IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 Just now, Jayne said: Sister, I realize that your quoting Wilson Paroschi -the SDA minister - here and in your OP, but do you have any ideas of your own to consider. Nothing wrong with quoting people, just please list your sources so others can read for themselves. What do YOU think of why all Bibles - no matter from what earliest of texts, some used to found the KJV and some used to found more modern translations - all have the comma or the semi-colon? I'm not saying one way or another, but I'd like to know what you think about all early texts insinuating somehow that there was a pause of some kind. Did you have to google that? praise god if you did, knowledge is the key to the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 Just now, IvyLynn said: Did you have to google that? praise god if you did, knowledge is the key to the truth This is the only way I found out what truth was bless you my sister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 The early texts and bibles were the key to truth i personally own some of the oldest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 Just now, IvyLynn said: The early texts and bibles were the key to truth i personally own some of the oldest And yes I can translate and speak other languages most of my life as been spent researching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, IvyLynn said: And yes I can translate and speak other languages most of my life as been spent researching I actually found truth when I lived in Mexico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, IvyLynn said: Did you have to google that? praise god if you did, knowledge is the key to the truth I always google responses from people that appear to be copied and pasted so that I can read the whole thing for myself and to see who is saying and why ..... I thought is was implied that I Googled the first few lines. I'm sorry if you thought I just "knew" that. I just wondered if you had any ideas why all the translations from all the earliest of sources have the comma. I wasn't wanting an arguement, just a discussion. I, myself don't know, because I don't read Greek nor Hebrew and just wondered if you had any ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jayne said: Sister, I realize that your quoting Wilson Paroschi -the SDA minister - here and in your OP, but do you have any ideas of your own to consider. Nothing wrong with quoting people, just please list your sources so others can read for themselves. What do YOU think of why all Bibles - no matter from what earliest of texts, some used to found the KJV and some used to found more modern translations - all have the comma or the semi-colon? I'm not saying one way or another, but I'd like to know what you think about all early texts insinuating somehow that there was a pause of some kind. Actually, long long ago, (just in my lifetime), when YHVH first called me to Himself through Jesus, and I read and read and read through and through and through Scripture, seeking from Him understanding as He pleased, as He grants to His chosen ones, as written throughout OT and NT (for all understanding rests with Him, just as also the meaning of dreams does) , without ever thinking about the comma, without having anyone say one way or another way concerning this (as far as I know and remember), I disregarded the false notion from the greek myths that the thief on the cross would be in paradise the same day he died, (also, since that very concept is from greek (or other) myths that became known to me later , by God's Grace without seeking the myths) , so with or without the comma, (and since the original had no commas at all, most likely, as agreed without contention I think), there is no harmony with God's Word , no matter where the comma is, if people think the thief went to heaven when tradition (in error) says it happened. Oh , yes, that's another good indicator ---- when man's tradition says something, it is usually wrong; and when man's tradition says something that is not in line with all of God's Word and Plan, then it certainly is a wrong tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jayne said: I always google responses from people that appear to be copied and pasted so that I can read the whole thing for myself and to see who is saying and why ..... I thought is was implied that I Googled the first few lines. I'm sorry if you thought I just "knew" that. I just wondered if you had any ideas why all the translations from all the earliest of sources have the comma. I wasn't wanting an arguement, just a discussion. I, myself don't know, because I don't read Greek nor Hebrew and just wondered if you had any ideas. That's why I copy and paste hoping someone seeks further and deeper and this forum is not as user friendly as I would prefer no worries i don't get insulted, but I appreciate your kind heart im feeding my horses, I will respond to the ?? After Im done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2018 Hark! What's that I hear ? In the distance ? hee hee hee hee hee...... (horse whinnying happily ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyLynn Posted February 9, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, simplejeff said: Actually, long long ago, (just in my lifetime), when YHVH first called me to Himself through Jesus, and I read and read and read through and through and through Scripture, seeking from Him understanding as He pleased, as He grants to His chosen ones, as written throughout OT and NT (for all understanding rests with Him, just as also the meaning of dreams does) , without ever thinking about the comma, without having anyone say one way or another way concerning this (as far as I know and remember), I disregarded the false notion from the greek myths that the thief on the cross would be in paradise the same day he died, (also, since that very concept is from greek (or other) myths that became known to me later , by God's Grace without seeking the myths) , so with or without the comma, (and since the original had no commas at all, most likely, as agreed without contention I think), there is no harmony with God's Word , no matter where the comma is, if people think the thief went to heaven when tradition (in error) says it happened. Oh , yes, that's another good indicator ---- when man's tradition says something, it is usually wrong; and when man's tradition says something that is not in line with all of God's Word and Plan, then it certainly is a wrong tradition. The whole comma thing was never a big deal to me personally. I have done research (extensive same as yourself) to help me with my own personal journey. Time and time again it didn't add up, the Holy Spirit has helped me. I'm different and frowned upon by many. It's kinda like a huge puzzle and everyday we are getting closer to the grand masterpiece completed. I may not agree with all the SDA claims or practice, but I'm a firm believer that JC died for us and man has confused everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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