LAWS of Jesus

[mven222]

10 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

The Laws of Moses are the laws of man, ie. not God.
 

Wrong.

God gave laws through Moses to the house of Israel.

The purpose of the Mosaic Law was to accomplish the following:

(1) Reveal the holy character of the eternal God to the nation of Israel (Leviticus 19:2; 20:7-8).

(2) Set apart the nation of Israel as distinct from all the other nations (Exodus 19:5).

(3) Reveal the sinfulness of man (Galatians 3:19). The Law was good and holy (Romans 7:12).

(4) Provide forgiveness through the sacrifice/offerings (Leviticus 1-7) for the people who had faith in the Lord in the nation of Israel.

(5) Provide a way of worship for the community of faith through the yearly feasts (Leviticus 23).

(6) Provide God’s direction for the physical and spiritual health of the nation (Exodus 21-23; Deuteronomy 6:4–19; Psalm 119:97–104).

Listen to my conversation with my Jewish brothers Abraham and Alan about the Laws of God and how to implement these laws effectively.

 

Alan,

Abraham said: “Sin is the transgression of the law. Thus, the law of God is how a saved man lives, not how a lost man becomes saved.”

 

He is RIGHT. Saved by grace through faith SO THAT we can live lawfully or GODLY life OBEYING the God of Israel. But we should NOT forget what is the purpose of the law.

So, what is the purpose of the law?

And WHY we receive God’s Righteousness ONLY Through Faith and NOT through the LAW!?

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.

(It means God imputed us the righteousness of God through FAITH in the Son of God!!!)

For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3

It means that on the Cross, the Son of God took our sins/the sin of the world to His HOLY body to make us FREE of our sins!

Why did Jesus save us by His BLOOD?

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

It means that if we will observe 613 mitzvot (commandments) of the law, can we be RIGHTEOUS? What is the purpose to observe these 613 laws of the Torah?

The problem is we cannot be RIGHTEOUS through observance of these laws, because the Lawgiver Jesus made us FREE from sins and RIGHTEOUS people!

Then what was the purpose of the law?

Purpose of the Law:

¹⁹ What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. ²⁰ Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

²¹ Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. ²² But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. ²³ But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. ²⁴ Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. ²⁵ But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Galatians 3.

Alan, it means we are NO LONGER under a tutor/law! Why? To live in sexual immorality? Making sex with children? Certainly NOT!

Thus, the law of God is how a saved man lives, not how a lost man becomes saved.”

A SAVED man THROUGH His FAITH in the Son of God lives according to God’s laws trying to live a GODLY life and OBEYING God. To get forgiveness of sins through this observation of laws? No! The Son of God forgave us and set us free. What is the GREATEST commandment/law of God?

LOVE. We should love people and brothers and God and enemies!

Moreover, we should obey the Lord more than just following the laws! How?!

Galatians 5

Christian Liberty

5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. ² Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. ³ And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. ⁴ You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. ⁵ For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. ⁶ For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

Alan, do you understand what is written here? If you will TRY to get justification of your sins through obedience to the LAW then it means you have FALLEN from grace! Because though GRACE/FAITH in the Son of God we are justified! Our FAITH is working through LOVE toward people and God!

Love Fulfills the Law:

13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! Galatians 5

Walking in the Spirit

¹⁶ I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. ¹⁷ For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. ¹⁸ But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

¹⁹ Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, ²⁰ idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, ²¹ envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

²² But the fruit of the Spirit is

love,

joy,

peace,

longsuffering,

kindness,

goodness,

faithfulness,

²³ gentleness,

self-control.

Against such there is no law. ²⁴ And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. ²⁵ If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. ²⁶ Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Galatians 5

Alan, it means we have to  implement these qualities described above in our earthly lives! It is called to WALK in the Spirit!

So, if we OBEY the words of God/His laws above LOVING people then we can NOT violate the laws of God in the Torah and thus, our FAITH make us to implement the LAW/words/commandments of God. Again:

“Sin is the transgression of the law. Thus, the law of God is how a saved man lives, not how a lost man becomes saved.”

Thus, again:

The Law Brings a Curse

¹⁰ For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”¹¹ But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” ¹² Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”

¹³ Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), ¹⁴ that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Galatians 3

My foolish Jews, Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Do you want Alan, to be PERFECTED by flesh?! Obeying the law?! Remember Alan:

the Son of God with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place in the Heavenly Sanctuary once for all, having obtained eternal redemption for those who BELIEVE in Him!

And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. We are forgiven, Alan! The Son of God forgave our sins to WALK in the Spirit living a GODLY Life and APPLYING God’s standards for life which even EXCEED what is written in the Law!

31 Do we then make void the law through faith?
Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
Romans 3

This is the TRUE interpretation of the HOLY Bible and words of God and God’s plan for our lives! Do you understand that now?

Galatians 3

Justification by Faith

3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? ² This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? ³ Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? ⁴ Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

⁵ Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— ⁶ just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” ⁷ Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. ⁸ And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” ⁹ So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

Hebrews 9

The Earthly Sanctuary

9 Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary. ² For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; ³ and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, ⁴ which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant; ⁵ and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.

Limitations of the Earthly Service

⁶ Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle, performing the services. ⁷ But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; ⁸ the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. ⁹ It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— ¹⁰ concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.

The Heavenly Sanctuary

¹¹ But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. ¹² Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. ¹³ For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, ¹⁴ how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? ¹⁵ And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

The Mediator’s Death Necessary

¹⁶ For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. ¹⁷ For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. ¹⁸ Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. ¹⁹ For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, ²⁰ saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.” ²¹ Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. ²² And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

Greatness of Christ’s Sacrifice

²³ Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. ²⁴ For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; ²⁵ not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— ²⁶ He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. ²⁷ And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, ²⁸ so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

 

 

[mven222]

15 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

 

Healed, glad to see you here. Finally you got here..lol

Blessings.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, mven222 said:

Hi  my friend,

I gave you my response already. Read above.

No, you didnt' give a response.   You deflected from it and started talking about sexual immorality.   You have never said categorically if keeping the Sabbath day is necessary for salvation.

