My dream society

[Wayne222]

  This is not the new world order. The new world order will be Hitler times a thousands.

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 hours ago, Thomas Eidsaa said:

Thank you for your replies. Please don`t ban me! I repent. Still; I think that an ecumenical, monastic movement cultivating soul and soil as primary focus in life; seeking God with all your heart; away from the world; is a way to strengthen Christianity. I will keep my societal opinions personal, and focus on the Bible. Draw us close to you oh God..

Thomas this is not a way to strenghthen Christanity,  its only a way to cause many to fall away.

JESUS is all I need to spread the gospel and if the world hates me so be it , no matter how hated or evil I am seen as for not having this desired goal or dream

I repay no evil with evil.    IF my enemies come to even kill me,  let it be only the prayer LORD FORGIVE THEM.

But this dream I want no part of it .  none .    The reconcilatoin of men to GOD FOUND ONLY IN CHRIST ,  that is the peace that shall be spread

and that will cause offences and divisions.  but so be it .   JESUS only saves and only JESUS can save.  all other religions are false and blending them together

for good works and world peace,  don't make them any truer , it just makes one giant false religion and mindset .    a mindset which worships the beast and does its bidding .

and I no want any part of that .    I had sooner live as a beaten , persecuted, hated , and even killed man SERVING ONLY CHRIST

than to live a king in this utopian beast system world dream world peace lie . 

[Thomas Eidsaa]

1 hour ago, Butero said:

My ideal would have Christianity as the only religion.  Abortion, homosexual activity, pornography, idolatry and witchcraft would be banned.  We would return to the traditional family with the working Father and stay at home Mother.  Feminism wouldn't exist.  The welfare state would be gone and churches and family would take care of the disabled.  Children would all be home schooled.  Clothing styles would resemble what they wore in the 1930s.  

We would have respect for the military and law enforcement.  You would see Christian symbols everywhere.  The 10 commandments would be outside every courthouse and manger scenes would be present in public parks each Christmas season.  KJV Bible study would be a required curriculum to graduate from school and there would be no mention of things like evolution.  Patriotism and nationalism would be the norm.  

We would be self sufficient.  Drilling and fracking would be encouraged.  We would have a free market economy with no minimum wage.  There would be no anti-discrimination laws.  A strong military would be the main purpose of the federal government.  There would be no liberals or progressives.  

Yes! Fantastic! Absolutely! This gives me hope to read. Truly; this will some day be a reality. With proper schooling; the people are conscious about the afterlife effects of this life; which could even be done in scientific doctoral studies. One university to change the world. I agree with everything you say, but want to take it a little bit further. Imo; the state could be reduced to police and military. A theocracy elected by the church members by vote constitutes the parliament whom HIRE officials to constitute the government for periods extending 4 years. Do you agree? The reason why the power of government should be abolished completely; along with taxes; is so the corrupt system can never re-emerge. With everyone christian; ruled by morale and conduit; all disadvantaged people would be embraced by private social wellfare, hospitals, school etc. Yet I agree that taxes could be beneficial, but. It`s just the power-system Im afraid off. Huge wellfare fonds by the rich would provide for the poor in this theocracy; just as we give 10% to the church. Church nation. XD It would be like during the patriarchy of Israels judges. Would it be easier for the church to control private enterprises than a powerful socialist government? YES! The church-military would be ruling figure.

[frienduff thaylorde]

5 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

  This is not the new world order. The new world order will be Hitler times a thousands.

Not at first .   at first he comes in PEACEABLY .   But I did not expect you to see this dream as dangerous.

For you have yet to let go of some of what ROME preaches .   The dark one destroys many THROUGH PEACE .   THROUGH PEACE .    THROUGH BY PEACE.

yeah.     And this spirit is leading right to him and the kings who for one hour rule with the beast .  as in THE LAST HOUR .

