IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 Just now, IvyLynn said: Because they got kicked out they were shunned possibly in their home towns it was probably horrible for them Granted a blessing they found JC but sad and difficult to be shunned i deal with shunning where I live because i question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, IvyLynn said: Because they got kicked out they were shunned possibly in their home towns it was probably horrible for them Actually they REJOICED AND WERE EXCEEDINGLY GLAD ! Salvation from death and destruction IS GOOD ! And Jesus says LEAP FOR JOY when they persecute you and even when they seek your life, FOR THUS they also treated all the prophets of old (EVEN JESUS was treated this way- rejected by HIS OWN PEOPLE, AND CRUCIFIED ! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 Just now, simplejeff said: Actually they REJOICED AND WERE EXCEEDINGLY GLAD ! Salvation from death and destruction IS GOOD ! And Jesus says LEAP FOR JOY when they persecute you and even when they seek your life, FOR THUS they also treated all the prophets of old (EVEN JESUS was treated this way- rejected by HIS OWN PEOPLE, AND CRUCIFIED ! ) I totally agree but the finger pointers don't like questions but JC has kept me safe for 38 yrs so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, IvyLynn said: Granted a blessing they found JC but sad and difficult to be shunned i deal with shunning where I live because i question Read in the NT and in Foxes Book of Martyrs** how much the martyrs REJOICED ! with great JOY ! when they were persecuted and tortured and imprisoned and executed for the faith in JESUS ! The true examples are a very good testimony of the TRUTH of God's Word and God's Promise of peace, joy and righteousness that no one on earth can understand nor can they take away from the born again ones , no, never can they take it away from the ekklesia, as long as the ekklesia endure to the end. (yes, there is grief and sorrow - Jesus Himself suffered and is acquainted with great sorrow and grief; but for the JOY SET BEFORE HIM, HE endured all joyfully to the end (while suffering more horribly such sorrow and grief for those around Him, and physically in His body such tortures and no one can appreciate ) .... For the kingdom of God is Righteousness, Peace and Joy (all through the NT in all the ekklesia, DAILY) , not meat nor drink (not physical stuff) .... **Foxes Book of Martyrs is very encouraging testimony of true saints, persecuted often to death, forced to watch as their loved ones and brethren also were murdered in front of their eyes by rome..... (over many centuries) ... It can be read for free here: (on this Worthy site) >>> http://www.worthychristianlibrary.com/foxes-book-of-martyrs-by-john-foxe/ Worthy Christian Library » Foxe’s Book of Martyrs by John Foxe Foxe’s Book of Martyrs by John Foxe Table of Contents Chapter 1 – History of Christian Martyrs to the First General Persecutions under Nero Chapter 2, Part 1 – The Ten Primitive Persecutions Chapter 2, Part 2 – The Tenth Persecution, Under Diocletian, A.D. 303 Chapter 3 – Persecutions of the Christians in Persia Chapter 4 – Papal Persecutions over 22 chapters listed in the library, free to read, no sign up or sign in needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, IvyLynn said: I totally agree but the finger pointers don't like questions but JC has kept me safe for 38 yrs so far Amen. It has been that way (continuously) on forums like this, and in churches mixed with the world, for all the years, for all our lives, for many generations. < shrugs > we cannot change them. Only continue by true and simple faith in Jesus, sustained not by our strength, but BY HIS STRENGTH and GRACE, no matter what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, simplejeff said: Read in the NT and in Foxes Book of Martyrs how much the martyrs REJOICED ! with great JOY ! when they were persecuted and tortured and imprisoned and executed for the faith in JESUS ! The true examples are a very good testimony of the TRUTH of God's Word and God's Promise of peace, joy and righteousness that no one on earth can understand nor can they take away from the born again ones , no, never can they take it away from the ekklesia, as long as the ekklesia endure to the end. (yes, there is grief and sorrow - Jesus Himself suffered and is acquainted with great sorrow and grief; but for the JOY SET BEFORE HIM, HE endured all joyfully to the end (while suffering more horribly such sorrow and grief for those around Him, and physically in His body such tortures and no one can appreciate ) .... For the kingdom of God is Righteousness, Peace and Joy (all through the NT in all the ekklesia, DAILY) , not meat nor drink (not physical stuff) .... This knowledge is all that keeps me going 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, simplejeff said: Amen. It has been that way (continuously) on forums like this, and in churches mixed with the world, for all the years, for all our lives, for many generations. < shrugs > we cannot change them. Only continue by true and simple faith in Jesus, sustained not by our strength, but BY HIS STRENGTH and GRACE, no matter what happens. 110% agreed most of my church members don't care for me thats ok i pray for them to have love and kindness in their hearts they haven't met me at the door telling me to go elsewhere yet so all we can do is pray for understanding hearts and minds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said: Show me scripture that proves the highlighted statement you made above is actually true. I know SDA's go around using this time-worn chestnut over and over again but it presents a problem because you have no scripture anywhere in the Old Testament, pre-Exodus that commands anyone to observe the Sabbath. We do have, however, clear scripture that God did not establish Mosaic covenants with anyone until the Exodus. Even then, these covenants were only established with the Jews. Deuteronomy 5:1-3 Moses summoned all Israel and said: Hear, O Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our fathers that the LORD made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. People have to re-work Luke 23:43 to accommodate a doctrine that a denomination teaches which has no biblical means of support. In this case, they mess with this verse to alleviate the problem of holding on to the bogus concept of soul sleep. SDA's teach soul sleep, so Luke 23:43 has to be re-worked to make that teaching viable. The entire comma issue is a non-starter. Luke 23:43 does support the SDA concept of soul sleep. I will ask you the same question I have asked others here: How can you serve Christ, and be a member of the SDA church at the same time? How can you have any moral credibility at all to go around advocating Sabbath-keeping when your church-supported hospitals routinely perform elective abortions? Well I just researched the word Sabbath and referred to the basic calendar What day the week begins with and what day did JC rest it supports itself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 And we are all sinners that why Jc died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 hours ago, IvyLynn said: To help establish the meaning of Jesus’ statement on the cross, we acknowledge the importance of considering the overall biblical teaching concerning the time when the saved will receive their reward in Paradise. By “Paradise,” there should be no question that Jesus meant heaven (2 Cor. 12:2–4) .....................He never tries to comfort the living by saying that the deceased are already with Jesus in heaven. On the contrary, he attempts to bring peace to their hearts by reminding them of the resurrection (1 Thess. 4:13– 18; cf. 2 Cor. 1:8–10; Phil. 3:8–11),19 and that only when Jesus comes again both the resurrected righteous and righteous living will be caught up together to meet Him in the air, and so they will be with Him forever (see 1 Thess. 4:17). Sister, I realize that your quoting Wilson Paroschi -the SDA minister - here and in your OP, but do you have any ideas of your own to consider. Nothing wrong with quoting people, just please list your sources so others can read for themselves. What do YOU think of why all Bibles - no matter from what earliest of texts, some used to found the KJV and some used to found more modern translations - all have the comma or the semi-colon? I'm not saying one way or another, but I'd like to know what you think about all early texts insinuating somehow that there was a pause of some kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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