The Gracious, Loving God humanity gives a bad rap to

[JohnD]

Since the dawn of history mankind has misunderstood God.

Everything God has done with humanity was from love and for mankind's best interest.

We can see his grace, for example, as early as Genesis 3. God could have thrown in the towel... that's it you blew it... the ONE thing I told you not to do, and because your seed is now tainted I'm killing off humanity before it ever gets started... and look at how you've ruined creation with your sin!

Is that what happened?

No.

I think of God trying to reach humanity is not unlike Anne Sullivan trying to reach Helen Keller through the vast darkness and profound deafness.

Apply heat, poke two fingers into the hand. Repeat until understood. "Hot."

In the process, people portray God as mean, judgmental, unloving, bent on pounding humanity over the head and sending people to hell.

Just the opposite is true.

We have people in Christianity today who do the same thing without realizing it... in bringing the Old Testament into the New. The law was to establish the rules and the futility of trying anything but grace to be saved. Reject the grace or try to add to it or take away from it and the law is the only thing left... and none of us can stand up to the law. ← that's the point.

So here we are 1900+ years after the fact still trying to add legalism to Christianity and wondering why there are so many divisions. 

1. Let God tell his own story.

2. Try to see things from his perspective.

3. Be amazed how much he cares for us.

 

[simplejeff]

3 hours ago, JohnD said:

Let God tell his own story.

 

1.) Is.2 [The Torah will be taught in the Millennial Kingdom]
2.) Is.8:20 [Those who are against the Torah have no light in them]
3.) Is.42:4 [The coastlands will wait for YHWH’s Torah]
4.) Is.42:21 [YHWH will exalt the Torah and make it honorable]
5.) Is.51:7 [The Torah mentioned to be on people’s hearts before Jer.31:33]
6.) Jer.31:33 [The Torah will be on our hearts during the Millennial Kingdom]
7.) Micah 4:2 [Nations will come to learn the Torah in the Millennial Kingdom]
8.) Zech.14:16-19 [The Feast of Tabernacles will be kept in the Millennial Kingdom (Lev.23)]
9.) Lam 2:9 [Jeremiah lamented that the Torah is no more. Why lament if it will be done away with?]
10.) Psalm 119 [David exalted the Torah]

-The Gospels-

*Matthew:
11.) Matt.4:4-10 [Yeshua used the Torah to rebuke the adversary (Deut 8:3; 6:16; 6:13)]
12.) Matt.5:17-19 [Those who teach against Torah will be least in the Kingdom of Heaven]
13.) Matt.7:12 [The Golden Rule (Midrash on Torah)]
14.) Matt.9:20 [Yeshua wore Tzitziot (Num.15:38)]
15.) Matt.11:13 [Yeshua used the Torah & the Prophets to prove John the Baptist valid]
16.) Matt.12:5 [Yeshua interpreted the Sabbath]
17.) Matt.14:36 [Yeshua wore Tzitziot (Num.15:38)]
18.) Matt.22:36-40 [Yeshua taught the greatest commandments from the Torah USING the Torah]
19.) Matt.23:23 [Yeshua emphasized the weightier matters of the Torah USING the Torah]

*Mark:
20.) Mark 3:4 [Yeshua interpreted the Sabbath]
21.) Mark 6:18 [John the Baptist used Torah to rebuke Herod (Lev.20:21)]
22.) Mark 6:56 [Yeshua wore Tzitziot (Num.15:38)]
23.) Mark 10:5-12 [Yeshua taught on divorce using the creation account]

*Luke:
24.) Luke 2:21 [Yeshua circumcised on the eighth day (Lev.12:2-3)]
25.) Luke 2:22-39 [Yeshua was presented before YHWH as the first born (Ex.34:19)]
26.) Luke 2:24 [An offering was made for Yeshua being the first born (Lev.12:6)]
27.) Luke 4:16 [Yeshua’s custom was to attend Synagogue on the Sabbath day not Sunday]
28.) Luke 6:3-9 [Yeshua is Master of the Sabbath]
29.) Luke 10:26-28 [Yeshua encouraged Torah observance by elevating the weightier commandments]
30.) Luke 10:30-37 [Yeshua gave a parable of the good Samaritan/love your neighbor]
31.) Luke 14:5 [Yeshua preserved life on the Sabbath]
32.) Luke 16:16 [Yeshua used Torah and the Prophets to prove John the Baptist is valid]
33.) Luke 16:17 [It is easier for heaven & earth to pass away than for Torah to do so]
34.) Luke 24:44 [Suffering Servant Prophecy fulfilled]

*John:
35.) John 1:17 [Through the Torah, Messiah’s Grace was manifested] *
36.) John 1:45 [Phillip used the Torah & the Prophets to convince Nathaniel about Yeshua being Messiah]
37.) John 5:8 [Yeshua healed a lame man on the Sabbath]
38.) John 7:19 [Yeshua used the Torah to defend Himself]
39.) John 7:22-23 [Yeshua interpreted the Sabbath]
40.) John 7:24 [Yeshua taught to judge righteously (Lev.19:15)]
41.) John 7:49 [Yeshua said those who do not know Torah are accursed]
42.) John 7:51 [Nicodemus used the Torah to prove Yeshua innocent]
43.) John 8:5-12 [Yeshua won the challenge concerning the woman in “adultery” (Lev.20:10)]