Is it?   Can you give a simple yes or no????   You appear to be too afraid to give that answer.

[John Robinson]

Of course she's afraid. If she shows her true colors (and given her slipperiness so far, that's a really big if) and says "yes", then her time on this site can be measured in minutes.

[mven222]

46 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

If he was actually saved, he would have turned from his profession, no matter what that cost him, homelessness and all.

Just stating that a conversion does not cement one's relationship with Christ.  That is the first step, with many to follow.

He failed to follow through and now you want to fix that.  Satan has his grip upon this soul and you are blameless about that wickedness (ie. killing further).

Eilen,

God will consider his case. Protection of people is not always a crime.

However his repentance and faith being a Christian was not long. He was injured when I commanded him to go to police. A police officer started shooting... Being wounded, his body was torn by bullets, but he escaped death lying in his blood on a cemetery and drawing a ring by his blood with a Cross and the Star of David inside and a Cross on the walls of a grave to pray there to Jesus...

He prayed DAILY to my God. God saved his life. Now to be with God he needs to ABANDON weapon trade and murders. Will he do that? May be. I pray about his salvation today and now as before. May God save him. I am not with him anymore because he wished so.... But God still watches him and calls him to repentance.

 

Edited December 27, 2017 by mven222

[mven222]

15 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

"Protection" is your thought, but is that God's/Jesus's teaching, ie. that killing is a form of protecting?  .... or is it just killing for satan?

Here are the verses on this topic:

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-killing/

Ex:  Romans 12:19

"19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord."

 

Eilen,

I want to share with you my conversation with Muslims about killings. It is very long, may be you will read it until the end..lol

Anyway get it:

 

The HOLY Laws of God

 

Brothers,

Today  I had a very interesting conversation with my friend and brother Eddy Nirwanna,

Eddy said:

 

“I'd like to respond to your file one point at a time, in order we can catch the essence. Bible teaches : "....But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. ..."

 

Hopefully this simple discussion can open your mind, that the above teaching explained BY CHURCH is NOT REALISTIC, NOT APPLICABLE, NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH COMMON SENSE. Churches have MISUNDERSTOOD the word of Jesus! Do you think God, the creator earth & sky, will burden you or any people with the order which you cannot carry? God is oft-knowing and oft-wise, He will never....never fall to any slightest mistake at all (that is the very firm belief in Islam!).”

Eddy, do not forget that the God of Israel is not a man and His laws are SUPREME!!!!! These laws institute the will of God on earth. Moreover they describe the nature of God.  That’s why knowing what God says in His laws we are able to know Him and make Him known by living as God says. God commands us not to kill and you say that this law of God is not realistic! Is this law not applicable? This law is applicable in the Kingdom of God on earth- i.e. in the lives of Christians! That’s why we forget sins/crimes to other people even if they rape and kill our sisters. We do it “bismi Ibn Allah”, “bismi Yassua”….in the name of our Creator Jesus! These laws of God are HOLY! That’s why God wrote them by His finger on the tablets of stone and gave them to the prophet Moses. Why? To keep them in the Holy Ark of the Covenant? Do you know that there were the Ark of the Covenant and the place called the Holy of Holiest in the Jewish Temple? Do you remember that Muslims constructed the mosque Al Aqsa on the territory of the Holy Jewish Temple? So, the God’s presence was in the Ark of the Covenant (there were placed tablets of stone with 10 holy Commandments given to Moses and written by God…) and God was said to have communicated with Moses "from between the two cherubim" on the Ark's cover.

Such ancient communication line with God.

Jewish priests died when they approached the Holy of Holies (the Ark was inside of this place in the Jewish Temple)? Because they went into the presence of God by being not repented of their sins. No sinner can stand in the presence of God!

 Do you know that in the beginning Arabs prayed as Jews in the direction of Israel. But  Muhammad changed the direction of prayers and even physically Muslims TURNED from God of their fathers, from God of ISRAEL! Thus, Islamic counterfeit created by demons/jinns deceived Arabs and Muslims!  And Muslims literally TURNED from God of Israel and started worshiping of the false god created by demons/jinns in Islam. But now at least you know the background and reasons of direction toward God for first prayers of Arabs.

So, the God decided to be the God of one group of people called as Jews and to spread His laws to other nations through Jews. How did that happen? Let me remind you about that too.

God commanded Moses to go to Egypt and deliver his fellow Hebrews from bondage.  Why? Where they all believers in the God of Israel/God of their forefather Abraham?  Of course not all of them worshipped and prayed to the God of Israel. They were what we call today “nominal” believers or “fake” believers who just prefer not to obey God. So, the God of forefather Ibrahim/Abraham commanded Moses deliver his fellow Hebrews/descendants of Abraham from their bondage in Egypt.  Moses did it accompanied by many miracles of God and God’s presence during Judgment of Egypt.  When God lived among Israelis in the wilderness after their exodus from Egypt, Moses should get from God the HOLY Laws. Moses stayed on the mountain Sinai for 40 days and nights, a period in which he received the Ten Commandments directly from God. One of these HOLY laws reads: “You shall not kill”. But when Moses descended from the mountain with intent to deliver the commandments to the people, but upon his arrival he saw that the people were involved in the sin of idol worship of the Golden Calf. In terrible anger, Moses broke the commandment tablets and ordered his own tribe/the Levites to go through the camp and kill everyone, including family and friends, upon which the Levites killed about 3,000 people. So, in fact Moses was a killer! But he was a killer before God gave His HOLY laws to people! And this murder of Jews was a symbol that all people will die who desire to RETURN to the place of their bondage/slavery “Egypt”. If people will not follow the God of Israel they will finally perish. Because another law of God reads: “The punishment for sin is DEATH.” What is that? This law is also as you said: “NOT REALISTIC, NOT APPLICABLE, NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH COMMON SENSE.” This law describes the nature of God- He is LOVE but at the same time He is Justice. How to reconcile these features of the nature of God? God should punish us for our sins by death. But at the same time He LOVES us infinitely. How to be MERCIFUL? Ar- Rahman wa ar-Rahim? It is another feature of His essence/nature. Our brother Sazie Johnson describes it in the wonderful way. Let’s listen to him:

On the cross- righteousness and peace have kissed each other:

“This much we know about “Justice” and “Mercy”: They oppose each other. I think it can be properly said, “When Justice walks in by way of the front door, Mercy flies out the window; and when Mercy walks in by way of the front door Justice flies out the window.” The two cannot meet; and the two cannot co-exist. Like two opposing enemies “Mercy” and “Justice” will continue to avoid each other, or push against each other. It is the natural order (flow) of things — where Justice is displayed, Mercy fades away; and where Mercy is displayed, Justice fades away. But then there is God who lives outside the “natural order of things”. He not only governs the “Law of Nature”, but it is His Laws which nature must obey.