And soon in time we will see this unified religion start pushing another goal for world peace .     Don't know how much longer till it begins

FIRST it has to swell more in the minds and hearts of men.    But here is what the goal will be ,  some kind of tech that if one has it not ,  they cant buy or sell

in this society.   MARK those words well.  THIS TOO WILL HAPPEN in time .   SORRY I cant prove that as of yet with any links

But in time we will see this too.   GUESS when it starts happening and sooner than later ,  I will show the proofs then.  

Cut copy and paste this, SO WHEN it starts , you can remember what this wee thing by GRACE warned was coming .  The religious side

of this will heavily preach this tech as a good thing in time .   FOR IT DOES the bidding of the beast and causes the earth to both worship the beast and take its mark.

But I expect many will laugh at this as they have at other things by grace I warned out about years ago.  AND NOW they sure are being confirmed.

SEE the SPIRIT IS REAL and wayne IT DOES WARN US OF THINGS TO COME.  

Oh,  this one world council of men ,  will be stationed in Jerusalem.     Watch for that too.   A council of religions under a one religious leader

that points to a world power political system and man and men.   OH watch for that too.   and pard,  ROME LEADS THIS CHARGE .   

[simplejeff]

16 minutes ago, Thomas Eidsaa said:

This gives me hope to read. Truly; this will some day be a reality. With proper schooling;

For YHVH'S Truth, His Hope, "Reality" As He Has Revealed, 

from His Word,  

see that people are not (and over-all refuse to be) raising their children in the way they ought to go,  and the children are not getting off of the wide road to destruction,  except for a few by sheer grace.  

i.e. "proper schooling" ?    Not in this world.  Not until Jesus Returns.

[frienduff thaylorde]

15 minutes ago, Thomas Eidsaa said:

Yes! Fantastic! Absolutely! This gives me hope to read. Truly; this will some day be a reality. With proper schooling; the people are conscious about the afterlife effects of this life; which could even be done in scientific doctoral studies. One university to change the world. I agree with everything you say, but want to take it a little bit further. Imo; the state could be reduced to police and military. A theocracy elected by the church members by vote constitutes the parliament whom HIRE officials to constitute the government for periods extending 4 years. Do you agree? The reason why the power of government should be abolished completely; along with taxes; is so the corrupt system can never re-emerge. With everyone christian; ruled by morale and conduit; all disadvantaged people would be embraced by private social wellfare, hospitals, school etc. Yet I agree that taxes could be beneficial, but. It`s just the power-system Im afraid off. Huge wellfare fonds by the rich would provide for the poor in this theocracy; just as we give 10% to the church. Church nation. XD It would be like during the patriarchy of Israels judges. Would it be easier for the church to control private enterprises than a powerful socialist government? YES! The church-military would be ruling figure.

This was never JESUS IDEALS FOR THE CHURCH.   HE knew what was in men and man.   We were simply to preach the gospel till his return

this you speak of ,  oh in part it will happen.  But woe unto these leaders and those who follow them.    This is nothing like the KINGDOM JESUS preached

in fact on a smaller scale its been done before .     lets see what came out of those mindsets...............a one world christanity

HMMM< oh yeah THE CRUSAIDES .  only this time it will be again and come against all who conformed not to this world peace utopian universal lie .

History does repeat and IS REPEATING .   all this power in the hands of a few , always ends with much blood

only this time This is one far stretching kingdom , so I expect the numbers will be so high that are killed out of all nations tribes etc

that no man can count them.   PS , sounds like the GREAT TRIBULATOIN HOUR .    I want no part of this dream and you need to flee it too.

ALL we need is CHRIST and all we need is the Simplicity of just preaching the gospel .  not this world peace lie.   MILITARY and POLICE

yall are getting set up big time .   You need to flee this dream and return to the simple preaching OF CHRIST . 

[Thomas Eidsaa]

6 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

1 minute ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

This was never JESUS IDEALS FOR THE CHURCH.   HE knew what was in men and man.   We were simply to preach the gospel till his return

this you speak of ,  oh in part it will happen.  But woe unto these leaders and those who follow them.    This is nothing like the KINGDOM JESUS preached

in fact on a smaller scale its been done before .     lets see what came out of those mindsets...............a one world christanity

HMMM< oh yeah THE CRUSAIDES .  only this time it will be again and come against all who conformed not to this world peace utopian universal lie .