-Acts-
44.) Acts 2 [The disciples celebrated Shavuot (Pentecost)]
45.) Acts 6:13 [False witnesses accused the disciples of teaching against the Torah]
46.) Acts 13:14 [Paul went to Synagogue on Sabbath]
47.) Acts 13:15 [Paul attended Synagogue on Sabbath]
48.) Acts 13:39 [Paul taught the Torah and the Prophets in Synagogue]
49.) Acts 13:42 [Gentiles wanted to hear more about Torah and Messiah next Sabbath]
50.) Acts 13:44 [Almost the whole city came the next Sabbath and wanted to learn]
51.) Acts 13:46 [Paul and Barnabas decided to teach Torah/Prophets to the Gentiles (Is.49:6)]
52.) Acts 13:48 [Gentiles were filled with gladness because they get to learn about Yeshua & Torah]
53.) Acts 13:49 [Torah and the Prophets were spread throughout all the region of Antioch]
54.) Acts 15:21 [Moses was taught in all the cities in Synagogues on the Sabbath Day]
55.) Acts 15:28-29
[New gentile converts were to keep the kosher laws of Torah before learning the rest of it]
[Foods offered to idols/eating blood/eating things strangled/sexual immorality]
[(Ex.20:3/Lev.7:26;17:12; 22:8/Deut.14:21)]
56.) Acts 16:13 [Prayer was customarily made on the Sabbath Day]
57.) Acts 17:2-4 [Paul taught Yeshua and Torah for THREE Sabbaths not three Sundays!]
58.) Acts 18:4 [Paul persuaded Jews and Greeks about Yeshua EVERY Sabbath!]
59.) Acts 18:13 [False witness accused Paul of teaching against Torah]
60.) Acts 18:18 [Paul takes a Nazirite vow and shaves his head (Num.6)]
61.) Acts 20:6 [Paul sails to Philippi AFTER Unleavened Bread. Why mention this if it’s done away with?] 62.) Acts 20:7-12 [Paul kept the Sabbath and taught for Havdallah until midnight]
63.) Acts 20:16 [Paul wanted to arrive in time at Jerusalem to keep Shavuot (Ex.34:22/Lev.23:15-22)]
64.) Acts 21:20 [New converts were ZEALOUS for the Torah!]
65.) Acts 21:24 [Paul showed that he keeps the Torah]
66.) Acts 21:28 [More false accusations saying that Paul taught against the Torah]
67.) Acts 22:12 [Paul used the Torah to say Ananias was a devout man]
68.) Acts 23:3 [Paul used the Torah to defend his position]
69.) Acts 23:4 [Paul quoted the Torah (Ex.22:28)]
70.) Acts 24:14 [Paul believed all things in the Torah and the Prophets]
71.) Acts 28:23 [Paul taught people the Torah and the Prophets]

-Pauline Epistles-
*Romans:
72.) Rom.2:13 [Those who do the Torah and not just hear it are considered justified]
73.) Rom.3:31 [Faith does not make void Torah]
74.) Rom.6:15 [Grace is not permission to sin]
75.) Rom.7:2 [Paul taught the laws of marriage & divorce (Deut.24)]
76.) Rom.7:7 [The Torah is not sin]
77.) Rom.7:12 [The Torah is holy, just, and good]
78.) Rom.7:26 [The Torah is good]
79.) Rom.7:22 [Paul delighted in the Torah of YHWH]
80.) Rom.13:18 [Love fulfills the Torah]
81.) Rom.13:10 [Love fulfills the Torah]

*1 Corinthians:
82.) 1Cor.1:18 [Paul quoted Isaiah 29:14 for his doctrine]
83.) 1Cor.1:31 [Paul quoted Jeremiah 9:24]
84.) 1Cor.2:9 [Paul quoted Isaiah 64:4]
85.) 1Cor.2:16 [Paul quoted Isaiah 40:13]
86.) 1Cor.3:19 [Paul quoted Job 5:13]
87.) 1Cor.3:20 [Paul quoted Psalm 94:11]
88.) 1Cor.5:1 [Paul used Torah to rebuke sin (Lev.20:11)
89.) 1Cor.5:6-8 [Paul encouraged believers to keep Passover (Lev.23)]
90.) 1Cor.5:9-11 [Paul taught to not be yoked with the sexually immoral (Lev.20)]
91.) 1Cor.5:12-13 [Paul quoted Deut.17:7; 19:19; 22:21; 24:7]
92.) 1Cor.6:9-10 [Paul listed immoral actions defined by Torah (Lev.20)]
93.) 1Cor.6:16 [Paul quotes Gen.2:24]
94.) 1Cor.7:10-11 [Paul taught on marriage and divorce (Deut.24)]
95.) 1Cor.7:19 [Paul taught that keeping the Torah is more important than IMMEDIATE circumcision]*
96.) 1Cor.7:39 [Paul taught the laws of marriage and re-marriage]
97.) 1Cor.9:9-12 [Paul did a midrash on Deut.25:4]
98.) 1Cor.9:21 [Paul kept YHWH’s Torah when ministering to those who didn’t have the Torah]
99.) 1Cor.10:1-22 [Paul did a midrash on Ex.32:6]
100.) 1Cor.10:26 [Paul quoted Psalm 24:1]
101.) 1Cor.14:21 [Paul quoted Isaiah 28:11-12]
102.) 1Cor.15:27 [Paul quoted Psalm 8:6]
103.) 1Cor.15:32 [Paul quoted Isaiah 22:13]
104.) 1Cor.15:45 [Paul quoted Gen.2:7]
105.) 1Cor.15:54 [Paul quoted Isaiah 25:8]
106.) 1Cor.15:55 [Paul quoted Hosea 13:14]