There is only one time in all the ages when “Mercy” and “Justice” met at a single point, and neither one faded away. It was a remarkable display of Wisdom on the part of God when His Justice and His Mercy rushed at a single point and kissed each other. Such a thing has never been done before, nor will it ever happen again.

God says this about Himself in the ancient Book of Malachi 3:6: “For I am the Lord, I change not…” This means since God is a “God of Love”, He cannot change in any way, shape, or form in His love. It also means God is fixed (un-changeable) in His love — He cannot increase in His love; and He cannot decrease in His love. To either increase or to decrease in His love is to change the condition of God. (“For I am the Lord, I change not…”)

God is also a “God of Compassion”. Again God cannot change in His compassion. The level of compassion which God had from the beginning of the ages cannot increase or decrease with time. In fact God has a “Nature” within Himself that compares (forces) Him to remain unchanged and consistent in all His Attributes. God is a “God of Mercy”. His “Un-changeable Nature” cannot allow Him to increase in His Mercy or to decrease in His Mercy. The “Mercy of God” is just what it is for all times — the “Mercy of God”. To increase or to decrease in “His Mercy” is to create a change in God which goes against the “Very Nature of God”: “For I am the Lord, I change not…”

God is, and has always been exactly who He is. God cannot change. The God of the ages past is exactly the same as He is today and He will be in the ages to come. Any change in God’s Attributes is to denote a different god who was not like the God of the ages past.

Malachi 3:6 perhaps describes God better than any other verse in Holy Scriptures: “For I am the Lord, I change not…” There is no other god known to man who has consistently spoken about his “un-changeability” as the Biblical God. The reason is because there is no other god like the Biblical God who is fixed (permanent) within His Nature (condition). He cannot change for the better, or for the worst. Whatever He was, He is today, and will always be.

Now that raises a problem: “Since Justice and Mercy cannot meet and co-exist, how does God deal with the sins of man in His Mercy and still remains un-changed in His Justice?”

Friends, I can tell you that this is not an easy task. It is a God-size task. If God forgives man of his sins simply because God wants to display His Mercy, it means God must first lower His Standard of Justice at the expense of His Mercy. This will bring about a change in God, because He now regards His Mercy far more important than He regards His Justice. This cannot happen because in order for God to remain “un-changed”, He must uphold His Mercy as equally as He upholds His Justice. Neither one (His Mercy or His Justice) must suffer at the expense of the other.

This brings us to a God-size question: Since Justice and Mercy oppose each other, and cannot meet at a single point, how then does God display His Mercy toward man while simultaneously (at the same time) equally upholding His Justice against man for his sins?

2000 years ago this question was answered at “The Cross” — the gruesome (bloody) Cross of Calvary. It is there upon which God displayed His Justice (rage, anger, fury) against the sins of man while at the very same time demonstrating His Mercy toward mankind. It is at the Cross where both Justice and Mercy met for the first and only time, and neither one opposed the other. This is remarkable — this has never happened before, and it will never happen again.

At “The Cross” while upholding His Very Own Characters: “For I am the Lord, I change not…”God bend the “Arch of Mercy” and the “Arch of Justice” made them to meet at a single point in order to save mankind. No human being can accomplish such a monumental feet; and certainly no other god known to man has the Wisdom and the Power to display his mercy as equally as while expounding his justice. All other gods will have to switch between roles by displaying mercy and justice at different time period, but never displaying both simultaneously. Only the Biblical God can make such a God-size task possible. We can therefore say, “There is no god, but God.”

This is not something new to God. He spoke about it 12 centuries before it happened. Psalm 85:10 reads, “Mercy and truth (Justice) are met; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.” At “The Cross”, and for this one purpose, God changed the natural order of things so that Mercy and Justice not only met without conflict, but righteousness and peace also kissed each other. And in all this God remains true to His word: “For I am the Lord, I change not…”

For those of you who are looking forward for God to change in His Justice or to lower His Justice at the expense of His Mercy in order to save you, I give you Malachi 3:6: “For I am the Lord, I change not…” I also give you John 1:12: “For as many as received Him (Christ Jesus) to them He gives the power to become sons of God, even to them that believe in His name.”” By Sazie Johnson.

So, God later commanded Moses to inscribe two other tablets, to replace the ones Moses smashed, so Moses went to the mountain again, for another period of 40 days and nights, and when he returned, the commandments were finally given. From that time the HOLY laws of God should be implemented by Jews and God held people accountable for their violation. And God is judging people today by the same laws. These laws are the HOLY Shariah laws for Jews and Christians. But why Muslims and Muhammad in his created false religion Islam so BOLDLY violated these laws? Let’s consider that too:

So, as we know now the God of Israel forbids any violence! In Jewish tradition, Moses is referred to as "The Lawgiver" for this singular achievement of delivering the Ten Commandments.

Let me remind you that the HOLY God of Israel cannot dwell in the presence of murderers, sinners, criminals. That’s why He commands us to be HOLY as He is HOLY! Why? He cannot tolerate our sins. Tolerance of our sins is crime too and it is unacceptable to God! It is impossible for Him to commit any sin!!! His name and nature is JUSTICE and LOVE and HOLINESS. That’s why according to the ancient Scripture, God sent people out of paradise. A sinner Adam abandoned the Holy God of Israel because sins of Adam separated Him from the Holiness of God! God is not a killer or criminal to tolerate our sins and dwell with killers and criminals/sinners of any kind in His Dwelling Place called as the Kingdom of God!

