early astronomers along with those during the Seleucid empire were not aware they are meteors because meteors were not discovered till the 19th century. They're not stars. Google when were meteors discovered.

Good luck trying to prove an asteroid the size of Texas will hit earth during Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:13.

History

Although meteors have been known since ancient times, they were not known to be an astronomical phenomenon until early in the 19th century. Prior to that, they were seen in the West as an atmospheric phenomenon, like lightning, and were not connected with strange stories of rocks falling from the sky. In 1807, Yale University chemistry professor Benjamin Silliman investigated a meteorite that fell in Weston, Connecticut.^[28] Silliman believed the meteor had a cosmic origin, but meteors did not attract much attention from astronomers until the spectacular meteor storm of November 1833.^[29] People all across the eastern United States saw thousands of meteors, radiating from a single point in the sky. Astute observers noticed that the radiant, as the point is now called, moved with the stars, staying in the constellation Leo.^[30]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteoroid

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Psalms37:4]

9 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Oh boy

This is from the jewish encyclopedia

Other Stars and Comets: The comet, because of its tail, is called "kokba de-shabbiṭ." (rodstar). Joshua b. Hananiah, the famous teacher of the Law (about 100), declared that a star appears once every seventy years and leads mariners astray;

Liddell-Scott-Jones Definitions is not from from the jewish encyclopedia, liddell -scott- jones definition is a lexicon.....did i really have to explain that to you? 

Let me guess. Now you're telling us you forgot to post the link to that too?