*2 Corinthians:
107.) 2Cor.3:12-17 [Paul did a midrash on the veil of Moses (Ex.34:33-35)]
108.) 2Cor.4:13 [Paul quoted Psalm 116:10]
109.) 2Cor.6:2 [Paul quoted Isaiah 49:8]
110.) 2Cor.6:16 [Paul quoted Lev.26:12/Jeremiah 32:38/Ezekiel 37:27]
111.) 2Cor.6:17 [Paul quoted Isaiah 52:11/Ezekiel 20:34; 41]
112.) 2Cor.6:18 [Paul quoted 2 Samuel 7:14]
113.) 2Cor.8:15 [Paul quoted Ex.16:18]
114.) 2Cor.9:9 [Paul quoted Psalm 112:9]
115.) 2Cor.10:17 [Paul quoted Jeremiah 9:24]
116.) 2Cor.13:1 [Paul quotes Deut.19:15]

*Galatians:
117.) Gal.3:6 [Paul quoted Gen.15:6]
118.) Gal.3:8 [Paul quoted Gen.12:3; 18:18; 22:18; 26:4; 28:14]
119.) Gal.3:10 [Paul quoted Deut.27:26]
120.) Gal.3:11 [Paul quoted Habakkuk 2:4]
121.) Gal 3:12 [Paul quoted Lev.18:5]
122.) Gal.3:13 [Paul quoted Deut 11:26-28; 27:15-26]
123.) Gal.3:16 [Paul quoted Gen.12:7; 13:15; 24:7]
124.) Gal.4:27 [Paul quoted Isaiah 54:1]
125.) Gal.4:30 [Paul quoted Gen.21:10]
126.) Gal.5:14 [Paul quoted Lev.19:18]

*Ephesians:
127.) Eph.4:8 [Paul quoted Psalm 68:18]
128.) Eph.4:25 [Paul quoted Zechariah 8:16]
129.) Eph.4:26 [Paul quoted Psalm 4:4]
130.) Eph.5:31 [Paul quoted Gen.2:24]
131.) Eph.6:2 [Paul quoted Deut.5:16]

*Philippians:
132.) Philipp.2:17 [Paul related himself to a drink offering (Lev.23:13)]

*1 Thessalonians:
133.) 1Thess.4:2 [Paul taught to walk in the Commandments of YHWH]
134.) 1Thess.4:3 [Paul taught to avoid sexual immorality (Lev.20)]
135.) 1Thess.5:1-11 [Paul taught that those who don’t know the Feast Days are in darkness/blind]

*2 Thessalonians:
136.) 2Thess.1:8 [Paul quoted Isaiah 24:23]

*1 Timothy:
137.) 1Tim.1:8 [Paul taught that the Torah is good if one uses it right]
138.) 1Tim.5:18 [Paul quoted Deut.25:4]
139.) 1Tim.5:19 [Paul taught the concept of two witnesses (Deut.19:15)]

*2 Timothy:
140.) 2Tim.3:15 [Paul said Timothy had known the “Holy Scriptures” (Torah/Prophets) since his youth]
141.) 2Tim.3:16 [Paul referred to the Torah/Prophets when he said “Scripture, Doctrine, Instruction”]
142.) 2Tim.4:6 [Paul related himself as a drink offering (Lev.23:13)]

*Titus:
143.) Titus 2:9 [Paul taught obedience to the Torah concerning bondservants & masters (Deut.15:12-18)]
144.) Titus 2:14 [Paul taught that Yeshua died so we will have zeal for good works (Torah)]

-Other Epistles-

*Hebrews:
145.) Heb.1:5 [quoted Ps.2:7/2Sam.7:14]
146.) Heb.1:6 [quoted Deut.32:43/Psalm 97:7]
147.) Heb.1:7 [quoted Ps.104:4]
148.) Heb.1:9 [quoted Ps.45:6-7]
149.) Heb.1:12 [quoted Ps.102:25-27]
150.) Heb.1:13 [quoted Ps.110:1]
151.) Heb.2:8 [quoted Ps.8:4-6]
152.) Heb.2:12 [quoted Ps.22:22]
153.) Heb.2:13 [quoted 2Sam.22:3/Isaiah 8:17-18]
154.) Heb.3:11 [quoted Ps. 5:7-11]
155.) Heb.3:15 [quoted Ps.95:7-8]
156.) Heb.4:3 [quoted Ps.95:11]
157.) Heb.4:4 [quoted Gen.2:2]
158.) Heb.4:5 [quoted Ps.95:11]
159.) Heb.4:7 [quoted Ps.95:7-8]
160.) Heb.5:5 [quoted Ps.2:7]
161.) Heb.5:6 [quoted Ps.110:4]
162.) Heb.6:14 [quoted Gen.22:17]
163.) Heb.7:17 [quoted Ps.110:4]
164.) Heb.7:21 [quoted Ps.110:4]
165.) Heb.8:5 [quoted Ex.25:40]
166.) Heb.8:12 [quoted Jer.31:31-34]
167.) Heb.9:20 [quoted Ex. 24:8]
168.) Heb.10:7 [quoted Ps.40:6-8]
169.) Heb.10:16 [quoted Jer.31:33]
170.) Heb.10:17 [quoted Jer.31:34]
171.) Heb.10:30 [quoted Deut.32:35-36]
172.) Heb.10:37 [quoted Hab.2:3-4]
173.) Heb.11:5 [quoted Gen.5:24]
174.) Heb.11:18 [quoted Gen.21:2]
175.) Heb.12:6 [quoted Prov.3:11-12]
176.) Heb.12:20 [quoted Ex.19:12-13]
177.) Heb.12:21 [quoted Deut.9:19]
178.) Heb.12:26 [quoted Hag.2:6]
179.) Heb.13:5 [quoted Deut.31:6-8/Josh.1:5]
180.) Heb.13:6 [quoted Ps.118:6]

*James:
181.) Jam.1:22-24 [James taught to be a doer of the Word]
182.) Jam.1:25 [The Torah is liberating]
183.) Jam.2:8 [James quoted Lev.19:18]
184.) Jam.2:11 [James quoted Ex.20:13-14/Deut.5:17-18]
185.) Jam.2:23 [James quoted Gen.15:6]
186.) Jam.3:2-12 [James did a midrash on the evil tongue (Lev.14)]
187.) Jam.4:6 [James quoted Prov.3:34]
188.) Jam.4:12 [James said YHWH is our Lawgiver. Why need a Lawgiver if the Law is done away with?]