Will you be among the HOLY sons of God in the Kingdom of God or among the terrorists, killers and murderers, rapists outside of the HOLY dwelling place of God?

It is your choice which determines your destination.

Enter through the Door!

Welcome!

Jesus speaks, “I am the door.

If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” John 10: 9-10

Let’s continue today our consideration of the issue:

Can we kill other people or we are prohibited by God to kill anyone.

Let’s consider an issue of the rape of a sister? What could be our actions in such case and what should be our actions according to the God’s will?

The God of Israel commanded Moses and Israelites to avoid any killing.

God said: “You shall not kill.”

Muslims should kill raped sisters according to Islam.

And in this case a brother or father of this girl become killers too.

But God said that murderers will NEVER inherit the Kingdom of God.

Just imagine: a rapist insulted this girl. He did not kill her. The father/brother killed her. Thus, they both have committed a terrible sin: they destroyed her life and body. That’s why father and brother will NEVER inherit the Kingdom of God.

In fact Islam ordered these both men to kill this girl and Islam is the source of death in this case.

In Palestinian society honor killings of women have not been eliminated. According to Lamiya Shalalda, representative of the Forum of Palestinian Non-Governmental Organizations, 11 women died in 2009 in honor killings in the West Bank and Gaza. However, according to the Independent Authority for Human Rights, that number was 13.

Let’s read the following excerpts from press reports on honor killings in the West Bank and Gaza, published in the Palestinian press:

"Najla A., a 24-year-old divorcee, was strangled by her brother, who was known for his religious fanaticism, when she was staying at his home... Najla worked as a clerk at a Gaza business, and [due to her work] was absent from the home for many hours; this gave rise to many stories about her. Her brother, whose nickname was 'The Sheikh,' could not bear it. Once the murder was discovered, the police arrested him for questioning. Family talks were then held, during which it was whispered in the ear of a senior police official that the matter concerned the family only, and that the woman had needed to be taught a lesson. Later, that police official received a gift – one of [Najla's] brothers, a construction worker, laid 13 meters of flooring for him. The result was that [the killer] was released from prison without anyone batting an eyelid, and without any reaction from those who knew how badly Najla needed the work so that she could buy medicines for her sick mother."

In another incident, a father murdered his daughter Ahlam because she allegedly slept over at the houses of boys. "The social worker who was monitoring Ahlam's situation, who asked to remain anonymous, said that Ahlam had complained to her about her family's strictness and about her fear of her father, because he sexually abused her." After the murder, the father said: "I told her that we were going out for shawarma. I drove her in the car, we had shawarma, and I played for her songs that she loved. She didn't suspect me [of anything]. After we drove a while, I asked her to get out, and she hesitated. When she saw the knife in my hand, she asked, 'Papa, why do you want to murder me?'... The father took advantage of the law that mitigates punishment in such a case, and was released from prison so he could enjoy the pleasures of life and forget the question asked by his daughter: 'Why do you want to murder me?'"

In another case, a mother strangled her teenage daughter, who she discovered had been raped by her uncle when she was little, in order to purge the shame. The uncle remained at liberty. Also, a young man murdered his unmarried sister when he observed that her abdomen had swelled and suspected that she was having sexual relations. Afterwards it turned out that she was a virgin and that her abdomen was swollen due to illness.

Hamada, who is serving a prison sentence for murdering his sister, expressed no regret over his deed, and wasn't interested in the pathologist's report, which determined that his sister had been a virgin. He said: "I turned myself in to the police and I don't care if I'm sentenced even to life in prison, because I believe in what I did." Hamada's brother backed him up: "I didn't know he would murder her, but after he did I wasn't angry at him. None of us were. This is the natural outcome of her actions, which were known to everyone in the neighborhood."

Muslims, Islam kills our Palestinian brothers. Islam kills their Palestinians sisters. Islam is a religion of violence and all who follow Islam will be found guilty during their Judgment Day for their idol worship of the Islamic idol/false god and the violence they have ever committed. Do you remember what I told you yesterday? We, Christians, are prohibited by God not only to harm people but to HATE them!!! Even if we hate people, we are considered by God in this case as murderers!!!! And we NEVER inherit the Kingdom of God in such spiritual state! We need to be changed. We need to be holy to enter the Kingdom of God! We need to get cleansed of all our sins. We need to get a cleansed conscience to be able to exist with the HOLY God in His HOLY place of dwelling. His HOLY place of dwelling is not for sexual orgies in Islamic pavilions of sex as Islam teaches you and not for sexual lust with voluptuous hurries and their pleasant vaginas as Islam teaches you. You even will NEVER dwell there with your ever-erected penises to make constant sex with your three-meter tall lovers. You will NEVER make any sex in the Kingdom of God. Because this is the HOLY DWELLING place of God. Our God is not sexually possessed as your Islam teaches you. Our God is HOLY.  That’s why He is going to judge you not only for your sexual crimes but for your lustful thoughts in your head. Yes, the God of Israel is judging our motives and thoughts too. That’s why He is going to judge every one of us and even our children for their crimes. Let me remind you what I said before:

Surely God could have spared the children when Jews attacked all pagan nations in the Promissed Land/Canaan! People tend to assume that children are innocent, even if their parents are doing bad things. The assumption is unfounded. For example, Palestinian Muslim children are officially taught in grammar school to hate their Jewish neighbors. But the God of Israel said that if you hate you are a murderer!!! Such murderers will NEVER inherit the Kingdom of God. The Muslim children are so well indoctrinated that some of them give up their lives in suicide bombings as children and they are perfect snipers trained in the Hamas military camps to kill Jews. They are not only small children but professional killers. Corruption literally does breed corruption, that’s why God did not want the Israelites tainted by the other corrupt cultures of the Middle East. The God of Israel was preparing the HOLY nation Israel separated from pagan nations, hatred and murders. He was doing that in the Promised Land and He is doing it today on the same HOLY LAND. That’s why He shared with us His decision in the Scripture written 2,000 years before the existence of Islam that Palestine and Gaza will be completely destroyed by God during the Third World War of the Muslim states against Israel.