History does repeat and IS REPEATING .   all this power in the hands of a few , always ends with much blood

only this time This is one far stretching kingdom , so I expect the numbers will be so high that are killed out of all nations tribes etc

that no man can count them.   PS , sounds like the GREAT TRIBULATOIN HOUR .    I want no part of this dream and you need to flee it too.

ALL we need is CHRIST and all we need is the Simplicity of just preaching the gospel .  not this world peace lie.   MILITARY and POLICE

yall are getting set up big time .   You need to flee this dream and return to the simple preaching OF CHRIST . 

I understand your fear, but we are talking about the government of Jesus; or; we are simply dreaming. I think I outlined a biblical governmental form, but I understand your fears. What I fear is worldwide communism not right-wing liberal markets as we are discussing here. I believe the antichrist will be a great communist.

Yes I understand your fear..! But don`t forget about Jesus, and the 144.000! We should group together. Unite!

[frienduff thaylorde]

8 minutes ago, Butero said:

You would have to have a Constitution in place that is so spelled out, no matter how corrupt the leaders were, they couldn't abuse their position.  It could be ruled by judges under Christ, but if they turn away from following God, there would need to be a way to remove them.  

The church would collect alms for the poor, all by voluntary giving.  Deacons would oversee distribution.  Families would be expected to take care of their own when possible.  Health care would be privatized.  No national health care.  

The government would be funded by a 10 percent consumption tax.

NO STATE CHURCH ever will do the will of Christ so what on earth makes us think A WORLD CHURCH WILL.

they wont butero.  WE DONT NEED THIS , even the idea of it is a snare . 

In fact this is already happening .  this world church or united religons interfaith etc,    it will do great evil not good .

DIDNT WORK too well under ROME ,   didn't work too well under calvin  .   and it sure as heck wont work too well under men of all religions who lead it .

BLOOD will ensue as it has in times past so it will yet again .  but they will sell the idea under the very concepts you just brought up as a good thing .

THIS mindset dates way back.   In large it began with Constantine ,  unifying ROME with church .   DIDNT WORK OUT TOO WELL for those who opposed it either .

WHEN a church and politics work as one ...............OH dear it never worked out for the good of anyone .   oh sure maybe some good deeds

but if just read in history..................LOTS OF BLOOD SHED TOOO.      Only this time its a whole one world religion and world state.   which means A LOT of blood

on those who resist .     My advice flee any concept of church joining politics ,  Great evil is always done and often in the name of peace , and love .  

[simplejeff]

1 minute ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

NO STATE CHURCH ever will do the will of Christ so what on earth makes us think A WORLD CHURCH WILL.

(1) the anti-christs

(2) the false prophet(s).

(3) the false teachers.

(4) the false gospel.

(5) everyone seeking money, power, fame, or the respect of the world.

(6) anyone deceived by catholicism / other religions/ secularism/ worldliness .

(7) society, the world, corporations, etc etc etc

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

This is not a world church I speak of.  It is a secular government that bases their laws on God's laws and they have Christianity as their only recognized religion.  You still have independent Christian churches.  The independent churches are given back the responsibility of taking care of the poor, as they used to be expected to do when the church was first formed.  The government has no say over what they preach, but at the same time, every religion under the sun is not protected.  I mean groups like Wiccans, Satanists, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.  They have no right to freedom or religion.  

I fully agree.    but this is never going to happen, so why even dream of it .    Its why I told people I would never be elected president , cause I would make the evil

cease from the land.  King of ninevah did it once at the preaching of Jonas and ninevah was spared.  But the thing is,   their are no men like this in todays politics.

let us focus on the gospel .  Be blessed butero.    The bible only says seducers wax worse and worse , and the bible only says a great falling away no age of enlightenment .

Let the kingdoms of this world do as they do,   and we who are of another kingdom NOT of this world will focus on AS CHRIST BID us DO and that is gospel

and taking care of our own .    Praise the Lord butero .