*1 Peter:
189.) 1Pet.1:16 [Peter quoted Lev.11:44-45; 19:2; 20:7]
190.) 1Pet.1:25 [Peter quoted Isaiah.40:6-8]
191.) 1Pet.2:6 [Peter quoted Isaiah 28:16]
192.) 1Pet.2:7 [Peter quoted Ps.118:22]
193.) 1Pet.2:8 [Peter quoted Isaiah 8:14]
194.) 1Pet.2:22 [Peter quoted Isaiah 53:9]
195.) 1Pet.3:12 [Peter quoted Ps.34:12-16
196.) 1Pet.3:14 [Peter quoted Isaiah 8:12]
197.) 1Pet.4:8 [Peter quoted Prov.10:12]
198.) 1Pet.4:11 [Peter taught to speak as the Oracles of YHWH (Heb.5:12; Acts 7:38; Rom.3:2)]
199.) 1Pet.4:18 [Peter quoted Prov.11:31]
200.) 1Pet.5:5 [Peter quoted Prov.3:34]

*2 Peter:
201.) 2Pet.2:22 [Peter quoted Prov.26:11]

*1 John:
202.) 1Jo.2:3-5 [We are YHWH’s children if we keep His commandments]
203.) 1Jo.2:6 [We are to walk as Yeshua Messiah walked (Torah)]
204.) 1Jo.3:4 [Sin is violating the Torah]
205.) 1Jo.3:22 [We are to do YHWH’s commandments and do things that are pleasing to Him]
206.) 1Jo.3:23 [To believe in Yeshua as Messiah is a Torah based faith]
207.) 1Jo.3:24 [Those who keep YHWH’s commandments abide in Him, and He in them]
208.) 1Jo.5:2 [We are YHWH’s children if we keep His commandments]
209.) 1Jo.53 [It is the love of YHWH to keep His commandments and they aren’t a burden]

*2 John:
210.) 2Jo.1:6 [It is love to walk in His commandments]
211.) 2Jo.1:9 [Violators of Torah do not abide in the teaching of Yeshua which is to follow Torah]
[Those who abide in the teaching of Messiah has both YHWH and Yeshua]
212.) 2Jo.1:10 [John said to have nothing to do with those who teach against the teaching of Messiah]

*Jude:
213.) Jude 1:12 [“love feasts” were the Feast Days (Lev.23)]

-Revelation-
214.) Rev.1:6 [The Torah comes forth from Yeshua’s mouth]
215.) Rev.12:17 [The adversary is enraged mainly with those who keep Torah & believe in Yeshua]
216.) Rev.14:12 [Those who endure are they that keep the Torah and believe in Yeshua]
217.) Rev.19:15 [Yeshua judges and strikes the nations with the Torah (Word of YHWH/His Sword)]
218.) Rev.22:14

 

[Guest Butero]

Let's get one thing straight.  The God of the Old Testament is the God of the New Testament.  There was this couple in the New Testament called Ananias and Saphira.  God struck them dead for lying and attempted theft.  God struck down Herod for not giving God the glory.  God sentenced the rich man to hell for selfishness and greed.  Have you read Revelation?  Have you read the parable of the man that came to the wedding without wedding garments?  

It is no wonder people have no fear of God, based on the OP.  God is a holy God, and as New Testament scripture says, "Be ye holy, for I am holy."  

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 hours ago, simplejeff said:

 

1.) Is.2 [The Torah will be taught in the Millennial Kingdom]
2.) Is.8:20 [Those who are against the Torah have no light in them]
3.) Is.42:4 [The coastlands will wait for YHWH’s Torah]
4.) Is.42:21 [YHWH will exalt the Torah and make it honorable]
5.) Is.51:7 [The Torah mentioned to be on people’s hearts before Jer.31:33]
6.) Jer.31:33 [The Torah will be on our hearts during the Millennial Kingdom]
7.) Micah 4:2 [Nations will come to learn the Torah in the Millennial Kingdom]
8.) Zech.14:16-19 [The Feast of Tabernacles will be kept in the Millennial Kingdom (Lev.23)]
9.) Lam 2:9 [Jeremiah lamented that the Torah is no more. Why lament if it will be done away with?]
10.) Psalm 119 [David exalted the Torah]

-The Gospels-

*Matthew:
11.) Matt.4:4-10 [Yeshua used the Torah to rebuke the adversary (Deut 8:3; 6:16; 6:13)]
12.) Matt.5:17-19 [Those who teach against Torah will be least in the Kingdom of Heaven]
13.) Matt.7:12 [The Golden Rule (Midrash on Torah)]
14.) Matt.9:20 [Yeshua wore Tzitziot (Num.15:38)]
15.) Matt.11:13 [Yeshua used the Torah & the Prophets to prove John the Baptist valid]
16.) Matt.12:5 [Yeshua interpreted the Sabbath]
17.) Matt.14:36 [Yeshua wore Tzitziot (Num.15:38)]
18.) Matt.22:36-40 [Yeshua taught the greatest commandments from the Torah USING the Torah]
19.) Matt.23:23 [Yeshua emphasized the weightier matters of the Torah USING the Torah]

*Mark:
20.) Mark 3:4 [Yeshua interpreted the Sabbath]
21.) Mark 6:18 [John the Baptist used Torah to rebuke Herod (Lev.20:21)]
22.) Mark 6:56 [Yeshua wore Tzitziot (Num.15:38)]
23.) Mark 10:5-12 [Yeshua taught on divorce using the creation account]