Do you remember who is the God of Israel? His nature is LOVE and justice, holiness. Have you a difficult time reconciling God's love versus God's righteousness? God's love requires God's justice. God would have been completely just and loving in destroying all of us for our disobedience/crimes/ to Him. He judges rapists and this is His love toward the raped children. It is only through His extraordinary love and grace that we are allowed into His presence. Because we all are criminals. God imputed us the righteousness of His divine and holy Son Jesus who died on the cross and took the sin of the world. He took millions of our sins!!!! That’s why we are holy and able to approach God in our prayer and in afterlife.

So we see that these people, who lived in the Canaan/Promissed Land before the conquest of Jews, are not quite as innocent as you would like you to believe. For these reasons, God ordered the destruction of the peoples whom the Israelites dispossessed. For the same reasons, God is going to destroy Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Gaza and Jordan and Lebanon. Today you know the answer to your question. God’s judgment will judge these Muslim states. That’s why again the Promised Land/the Holy Land, given by God to Israel, will be taken from Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine and given to Jews again for their possession during the millennium reign of Jesus on our planet earth.

We all know that the Iranian radicals are building nuclear weapons and preparing to launch them. The Islamic Republic of Iran declared war on the United States and Israel in 1979. They have since taken Americans hostages. They have murdered Americans in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Afghanistan. They have funded Hezbollah, Hamas, the PLO and other terrorist organizations in Palestine that have murdered Israelis. They are developing nuclear weapons and deliver the missiles to Palestine and Lebanon. Yet Iran has never paid a real price for any of these acts of war....Iran declared its intentions, God the God of Israel declared His intentions regarding to the Iran too. God will kill all Iranian troops which will come to attack Israel during the Third World War.

Let’s consider the following statements made by Iranian Leaders, who are in fact Iranian Radicals, over the years. Note carefully the language of the leading Iranian Radicals. The jihadists do not simply seek to frighten or terrorize the Jewish and American people, they seek to utterly destroy them. They do not simply seek to repudiate or humiliate, they seek to annihilate. They do not know that God’s law which reads: “You shall NOT kill”. Thus, do they follow the TRUE God in Islam? Of course not. Their religion is a false and violent cult aimed at destruction of people and their own lives in the War against the God of Israel. Does Israel and President Obama have a clear and compelling plan to neutralize the Iranian threat? Do any of the GOP presidential candidates? It is time for real leaders to step up and chart an effective way forward, before it is too late. Restoring the Islamic caliphate and building an Islamic empire that literally encompasses the entire globe is the expressed goal of the Radicals, be they Shia Muslims or Sunnis. All Muslims dream about that. But such Empire/ caliphate will be founded only by the God Jesus upon His return to our planet earth. Jesus will reign on our planet for 1,000 years. Then we, Christians, will literately reign with Jesus and we will be prepared to rule the world. Muslims are dreaming about that too. But do they know that God proclaimed 2,000 years before the existence of Islam that Jesus and believers in Him will establish Jesus’ reign? Why Islamic dreams do not coincide with God’s predictions?! Why Islamic behavior does not comply with God’s commands given to Israel and a Jew called Moses? Why do Muslims so boldly violate the laws of the God of Israel and Moses? Why do Muslims do not respect and do not obey the 10 HOLY commandments? God said: “You shall NOT kill.” The Islamic god suddenly said: kill, cut fingers and hands, lie, steal, crucify and behead. That’s why reading 60% of such violent Qur’anic Suras, Muslims go and so BOLDLY disobey and violate the God’s HOLY laws given to Moses and Jews. That’s why all Muslims live abandoned by the God of Israel. They are sinners, killers and no one of Muslims will ever inherit the Kingdom of God. God said that in His law. Jihad/murder has been a goal of every Muslim since the seventh century, when Muhammad, whom Muslims revere as a prophet, walked the earth. But many Radicals today believe it is actually achievable goal for all of them to kill and destroy. Knowing that the end of the world approaches, they hope for the coming of their violent so-called messiah -the Twelfth Imam and that’s why they pursue not peace as God commands us but to cut our heads and explode us. This is the true face of Islam. And every Muslim knows that no matter if he is a secular Muslim or one of the radicals. That’s why God established His HOLY law. NOTE: such simple law: “YOU SHALL NOT KILL.” God established this law to judge radicals, Muslims, Arabs and any one of us who will violate this law. God said: the punishment for violation of His laws is DEATH.

 “The governments of the world should know that . . . Islam will be victorious in all the countries of the world, and Islam and the teachings of the Qur’an will prevail all over the world.” —Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in January 1979

“We must strive to export our Revolution throughout the world.” —Ayatollah Khomeini on March 21, 1980

“We don’t shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world. . . . We must believe in the fact that Islam is not confined to geographical borders, ethnic groups, and nations. It’s a universal ideology that leads the world to justice. . . . We must prepare ourselves to rule the world.” —Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on January 5, 2006

 “It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.” —Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in January 2001

 “One bomb is enough to destroy Israel. . . . In due time the Islamic world will have a military nuclear device.” —Iranian president Rafsanjani in December 2001

“Rafsanjani Says Muslims Should Use Nuclear Weapon against Israel.” —Headline from the Iran Press Service, December 14, 2001

 “Israel must be wiped off the map.” —Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on October 26, 2005

 “God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism.” —Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on October 26, 2005

“Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come, and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started.” —Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on June 2, 2008, marking the 19th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Khomeini

  “Get ready for a world minus the U.S.” —Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on June 4, 2008

Does Israel and President Obama have a clear and compelling plan to neutralize the Iranian threat? They should do that.

Let's consider such cases:

Iran attacks Israel: Should I protect Israel? Yes. I should fight in the Israeli Army against Iran.

