Shyguy Posted April 12, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 89 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/09/1974 Share Posted April 12, 2005 God and Marriage : Two Become One Gen 1:27 And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female. In the beginning God created one man and one woman. One couple bonded by God to create and populate the earth. The sanctity of this relationship was sealed by God. Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh. From the very beginning God joined man and woman in spiritual bonding. We are no longer individuals with our own desires and our own paths, we have become one. A joining that carries the weight of divine edict. Matthew 19:6-7 Therefore they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. They said to Him, Why did Moses then command to give a bill of divorce and to put her away? He said to them, Because of your hard-heartedness Moses allowed you to put away your wives; but from the beginning it was not so. No man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orr v'emet Posted April 12, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,672 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/12/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2005 shyguy, I appreciate your post! I have to say that these words are a dangerous thing in our society, even among christian marriages. The shame of it is, that all too often people skip over these passages or try to manipulate them to give them a license to sin and do what they want to do in the end anyway. So many convince themselves that God doesn't want them to be unhappy so they take that and run with it. Marriage is a huge committment and alot of work. Without God as the head of the marriage it is nearly impossible to make it work. I wish that christian couples would set a standard here but sadly, divorce rates among christians are the same as that among nonchristians. I am curious to know your thoughts though about divorce in cases of abuse and "irreconcilable differences" that so many refer to. Do you see provision in God's word for such instances...curious as to your thoughts about this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shyguy Posted April 13, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 89 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/09/1974 Author Share Posted April 13, 2005 "Irreconsible differences" This is such a subjective term. I would be hard pressed to think of scriptual backing of such a general term. I would have to say most if not all "differences" can be settled, but pride and selfishness gets in the way. A simple answer is no. God doesnt provide relief in the form of divorce just because a couple doesnt get along. Abuse is a much more sensitive topic. I am in no way advocating someone should be forced to live with an abusive spouse. Pack up and LEAVE if the situation calls for that. Find a new place to live or stay with someone else. If you are to be reconcilled then be it with your spouse. If the other spouse files for divorce then remain unmarried and in harmony with God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bro David™ Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 "Irreconsible differences" This is such a subjective term. I would be hard pressed to think of scriptual backing of such a general term. I would have to say most if not all "differences" can be settled, but pride and selfishness gets in the way. A simple answer is no. God doesnt provide relief in the form of divorce just because a couple doesnt get along. Abuse is a much more sensitive topic. I am in no way advocating someone should be forced to live with an abusive spouse. Pack up and LEAVE if the situation calls for that. Find a new place to live or stay with someone else. If you are to be reconcilled then be it with your spouse. If the other spouse files for divorce then remain unmarried and in harmony with God. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am saving ya post in case I need to use it in future. Very wholesome view on marriage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyc Posted April 13, 2005 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 37 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/22/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13, 2005 (edited) John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 1Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. ...Many hear the truth, but are never purified by it, because they will not submit to it or obey it. The Spirit of God is the great agent in the purification of man's soul. The Spirit convinces the soul of its impurities, furnishes those virtues and graces that both adorn and purify, such as faith (Acts 15:9), hope (1 John 3:3), the fear of God (Psalm 34:9), and the love of Jesus Christ. The Spirit excites our endeavours, and makes them successful. The aid of the Spirit does not supersede our own industry; these people purified their own souls, but it was not through the Spirit. The souls of Christians must be purified before they can so much as love one another unfeignedly. There are such lusts and partialities in man's nature that without divine grace we can neither love God nor one another as we ought to do; there is no charity but out of a pure heart. It is the duty of all Christians sincerely and fervently to love one another. Our affection to one another must be sincere and real, and it must be fervent, constant, and extensive....the duty of loving one another with a pure heart fervently from the consideration of their spiritual relation; they are all born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, etc... (Matthew Henry Commentary) The above Scripture and commentary speak of and describe born again people of God. How much more it should pertain to a man and a woman who would commit to marriage; a lifetime together as one. We should search ourself in the Scripture to see how we measure up. Do we really behave like we are born again as the Word describes a new creature. (2Cr. 5:17) Jesus said divorce was permitted because of the "hardness of your heart" (Mark 10:5), even though God did not want divorce from the beginning. Jesus goes on to say,"What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder." (Mark 10:9). Our Bible tells us not to be unequally yoked (2Cr. 6:14), so the choice here is ours. Not all marriages are put together by God. Only those marriages He has joined together, must holdfast to the commandment of Mark 10:9. Only true, born again Christians must holdfast to all God's commandments. Edited April 13, 2005 by johnnyc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bro David™ Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Our Bible tells us not to be unequally yoked (2Cr. 6:14), so the choice here is ours. Not all marriages are put together by God. Only those marriages He has joined together, must holdfast to the commandment of Mark 10:9. Only true, born again Christians must holdfast to all God's commandments. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Greetings In Christ, Well you are right in one perspective. That is to say that not all marriages are made and sealed by God. However with regards to the institution of Marriage. Matthew 19:6-7 Therefore they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. They said to Him, Why did Moses then command to give a bill of divorce and to put her away? He said to them, Because of your hard-heartedness Moses allowed you to put away your wives; but from the beginning it was not so. Divorce was never an option. Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh. It was the institution of marriage that was being addressed by these verses not the singular human choice to be married. Heb 13:4 Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled, but fornicators and adulterers God will judge. 1Corin 7:2 But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband. Leading to the belive that God was referring to Marriage has a whole and thus laying the law. Not into a singular decision by two people and creating a void in the Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted April 14, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Shy, Good topic! It seems marriage these days is treated like yesterday's newspaper-something that can be discarded when you don't want it anymore. How many Hollywood celebrities do we hear about that have been married multiple times? Standard everyday fare in the afternoon is a show called Divorce Court. What a sad state of affairs we've gotten into. However, I do take a different stance on the idea of remarriage. While I certainly do not take variance with what the Scripture says, I don't see any Biblical injunction against remarriage where a marriage ended in divorce due to the unfaithfulness of a spouse or desertion (Pauline Privilege as it's known). That would almost seem a punishment to the offended party. I'm certainly not advocating remarriage in any instance of divorce, just saying I don't think in this case remarriage is a sin. Paul said in the case of desertion, the believer was under no bondage in such cases. What about those who remarry after committing adultery or walking out a marriage for no reason? Is God's arm too short to forgive? It's not the unpardonable sin. I'm not advocating a "get out of jail free" attitude that you can go do it and then expect God to forgive-by no means. Look at David and Bathsheba; even after committing adultery with her, he still stayed with her in marriage and was called a man after God's own heart nonetheless. My next point can be made into it's own topic if one of our fine mod's think this too off of the topic. I noticed the issue of abuse coming up and I would really like to say something. Abuse, in whatever form, is an awful thing to live with. It seems that when one says "abuse" it's automatically judged to be a "man thing." As far as physical violence I doubt there are too many women who are abusers in that sense, but there are women who can emotionally and verbally abuse just as bad as a man can-I've lived through it. When someone destroys your trust in them and keeps on telling you lie after lie, that's abuse IMO. *Ron steps off of his soapbox* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bro David™ Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Shy, Good topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VRSpock Posted April 14, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 304 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/24/1971 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I'm afraid I have to disagree with the view that no one can remarry. I was forced into divore by my ex-wife. She filed without even consulting me on the issue and did so under the will of her parents. I had never planned on getting divorced. It went against everything I believed. The Lord showed me several verses with regards to my situation: 1 corinthians 7:12-15 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace." This allowed me to accept the divorce under this scripture. For who is responsible for the divorce (meaning the person who either physcially committed adultry, was abusive or did something like what my ex-wife did) inevitably their relationship with Christ can only be in serious question as a result of their own actions. I truly believe it is NOT God's will for a marriage to end in divorce. However, I also believe that it is possible to marry outside of the will of God. Anything done outside of His will can only end in death and destruction....and marriages are no exception to this. It is true...that according to Christ, if a husband and wife divorce and remarry, that they have both committed adultry. Christ also says that whosoever has had an angry thought toward another has committed murder within their own heart. Or whosoever has looked upon a member of the opposite sex in a lustful way has already committed adultry within their own heart. The fact of the matter is that we are all adulterers, murderers and idolaters. We are all born as filthy wrags before the eyes of God and it is only through Christ that we are cleansed of our sins. Even Christ said in John 10:8 "All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers" We are all thieves and robbers...by our very nature. So when someone sites scripture that a divorce can only be scriptural if adultry is involved, fails to realize that we are all adulterers by Christ's own words. God's expectations are so high that it is impossible for any person to meet His expectations except one.....Christ. The problem I have with the notion that anyone who is divorced and/or remarries fails God is that those who believe that fail to realize that we all fail God by default. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vrjenny Posted April 14, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 101 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/20/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/20/1978 Share Posted April 14, 2005 shyguy, i have to disagree or bring my side up at least.... i came from a marriage that started out with whom i thought was a christian...well, to save time..i will say he wasn't... He abused me but being one who did not believe in divorce..i stayed with him... we were married six years and i was abused (mentally, physically, verbally, emotionally) everyday for 5 of them... he also abused our son for the last 1 and a half... He abused him physically and verbally... yet, i still did not leave him...i was looked upon as a horrible mother for allowing it to happen... but i prayed that it would all get better. On Jan. 1 , 2002 he left us while we where still asleep... i looked for him but, he had ran to another state... I tried to get us back together..but he wanted no part of it... I remained married to him for another year and a half...in which i tried to justify how a divorce could happen. I hated the idea of being divorced... it was against God's Word as i read it. Well, the divorce happened... and afterwards i did a lot of praying and improving my life with the Lord.... Now, if i understand you say that Fred and I are against God's will.... well, I believe that by following God's will is what brought us together. Are you saying that our testimony of getting together here at Worthy...is actually false in some way.... oops then i better let George know that we will have to decline the idea of posting a story on her about it... I may be coming across rude and if i am well, i apologize.... It just hits a nerve when i know how much prayer and talking with the Lord we did before we just jumped right on in to remarriage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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