*Luke:
24.) Luke 2:21 [Yeshua circumcised on the eighth day (Lev.12:2-3)]
25.) Luke 2:22-39 [Yeshua was presented before YHWH as the first born (Ex.34:19)]
26.) Luke 2:24 [An offering was made for Yeshua being the first born (Lev.12:6)]
27.) Luke 4:16 [Yeshua’s custom was to attend Synagogue on the Sabbath day not Sunday]
28.) Luke 6:3-9 [Yeshua is Master of the Sabbath]
29.) Luke 10:26-28 [Yeshua encouraged Torah observance by elevating the weightier commandments]
30.) Luke 10:30-37 [Yeshua gave a parable of the good Samaritan/love your neighbor]
31.) Luke 14:5 [Yeshua preserved life on the Sabbath]
32.) Luke 16:16 [Yeshua used Torah and the Prophets to prove John the Baptist is valid]
33.) Luke 16:17 [It is easier for heaven & earth to pass away than for Torah to do so]
34.) Luke 24:44 [Suffering Servant Prophecy fulfilled]

*John:
35.) John 1:17 [Through the Torah, Messiah’s Grace was manifested] *
36.) John 1:45 [Phillip used the Torah & the Prophets to convince Nathaniel about Yeshua being Messiah]
37.) John 5:8 [Yeshua healed a lame man on the Sabbath]
38.) John 7:19 [Yeshua used the Torah to defend Himself]
39.) John 7:22-23 [Yeshua interpreted the Sabbath]
40.) John 7:24 [Yeshua taught to judge righteously (Lev.19:15)]
41.) John 7:49 [Yeshua said those who do not know Torah are accursed]
42.) John 7:51 [Nicodemus used the Torah to prove Yeshua innocent]
43.) John 8:5-12 [Yeshua won the challenge concerning the woman in “adultery” (Lev.20:10)]

-Acts-
44.) Acts 2 [The disciples celebrated Shavuot (Pentecost)]
45.) Acts 6:13 [False witnesses accused the disciples of teaching against the Torah]
46.) Acts 13:14 [Paul went to Synagogue on Sabbath]
47.) Acts 13:15 [Paul attended Synagogue on Sabbath]
48.) Acts 13:39 [Paul taught the Torah and the Prophets in Synagogue]
49.) Acts 13:42 [Gentiles wanted to hear more about Torah and Messiah next Sabbath]
50.) Acts 13:44 [Almost the whole city came the next Sabbath and wanted to learn]
51.) Acts 13:46 [Paul and Barnabas decided to teach Torah/Prophets to the Gentiles (Is.49:6)]
52.) Acts 13:48 [Gentiles were filled with gladness because they get to learn about Yeshua & Torah]
53.) Acts 13:49 [Torah and the Prophets were spread throughout all the region of Antioch]
54.) Acts 15:21 [Moses was taught in all the cities in Synagogues on the Sabbath Day]
55.) Acts 15:28-29
[New gentile converts were to keep the kosher laws of Torah before learning the rest of it]
[Foods offered to idols/eating blood/eating things strangled/sexual immorality]
[(Ex.20:3/Lev.7:26;17:12; 22:8/Deut.14:21)]
56.) Acts 16:13 [Prayer was customarily made on the Sabbath Day]
57.) Acts 17:2-4 [Paul taught Yeshua and Torah for THREE Sabbaths not three Sundays!]
58.) Acts 18:4 [Paul persuaded Jews and Greeks about Yeshua EVERY Sabbath!]
59.) Acts 18:13 [False witness accused Paul of teaching against Torah]
60.) Acts 18:18 [Paul takes a Nazirite vow and shaves his head (Num.6)]
61.) Acts 20:6 [Paul sails to Philippi AFTER Unleavened Bread. Why mention this if it’s done away with?] 62.) Acts 20:7-12 [Paul kept the Sabbath and taught for Havdallah until midnight]
63.) Acts 20:16 [Paul wanted to arrive in time at Jerusalem to keep Shavuot (Ex.34:22/Lev.23:15-22)]
64.) Acts 21:20 [New converts were ZEALOUS for the Torah!]
65.) Acts 21:24 [Paul showed that he keeps the Torah]
66.) Acts 21:28 [More false accusations saying that Paul taught against the Torah]
67.) Acts 22:12 [Paul used the Torah to say Ananias was a devout man]
68.) Acts 23:3 [Paul used the Torah to defend his position]
69.) Acts 23:4 [Paul quoted the Torah (Ex.22:28)]
70.) Acts 24:14 [Paul believed all things in the Torah and the Prophets]
71.) Acts 28:23 [Paul taught people the Torah and the Prophets]

-Pauline Epistles-
*Romans:
72.) Rom.2:13 [Those who do the Torah and not just hear it are considered justified]
73.) Rom.3:31 [Faith does not make void Torah]
74.) Rom.6:15 [Grace is not permission to sin]
75.) Rom.7:2 [Paul taught the laws of marriage & divorce (Deut.24)]
76.) Rom.7:7 [The Torah is not sin]
77.) Rom.7:12 [The Torah is holy, just, and good]
78.) Rom.7:26 [The Torah is good]
79.) Rom.7:22 [Paul delighted in the Torah of YHWH]
80.) Rom.13:18 [Love fulfills the Torah]
81.) Rom.13:10 [Love fulfills the Torah]