Palestine: I am a Palestinian man (a christian). Israeli Army will come to my house. Should I kill Jewish soldiers who will touch my Arab son at the hand, asking him to go with them? No. I am prohibited to kill and damage people. I can only pray to God. Can Palestinians kill Jews? No. they are prohibited by God. The Israeli Army acts according the laws of the state and the main God's laws coincide with Jewish laws. The Palestinian state acts according to the laws Shariah which were based on the words of the false Islamic god. That's why any obedience to the military laws of Palestine (Jihad) is a violation of God's law which reads, "You shall not kill".

All other laws of Palestine, which comply with God's laws and our conscience, we, Christians, can implement in Palestine.

So, we should follow God's laws and not kill people. But we should protect people. Protection is not violence.

We, Jews, can serve in the official Army and then our actions will be measured by God according to His laws. Christian Arabs cannot serve in the Palestinian Army because their laws act against the laws of the God of Israel. The Islamic laws call Muslims to violence and murder of Jews. It is against the laws of God. The God of Israel commanded Jews and any believers in the God to LOVE people and enemies. He gave this law 2,000 years before the existence of Islam. Any rocket sent from Palestine and Gaza to Israel is a crime against people and God.

Look how Israel and Israeli soldiers will fight to protect her people during the Third World War of the Muslim states against Israel:

And the governors of Judah (the modern day Israel) shall say in their heart,

 ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the LORD of hosts, their God.’

 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem.
 “The LORD will save the tents of Judah first,

so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah.

 In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the LORD before them.

 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. Zechariah 12: 5-7

Amazing. God said this prophecy 2,000 years before the existence of Islam about the defeat and complete destruction of the Muslim armies. God said here that people will fight to protect Israel. They will devour the surrounding Armies like a firepan in the woodpile, like the fiery torch in the sheaves. The Jewish people will fight like God and like the Angel of God/the Son of God Jesus. God said: “I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.” During this war they will see the One who was pierced on the cross. Who is He? He is the Son of God Jesus. Jesus will descend with His Army of angels and saints.

Zechariah 12

The Coming Deliverance of Judah

1 The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day,” says the LORD, “I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the LORD of hosts, their God.’ 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem.
7 “The LORD will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. 8 In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the LORD before them. 9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Mourning for the Pierced One

10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; 14 all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

Do you remember that we have considered a prophecy saying that according to the God’s ancient prophecies Jesus should be numbered with the transgressors after His arrest and before His death on the cross. Let’s consider that too:

Jesus said to His disciples that it is enough to have two swords. But why did He say that? He should be arrested and numbered with the transgressors but right before His arrest He was going to teach all of us that we should NOT kill that’s why He healed a man’s ear to show us His last miracle to prove us one more time that He is God. The ancient prophecy, said by God 2,000 years before the birth of Jesus on earth, should be fulfilled in the life of Jesus. This prophecy said that the Messiah should be numbered with the transgressors: “And He was numbered with the transgressors.”

Jesus knew that He should be arrested and considered as a criminal. He said to His disciples to take a sword. For protection? Yes. And to teach us one more time that we should not kill. Because Jesus knew that He should make a last miracle, a healing of a man, in the Gethsemane garden:

“ Lord, shall we strike with the sword?” And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. And He touched his ear and healed him.”Luke 22: 49-50, 51

Jesus said to His 11 Apostles, "If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. For it is written: "And He was numbered with the transgressors"(This is the old prophecy of the prophet Isaiah 53:12) and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in Me. Yes, what is written about Me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See Lord, here are two swords "That is enough." Jesus replied.

Betrayal and Arrest in Gethsemane

 And while He was still speaking, behold, Judas, one of the twelve, with a great multitude with swords and clubs, came from the chief priests and elders of the people.
 Now His betrayer had given them a sign, saying, “Whomever I kiss, He is the One; seize Him.” Immediately he went up to Jesus and said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed Him.
But Jesus said to him, “Friend, why have you come?”
Then they came and laid hands on Jesus and took Him. And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.
But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?”
 In that hour Jesus said to the multitudes, “Have you come out, as against a robber, with swords and clubs to take Me? I sat daily with you, teaching in the temple, and you did not seize Me.  But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.”
Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.

Matthew 26:47-55

And so the reasons that Jesus allowed the disciples to have two swords was so that the Scripture in Isaiah 53:12 ("He was numbered among the transgressors”) would be fulfilled and to teach us that we should NOT kill. Jesus was the God of Peace. He forbids any violence.

Jesus said to Pilate, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But NOW My Kingdom is from another place!" John 18:36

Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back!"

2 Corinthians 10:3,4: "For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are *NOT* the weapons of the world."

Do you say, Eddy, that these laws are unreasonable? In Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

No. These laws show and prove the HOLINESS of the God of Israel and demonstrate us His HOLY nature- Holiness, Mercy, Love and Justice. Let me share with you what a well-known Muslim Umar ibn Al-Khattab, said before his death. He was the most powerful of the four Rashidun Caliphs and one of the most powerful and influential Muslim rulers in history. So, before his death he said:

“Be kind and generous to the Muhajirun and the Ansar. Those out of them who are good, be good to them; those who are bad overlook their lapses. Be good to the people of the conquered lands. They are the outer line of our defense; they are the target of the anger and distress of our enemies. They contribute to our revenues. They should be taxed only on their surplus wealth. Be gracious to the Bedouins as they are the backbone of the Arab nation. I instruct you to be good to the Dhimmis for they are your responsibility. Do not tax them beyond their capacity. Ensure that they pay the Jizya without undue inconvenience. Fear God, and in all that you do keep His pleasure in view. In the matter of people fear God, and in the matter of Allah do not be afraid of the people. With regard to the people, I enjoin upon you to administer justice with an even hand. See that all the legitimate requirements of the people are met. Be concerned for their welfare. Ensure the safety of their person and property. See that the frontiers of our domains are not violated. Take strong steps to guard the frontiers. In the matter of administration do not prefer the rich to the poor. Be hard against those who violate the law. Show them no mercy. Do not rest content until you have brought the miscreants to book. Treat all the people as equal. Be a pillar of strength for those who are weak and oppressed. Those who are strong but do wrong, make them pay for their wrong-doings. In the distribution of booty and other matters be above nepotism. Let no consideration of relationship or selfish interest weigh with you. The Satan is at large; it may tempt you. Rise above all temptations and perform your duties in accordance with the injunctions of Islam. Get guidance from the Holy Quran and Sunnah. Freely consult the wise men around you. Apply your own mind in difficult cases, and seek light from God. Be simple in your living and your habits. Let there be no show or ostentation about you. Lead life as a model Muslim. As you are the leader of the Muslims, justify your leadership by being the best among them all. May God bless you.”