*1 Corinthians:
82.) 1Cor.1:18 [Paul quoted Isaiah 29:14 for his doctrine]
83.) 1Cor.1:31 [Paul quoted Jeremiah 9:24]
84.) 1Cor.2:9 [Paul quoted Isaiah 64:4]
85.) 1Cor.2:16 [Paul quoted Isaiah 40:13]
86.) 1Cor.3:19 [Paul quoted Job 5:13]
87.) 1Cor.3:20 [Paul quoted Psalm 94:11]
88.) 1Cor.5:1 [Paul used Torah to rebuke sin (Lev.20:11)
89.) 1Cor.5:6-8 [Paul encouraged believers to keep Passover (Lev.23)]
90.) 1Cor.5:9-11 [Paul taught to not be yoked with the sexually immoral (Lev.20)]
91.) 1Cor.5:12-13 [Paul quoted Deut.17:7; 19:19; 22:21; 24:7]
92.) 1Cor.6:9-10 [Paul listed immoral actions defined by Torah (Lev.20)]
93.) 1Cor.6:16 [Paul quotes Gen.2:24]
94.) 1Cor.7:10-11 [Paul taught on marriage and divorce (Deut.24)]
95.) 1Cor.7:19 [Paul taught that keeping the Torah is more important than IMMEDIATE circumcision]*
96.) 1Cor.7:39 [Paul taught the laws of marriage and re-marriage]
97.) 1Cor.9:9-12 [Paul did a midrash on Deut.25:4]
98.) 1Cor.9:21 [Paul kept YHWH’s Torah when ministering to those who didn’t have the Torah]
99.) 1Cor.10:1-22 [Paul did a midrash on Ex.32:6]
100.) 1Cor.10:26 [Paul quoted Psalm 24:1]
101.) 1Cor.14:21 [Paul quoted Isaiah 28:11-12]
102.) 1Cor.15:27 [Paul quoted Psalm 8:6]
103.) 1Cor.15:32 [Paul quoted Isaiah 22:13]
104.) 1Cor.15:45 [Paul quoted Gen.2:7]
105.) 1Cor.15:54 [Paul quoted Isaiah 25:8]
106.) 1Cor.15:55 [Paul quoted Hosea 13:14]

*2 Corinthians:
107.) 2Cor.3:12-17 [Paul did a midrash on the veil of Moses (Ex.34:33-35)]
108.) 2Cor.4:13 [Paul quoted Psalm 116:10]
109.) 2Cor.6:2 [Paul quoted Isaiah 49:8]
110.) 2Cor.6:16 [Paul quoted Lev.26:12/Jeremiah 32:38/Ezekiel 37:27]
111.) 2Cor.6:17 [Paul quoted Isaiah 52:11/Ezekiel 20:34; 41]
112.) 2Cor.6:18 [Paul quoted 2 Samuel 7:14]
113.) 2Cor.8:15 [Paul quoted Ex.16:18]
114.) 2Cor.9:9 [Paul quoted Psalm 112:9]
115.) 2Cor.10:17 [Paul quoted Jeremiah 9:24]
116.) 2Cor.13:1 [Paul quotes Deut.19:15]

*Galatians:
117.) Gal.3:6 [Paul quoted Gen.15:6]
118.) Gal.3:8 [Paul quoted Gen.12:3; 18:18; 22:18; 26:4; 28:14]
119.) Gal.3:10 [Paul quoted Deut.27:26]
120.) Gal.3:11 [Paul quoted Habakkuk 2:4]
121.) Gal 3:12 [Paul quoted Lev.18:5]
122.) Gal.3:13 [Paul quoted Deut 11:26-28; 27:15-26]
123.) Gal.3:16 [Paul quoted Gen.12:7; 13:15; 24:7]
124.) Gal.4:27 [Paul quoted Isaiah 54:1]
125.) Gal.4:30 [Paul quoted Gen.21:10]
126.) Gal.5:14 [Paul quoted Lev.19:18]

*Ephesians:
127.) Eph.4:8 [Paul quoted Psalm 68:18]
128.) Eph.4:25 [Paul quoted Zechariah 8:16]
129.) Eph.4:26 [Paul quoted Psalm 4:4]
130.) Eph.5:31 [Paul quoted Gen.2:24]
131.) Eph.6:2 [Paul quoted Deut.5:16]

*Philippians:
132.) Philipp.2:17 [Paul related himself to a drink offering (Lev.23:13)]

*1 Thessalonians:
133.) 1Thess.4:2 [Paul taught to walk in the Commandments of YHWH]
134.) 1Thess.4:3 [Paul taught to avoid sexual immorality (Lev.20)]
135.) 1Thess.5:1-11 [Paul taught that those who don’t know the Feast Days are in darkness/blind]

*2 Thessalonians:
136.) 2Thess.1:8 [Paul quoted Isaiah 24:23]

*1 Timothy:
137.) 1Tim.1:8 [Paul taught that the Torah is good if one uses it right]
138.) 1Tim.5:18 [Paul quoted Deut.25:4]
139.) 1Tim.5:19 [Paul taught the concept of two witnesses (Deut.19:15)]

*2 Timothy:
140.) 2Tim.3:15 [Paul said Timothy had known the “Holy Scriptures” (Torah/Prophets) since his youth]
141.) 2Tim.3:16 [Paul referred to the Torah/Prophets when he said “Scripture, Doctrine, Instruction”]
142.) 2Tim.4:6 [Paul related himself as a drink offering (Lev.23:13)]

*Titus:
143.) Titus 2:9 [Paul taught obedience to the Torah concerning bondservants & masters (Deut.15:12-18)]
144.) Titus 2:14 [Paul taught that Yeshua died so we will have zeal for good works (Torah)]

-Other Epistles-

*Hebrews:
145.) Heb.1:5 [quoted Ps.2:7/2Sam.7:14]
146.) Heb.1:6 [quoted Deut.32:43/Psalm 97:7]
147.) Heb.1:7 [quoted Ps.104:4]
148.) Heb.1:9 [quoted Ps.45:6-7]
149.) Heb.1:12 [quoted Ps.102:25-27]
150.) Heb.1:13 [quoted Ps.110:1]
151.) Heb.2:8 [quoted Ps.8:4-6]
152.) Heb.2:12 [quoted Ps.22:22]
153.) Heb.2:13 [quoted 2Sam.22:3/Isaiah 8:17-18]
154.) Heb.3:11 [quoted Ps. 5:7-11]
155.) Heb.3:15 [quoted Ps.95:7-8]
156.) Heb.4:3 [quoted Ps.95:11]
157.) Heb.4:4 [quoted Gen.2:2]
158.) Heb.4:5 [quoted Ps.95:11]
159.) Heb.4:7 [quoted Ps.95:7-8]
160.) Heb.5:5 [quoted Ps.2:7]
161.) Heb.5:6 [quoted Ps.110:4]
162.) Heb.6:14 [quoted Gen.22:17]
163.) Heb.7:17 [quoted Ps.110:4]
164.) Heb.7:21 [quoted Ps.110:4]
165.) Heb.8:5 [quoted Ex.25:40]
166.) Heb.8:12 [quoted Jer.31:31-34]
167.) Heb.9:20 [quoted Ex. 24:8]
168.) Heb.10:7 [quoted Ps.40:6-8]
169.) Heb.10:16 [quoted Jer.31:33]
170.) Heb.10:17 [quoted Jer.31:34]
171.) Heb.10:30 [quoted Deut.32:35-36]
172.) Heb.10:37 [quoted Hab.2:3-4]
173.) Heb.11:5 [quoted Gen.5:24]
174.) Heb.11:18 [quoted Gen.21:2]
175.) Heb.12:6 [quoted Prov.3:11-12]
176.) Heb.12:20 [quoted Ex.19:12-13]
177.) Heb.12:21 [quoted Deut.9:19]
178.) Heb.12:26 [quoted Hag.2:6]
179.) Heb.13:5 [quoted Deut.31:6-8/Josh.1:5]
180.) Heb.13:6 [quoted Ps.118:6]

*James:
181.) Jam.1:22-24 [James taught to be a doer of the Word]
182.) Jam.1:25 [The Torah is liberating]
183.) Jam.2:8 [James quoted Lev.19:18]
184.) Jam.2:11 [James quoted Ex.20:13-14/Deut.5:17-18]
185.) Jam.2:23 [James quoted Gen.15:6]
186.) Jam.3:2-12 [James did a midrash on the evil tongue (Lev.14)]
187.) Jam.4:6 [James quoted Prov.3:34]
188.) Jam.4:12 [James said YHWH is our Lawgiver. Why need a Lawgiver if the Law is done away with?]

*1 Peter:
189.) 1Pet.1:16 [Peter quoted Lev.11:44-45; 19:2; 20:7]
190.) 1Pet.1:25 [Peter quoted Isaiah.40:6-8]
191.) 1Pet.2:6 [Peter quoted Isaiah 28:16]
192.) 1Pet.2:7 [Peter quoted Ps.118:22]
193.) 1Pet.2:8 [Peter quoted Isaiah 8:14]
194.) 1Pet.2:22 [Peter quoted Isaiah 53:9]
195.) 1Pet.3:12 [Peter quoted Ps.34:12-16
196.) 1Pet.3:14 [Peter quoted Isaiah 8:12]
197.) 1Pet.4:8 [Peter quoted Prov.10:12]
198.) 1Pet.4:11 [Peter taught to speak as the Oracles of YHWH (Heb.5:12; Acts 7:38; Rom.3:2)]
199.) 1Pet.4:18 [Peter quoted Prov.11:31]
200.) 1Pet.5:5 [Peter quoted Prov.3:34]

*2 Peter:
201.) 2Pet.2:22 [Peter quoted Prov.26:11]

*1 John:
202.) 1Jo.2:3-5 [We are YHWH’s children if we keep His commandments]
203.) 1Jo.2:6 [We are to walk as Yeshua Messiah walked (Torah)]
204.) 1Jo.3:4 [Sin is violating the Torah]
205.) 1Jo.3:22 [We are to do YHWH’s commandments and do things that are pleasing to Him]
206.) 1Jo.3:23 [To believe in Yeshua as Messiah is a Torah based faith]
207.) 1Jo.3:24 [Those who keep YHWH’s commandments abide in Him, and He in them]
208.) 1Jo.5:2 [We are YHWH’s children if we keep His commandments]
209.) 1Jo.53 [It is the love of YHWH to keep His commandments and they aren’t a burden]

*2 John:
210.) 2Jo.1:6 [It is love to walk in His commandments]
211.) 2Jo.1:9 [Violators of Torah do not abide in the teaching of Yeshua which is to follow Torah]
[Those who abide in the teaching of Messiah has both YHWH and Yeshua]
212.) 2Jo.1:10 [John said to have nothing to do with those who teach against the teaching of Messiah]

*Jude:
213.) Jude 1:12 [“love feasts” were the Feast Days (Lev.23)]

-Revelation-
214.) Rev.1:6 [The Torah comes forth from Yeshua’s mouth]
215.) Rev.12:17 [The adversary is enraged mainly with those who keep Torah & believe in Yeshua]
216.) Rev.14:12 [Those who endure are they that keep the Torah and believe in Yeshua]
217.) Rev.19:15 [Yeshua judges and strikes the nations with the Torah (Word of YHWH/His Sword)]
218.) Rev.22:14

 

Me  oh my,     How come the GOD of the old covenant and new convenant , and who spoke through Holy men of GOD , prophets and recorded apostels

and The God who spoke from heaven n revelations ,    SOUNDS NOTHING LIKE THIS LOVE GOD I hear preached today .  