Remember, Eddy, the only weapons that Christian saints/believers may use who follow the New Covenant commands of Jesus is the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God.

But in case of a war, we should join the army becoming professional soldiers/killers because we should defend other people with a gun. Yes, God will give us victory. But it is our duty to protect our children and wives when Muslim Arabs will enter our houses to ravish our children and wives. God will defend us and we will join Him to defend our families. This Third World War of the Muslim states will be the God’s war and our war when we will judge the nations for their crimes which they will enter our houses to ravish our families. Muslims should kill their raped daughters and they call it as honor killings. We should protect our daughters and NEVER kill them or allow killing them. During the Third World War, to help us, Israel, the God Jesus will destroy by cataclysms all Muslim states and troops which will come to attack Israel.

Ephesians 6:17 "And take the helmet of salvation, and the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God!"

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is living and active, Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart!"

Brothers, we should protect our countries and do it ONLY in the case if the actions of our countries comply with the laws of God and our conscience.

Let me remind you that Moses killed a group of Jews in the wilderness who wanted to return to their slavery of Egypt. Moses was a killer in this case who authorized this killing. Why? He should protect his people and teach them that life without God is DEATH and destruction.

HOW can you say you love your neighbor as yourself if you saw them being attacked and you did not attempt to stop it???

I am a Palestinian man (a christian). Israeli Army will come to my house. Should I kill Jewish soldiers who will touch my Arab son at the hand? No. I am prohibited to kill and damage people. I can only pray to God. Can Palestinians kill Jews? No. They are prohibited to do it by God. The Israeli Army acts according the laws of the state and the main God's laws coincide with Jewish laws. The Palestinian state acts according to the laws Shariah which were based on the word of the false god. That's why any obedience to the military laws of Palestine (Jihad) is a violation of God's law which reads, "You shall not kill".

All other laws of Palestine, which comply with God's laws and our conscience, we can implement.

So, we should follow God's laws and do not kill people. But we should protect people. Protection is not violence.

We can serve in the official Army and then our actions will be measured by God according to His laws. We cannot serve in the Palestinian Army because their laws act against the laws of the God of Israel. Their laws call Muslims to violence and murder of Jews. It is against the laws of God. Any rocket sent from Palestine and Gaza to Israel is a crime against people and God.

So, brothers, no matter if we are Palestinian Christians, or Palestinian Muslims living in Palestine or Jews or Americans or if we live in Africa, the God’s laws should be implemented in our world no matter what are the borders of our countries. Our world is our ‘country’ and the God’s laws are in force there. That’s why His law “You shall NOT kill” is universal. And any Muslim should be subject to it. That’s why God will judge any Palestinian suicide killer, any Muslim Hamas fighter and any Jewish soldier who will commit military crimes. But we have right to protect our people. We are to protect our children and God’s forbids killing them! That’s why the Islamic law of honor killing becomes a madness. Because it violates the God’s laws. How should we govern our lives? According to the HOLY God’s laws. He commands us to love our enemies, all people and pursue peace. He commands us to stop any violence and protect the lives of people. That’s why He Himself is going to stop any violence of Muslims in Israel during the Third World War and protect the lives of people. Why? Because God is LOVE and JUSTICE and PEACE. Do you follow this perfect God of Israel? Or do still follow your Islamic god who commands you to kill, hate and explode people? Any law, which is against the HOLY laws of the God of Israel, was issued by the false gods/demons. Are you their followers? Are you a follower of the false religion Islam? Are you a follower of the one of the false religions of this world? Just remember, that by being the sinner and follower of the false religion Islam, you will NEVER reach the Kingdom of God. Because the Door to the Kingdom of God is Jesus.

 Then Jesus said to them again,

 “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

 All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy.

I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

John 10: 7-10

 

 

Seventh Trumpet: The Kingdom Proclaimed

 Then the seventh angel sounded:

And there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

 “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying:

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 11: 15-19

 

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, mven222 said:

Healed, glad to see you here. Finally you got here..lol

Blessings.

Yes finally.......sister I seem to be slower than most even on a good day, if I even get in two or three comments in a day I'm doing pretty well.......and I was having to do a big fancy Christmas dinner for my family yesterday.  I think this might have to be my last year to cook a Christmas feast......might just order the "festive special" from Swiss Chalet next year, lol !   (that's a popular chicken restaurant chain where I live).  You be blessed too! 

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, mven222 said:

Wrong.

God gave laws through Moses to the house of Israel.

The purpose of the Mosaic Law was to accomplish the following:

(1) Reveal the holy character of the eternal God to the nation of Israel (Leviticus 19:2; 20:7-8).

(2) Set apart the nation of Israel as distinct from all the other nations (Exodus 19:5).

(3) Reveal the sinfulness of man (Galatians 3:19). The Law was good and holy (Romans 7:12).

(4) Provide forgiveness through the sacrifice/offerings (Leviticus 1-7) for the people who had faith in the Lord in the nation of Israel.

(5) Provide a way of worship for the community of faith through the yearly feasts (Leviticus 23).

(6) Provide God’s direction for the physical and spiritual health of the nation (Exodus 21-23; Deuteronomy 6:4–19; Psalm 119:97–104).

Listen to my conversation with my Jewish brothers Abraham and Alan about the Laws of God and how to implement these laws effectively.

 

 

 

Alan,

 

Abraham said: “Sin is the transgression of the law. Thus, the law of God is how a saved man lives, not how a lost man becomes saved.”

 

 

 

He is RIGHT. Saved by grace through faith SO THAT we can live lawfully or GODLY life OBEYING the God of Israel. But we should NOT forget what is the purpose of the law.