I don't think it will take too many GUESSES to figure that answer out .  HOW come in the Bible that GOD expressed HIS LOVE

by sending the SON and by CORRECTION,   yet todays version of GOD taught by most is all about acceptance of rather than repentance from sins .    

A hint.    IF the GOD you hear people speak of today,  SOUNDS WAY DIFFERENT than the GOD recorded in the bible ,    well lets just say the serpent sure likes to twist things . 

[frienduff thaylorde]

6 hours ago, JohnD said:

Since the dawn of history mankind has misunderstood God.

Everything God has done with humanity was from love and for mankind's best interest.

We can see his grace, for example, as early as Genesis 3. God could have thrown in the towel... that's it you blew it... the ONE thing I told you not to do, and because your seed is now tainted I'm killing off humanity before it ever gets started... and look at how you've ruined creation with your sin!

Is that what happened?

No.

I think of God trying to reach humanity is not unlike Anne Sullivan trying to reach Helen Keller through the vast darkness and profound deafness.

Apply heat, poke two fingers into the hand. Repeat until understood. "Hot."

In the process, people portray God as mean, judgmental, unloving, bent on pounding humanity over the head and sending people to hell.

Just the opposite is true.

We have people in Christianity today who do the same thing without realizing it... in bringing the Old Testament into the New. The law was to establish the rules and the futility of trying anything but grace to be saved. Reject the grace or try to add to it or take away from it and the law is the only thing left... and none of us can stand up to the law. ← that's the point.

So here we are 1900+ years after the fact still trying to add legalism to Christianity and wondering why there are so many divisions. 

1. Let God tell his own story.

2. Try to see things from his perspective.

3. Be amazed how much he cares for us.

 

1. Let God tell his own story.

2. Try to see things from his perspective.

3. Be amazed how much he cares for us.

Solution READ the BIBLE and Follow the SPIRIT and this is easily seen.

Rather odd that today Gods own story seems to come from the carnal minds of men.

and they see things from their own carnal perspective, get a goosebump and say ALAS I must be hearing from GOD

And how come todays version of GOD caring for us , seems to accept evil and not rather warn and reprove .

Cause the GOD I read about warned , WHY will YOU DIE ,  repent , REPENT

today its JUDGER , LEGALIST,   hater ,    if anyone even comes reminding about THE GOD and not rather just accepting this god of this worlds version

by whom it holds captive the hearts of the blind and says ........HEY YOU SEE , YOU SEE.............yet they don't therefore their sin remains .

[4LdKHVCzRDj2]

8 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

SOUNDS NOTHING LIKE THIS LOVE GOD I hear preached today .

It is a deception that is being preached. God is holy, and to anyone to be accepted and forgiven must REPENT and turn to the only true Lord and Savior: The Lord Jesus Christ.

 

To say YES to sin and the flesh is to say NO to God.

"And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world,
    and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." - John 3:19

 

Solution: Surrender to the Lord Jesus Christ, before it is too late.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." - John 1:12-13

 

Glory to God! Amen.

[Guest Butero]

7 hours ago, Yowm said:

It may come a shock to some here but God is Love...not only love, but love nonetheless.

1Jn_4:8  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn_4:16  And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

2Pe 3:9  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1Co 13:13  So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Gal 5:22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Exo 34:6-7  The LORD passed before him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness,  (7)  keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation.”

 Psa 86:5  For you, O Lord, are good and forgiving, abounding in steadfast love to all who call upon you.

Yes the same loving God of the New Testament is that same loving God of the Old. Hopefully the fruit we bear will be a reflection of that love as we learn of His greatest attribute.

 

Just as a person has different sides to them, so does God.  In addition to love, we see jealousy, anger, wrath and justice.  He is even called a God of war.  God is the same yesterday, today and forever.  I can give example after example of reasons people should be terrified of God, based on things he has done in the Old and New Testament, and things he will do, based on prophecy.  The love message in the OP is a lie.  I can back up everything I said using scripture, but it would make one massive post.  

[simplejeff]

9 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Maybe you didn't read my first sentence?

Maybe he did/   notice who/what his post refers to:

10 minutes ago, Yowm said:

2 hours ago, Butero said:

Just as a person has different sides to them, so does God.  In addition to love, we see jealousy, anger, wrath and justice.  He is even called a God of war.  God is the same yesterday, today and forever.  I can give example after example of reasons people should be terrified of God, based on things he has done in the Old and New Testament, and things he will do, based on prophecy.  The love message in the OP is a lie.  I can back up everything I said using scripture, but it would make one massive post.  

Maybe you didn't read my first sentence? ...'not only love, but love nonetheless.'

God is love ...as well as just and holy. Do you call that a lie?

 

[Guest Butero]

15 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Maybe you didn't read my first sentence? ...'not only love, but love nonetheless.'

God is love ...as well as just and holy. Do you call that a lie?

You didn't read what I said very carefully.  I said the love message in the OP was a lie, not what you said.  

[Guest Butero]

26 minutes ago, Yowm said:

But you quoted me, why? I was rather affirming the OP?

What specific thing was a lie in the OP?

I quoted you because you were "rather affirming the OP."  The OP is trying to get us to stop looking at the acts of God in the Old Testament, as though they are not relevant to seeing God's nature.  That is a lie.  Everything God does isn't simply for our best interest.  It is because God is holy and has a divine order he expects us to follow.  Was it in the best interest of Ananias to strike him dead?  Of course not.  He sinned and was punished, as was his wife.  

Legalism, the mythical sin has nothing to do with misunderstanding God's nature and giving him a bad rap.  The phony love message makes everything about us, like all God does is because of his love for us, even bad things, when often times, he smites someone because they anger him with their sin.  It is not all about us.