 

So, what is the purpose of the law?

 

And WHY we receive God’s Righteousness ONLY Through Faith and NOT through the LAW!?

 

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.

 

(It means God imputed us the righteousness of God through FAITH in the Son of God!!!)

For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3

 

It means that on the Cross, the Son of God took our sins/the sin of the world to His HOLY body to make us FREE of our sins!

 

Why did Jesus save us by His BLOOD?

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

 

It means that if we will observe 613 mitzvot (commandments) of the law, can we be RIGHTEOUS? What is the purpose to observe these 613 laws of the Torah?

 

The problem is we cannot be RIGHTEOUS through observance of these laws, because the Lawgiver Jesus made us FREE from sins and RIGHTEOUS people!

 

Then what was the purpose of the law?

 

Purpose of the Law:

 

¹⁹ What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. ²⁰ Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

 

²¹ Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. ²² But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. ²³ But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. ²⁴ Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. ²⁵ But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Galatians 3.

 

Alan, it means we are NO LONGER under a tutor/law! Why? To live in sexual immorality? Making sex with children? Certainly NOT!

 

Thus, the law of God is how a saved man lives, not how a lost man becomes saved.”

 

A SAVED man THROUGH His FAITH in the Son of God lives according to God’s laws trying to live a GODLY life and OBEYING God. To get forgiveness of sins through this observation of laws? No! The Son of God forgave us and set us free. What is the GREATEST commandment/law of God?

 

LOVE. We should love people and brothers and God and enemies!

 

Moreover, we should obey the Lord more than just following the laws! How?!

 

Galatians 5

 

Christian Liberty

 

5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. ² Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. ³ And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. ⁴ You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. ⁵ For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. ⁶ For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

 

Alan, do you understand what is written here? If you will TRY to get justification of your sins through obedience to the LAW then it means you have FALLEN from grace! Because though GRACE/FAITH in the Son of God we are justified! Our FAITH is working through LOVE toward people and God!

 

Love Fulfills the Law:

 

13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! Galatians 5

 

Walking in the Spirit

 

¹⁶ I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. ¹⁷ For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. ¹⁸ But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

 

¹⁹ Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, ²⁰ idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, ²¹ envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

²² But the fruit of the Spirit is

 

love,

 

joy,

 

peace,

 

longsuffering,

 

kindness,

 

goodness,

 

faithfulness,

 

²³ gentleness,

 

self-control.

 

Against such there is no law. ²⁴ And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. ²⁵ If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. ²⁶ Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Galatians 5

 

Alan, it means we have to  implement these qualities described above in our earthly lives! It is called to WALK in the Spirit!

 

So, if we OBEY the words of God/His laws above LOVING people then we can NOT violate the laws of God in the Torah and thus, our FAITH make us to implement the LAW/words/commandments of God. Again:

 

“Sin is the transgression of the law. Thus, the law of God is how a saved man lives, not how a lost man becomes saved.”

 

Thus, again:

 

The Law Brings a Curse

 

¹⁰ For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”¹¹ But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” ¹² Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”

 

¹³ Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), ¹⁴ that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Galatians 3

 

My foolish Jews, Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Do you want Alan, to be PERFECTED by flesh?! Obeying the law?! Remember Alan:

 

the Son of God with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place in the Heavenly Sanctuary once for all, having obtained eternal redemption for those who BELIEVE in Him!

 

And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. We are forgiven, Alan! The Son of God forgave our sins to WALK in the Spirit living a GODLY Life and APPLYING God’s standards for life which even EXCEED what is written in the Law!

 

31 Do we then make void the law through faith?
Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
Romans 3

 

This is the TRUE interpretation of the HOLY Bible and words of God and God’s plan for our lives! Do you understand that now?

 

Galatians 3

 

Justification by Faith

 

3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? ² This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? ³ Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? ⁴ Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

 

⁵ Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— ⁶ just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” ⁷ Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. ⁸ And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” ⁹ So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

 

Hebrews 9

 

The Earthly Sanctuary

 

9 Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary. ² For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; ³ and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, ⁴ which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant; ⁵ and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.

 

Limitations of the Earthly Service

 

⁶ Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle, performing the services. ⁷ But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; ⁸ the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. ⁹ It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— ¹⁰ concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.

 

The Heavenly Sanctuary

 

¹¹ But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. ¹² Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. ¹³ For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, ¹⁴ how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? ¹⁵ And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

 

The Mediator’s Death Necessary

 

¹⁶ For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. ¹⁷ For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. ¹⁸ Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. ¹⁹ For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, ²⁰ saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.” ²¹ Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. ²² And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

 

Greatness of Christ’s Sacrifice

 

²³ Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. ²⁴ For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; ²⁵ not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— ²⁶ He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. ²⁷ And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, ²⁸ so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

 

 

 

 

Hey, are we in agreement here then, sis...?  Yes we keep the law in the new way of the Spirit, hallelujah!  Simply put, the law is........given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.....and that is how it is good when we use it properly.....it is His word for our instruction.  But if we try to serve in the old way of the letter it only gives power to sin, makes sin come alive........whereas serving in the new way of the spirit puts sin to death.

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2 hours ago, mven222 said:

Wrong.

God gave laws through Moses to the house of Israel.

 

You need to tell us if the Sabbath is necessary for salvation.   You can try to evade answering the question, but it is doing to hound you here on this board.   You need to come clean and tell the truth.  If you really think you have the truth, then questions should not threaten you.    If you really had the truth, you would not hesitate in speaking it.  

You appear to be glorifying the law more than Jesus.

 

And what does this mean?:

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I belong to the Holy Jewish Nation.

How are you defining "the Holy Jewish Nation?"   What does that mean?

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4 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Yes finally.......sister I seem to be slower than most even on a good day, if I even get in two or three comments in a day I'm doing pretty well.......and I was having to do a big fancy Christmas dinner for my family yesterday.  I think this might have to be my last year to cook a Christmas feast......might just order the "festive special" from Swiss Chalet next year, lol !   (that's a popular chicken restaurant chain where I live).  You be blessed too! 

It took  a bit , but I found ya.    be blessed and praise the Lord.