frienduff thaylorde Posted March 16, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.31 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: Need to repent indeed. Without repentance there is no forgiveness. People can be deceived if they walk in repentance they are working to be saved (another strategy of Satan). "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance" - Matthew 3:8 "but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance." - Acts 26:20 And this is where most people are deceived and do not keep seeking. "Now the just shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him." - Hebrews 10:38 "So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple." - Luke 14:33 "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." - Matthew 7:14 And God is not mocked, those who do not repent will not receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." - Galatians 6:7-8 Glory to God! Amen. In letters to the early church how often it was said , That you walk Worthy of the Lord . Which is your reasonable service. Since we know by grace the Love of GOD is shed upon our hearts , and we know that the Love which comes from GOD fulfills . And we know two commandments sum up the law . LOVE GOD with all heart mind soul and your neighbor as yourself . Then what we should know is IF we truly have that love on our heart . WE would Love Christ and that means we would Do His sayings. His sayings actually fulfill all . IF we truly have the SPIRIT , it brings to mind His sayings , unctions them right into the heart and mind . Who we obey is whose we are and who we obey and follow is where we will end up . Cant follow Christ for only part of the journey , it has to have been to the end . So leap up my friend of multiple letters and rejoice in the Lord . You are loved . The thing is I hear some who say the same thing like love fulfills the law etc. But their version of love is just unity and hugs just be yoked together and have some good works . And all the while they themselves not only walk in sin , they encourage others that all is well, God is love and correct nothing . Well they do correct , but its the wrong ones . They correct those who truly do correct . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted March 16, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.31 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The thing is that many have been trained by men who were trained by men , but the men were not following the whole biblical pattern . I don't know if anyone else noticed this , but I noticed something in a few churches I was once visiting . Pastors either being switched and the new ones coming in were BIG ON this , staying in one letter. usually JOHN or ephesians . Taking forever and a day to explain it . And how they made the focus , took the overall rightly divided focus of the scrips away. It became a LOVE GOSPLE which without correction , I dare say THAT aint love . they made the focus on some good works like community work , but took the focus off of true evangelizing , true warnings . A lot of churches , many churches really went hog wild over the Daniel plan and evangelism changed big time under that . And the thing is , Daniel plan was written by a man who was far gone from true christanity. IF leaders who should be well seasoned brought that into churches, then they had no business ever leading to start with . I seen Daniel plan years back , popping up on billboard churches all my town. I highly doubt it was JUST my town . Churches that did it , did start to grow , their is no denying that . they swelled . but oh dear the mindset of those poor people is far from the biblical pattern now . Daniel plan, seeker friendly , contemplative prayer and scores of other things like the shack and other books circle makers and every pop and feel good message has truly destroyed many and left them destitute of the truth. IT prepared their minds for what is and is gaining ground . the unity move , which will and is preparing the minds for interfaith which is and will prepare the minds for the anti Christ , beast and the darkest hour . We just rapidly approaching the end . The enemy destroyed from within , and in time as this gains more ground in the hearts and minds of many The enemy will use this to come against the true lambs . We really are in the last of days , we truly , truly are . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted March 16, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 478 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,561 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 hours ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said: The commandments and teachings of the New Testament can only be kept and lived by grace--which is the power of God to do His will, something that only Christians have, and which the Jews did not have to keep the law that they were given. We are saved by grace through faith (And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8,9); but what we do after being saved does determine whether we stay saved. That's not "works salvation"; it's just abiding by God's conditions for keeping what was given to us as a free gift. Just because we didn't do anything to receive it, doesn't mean that it doesn't come with conditions for keeping it once we have received it. All of God's promises have conditions, and focusing on His promises while ignoring the conditions of the promises is a big mistake. Both need to be recognized. We are saved so long as we choose to remain in Christ after coming to be in Him; but God doesn't take away our free will when He saves us, so that we cannot choose not to remain in Christ. His commandments are not just helpful hints for how to live a Christian life; God absolutely expects us to keep them, by His grace, and there are consequences for not doing so---not just the chastening of the Lord, but even the potential forfeiture of our salvation. (That many Christians do not understand or accept this very important truth does not change the fact that it is what the New Testament teaches.) I guess people just don't understand how there can be work required for keeping something that was given to them as a gift and not because of works. It's never baffled me, and it amazes me how this simple and fundamental Christian truth eludes so many people, when it's very plainly explained in the New Testament. But the Holy Spirit is our Teacher, not just the Bible itself; so unless God explains this to a Christian, he or she won't understand it or believe it, even with all the Scripture in the New Testament. Works done/required to be saved? No. Works done/required to stay saved after being saved? Yes. The idea that keeping the commandments of the New Testament in order to keep one's salvation is "works salvation" is ludicrous, in light of what the New Testament plainly teaches. Keeping God's commandments is the love of God, according to God; and Jesus said that to abide in His love we must keep His commandments (one of which, but obviously not the only one, if you don't take one or two scriptures out of the greater context of the rest of the New Testament, is to love one another). Christians can protest the doctrine of conditional eternal security if they want to, and call it whatever they want to call it, but it's not going to change the truth of what the Bible actually teaches. Revisit the New Testament's teachings about this and make sure you know the truth about it for yourself, and don't let anyone who focuses on God's promises while dismissing their conditions, and who stands on selected scriptures taken out of context or misunderstood, give you false assurances of something that God Himself does not. Spiritual strength and safety lies in knowing the truth. The bible teaches sanctification which is our life when we get saved. If we can lose our salvation we were not born again. He who is born again does not practice sin because his seed is in him. If you would start to practice sin and lose your so call salvation you were not born again. Again he who is born again does not practice and cannot not. Because he has the seed of God I don't know why people cannot understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightShinesInTheDarkness Posted March 16, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 426 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/20/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Wayne222 said: The bible teaches sanctification which is our life when we get saved. If we can lose our salvation we were not born again. He who is born again does not practice sin because his seed is in him. If you would start to practice sin and lose your so call salvation you were not born again. Again he who is born again does not practice and cannot not. Because he has the seed of God I don't know why people cannot understand it. If that were true, brother, then how come so many true Christian men are addicted to porn? They're all unsaved, I suppose? How come true Christians can and do backslide in various ways? They're all false too? Why would Jesus have told Christians to remain in Him and to remain in His love if they had no choice but to do so? And if He wasn't talking to Christians, why would He be telling unsaved people to remain in Him and He in them? Why were the Laodiceans about to be vomited OUT of Christ if Christians can't lose their salvation? (You can't be vomited out of Christ unless you're in Him in the first place.) Jesus was knocking on the door of His own church, not the heart of an unsaved person, as is commonly believed. Neither can the love of a man who never had any love for God in the first place be lukewarm or grow cold. Neither can a branch be broken off of a Vine it was never a part of. Neither can a man who has never known the truth fall away from it. Neither can a man who has no garment wash his robe. Neither can one lose salvation he never had. Neither can a man who has never come to life be "twice-dead" (Jude). If Christians don't sin, what is 1 John 1:9 for? Unsaved people? What is the chastening of the Lord for? Do you sin? Are you therefore false? It's not whether a person sins that determines whether he or she is a Christian or not, but whether the Spirit of Jesus lives in him or her. And just because a Christian has the Holy Spirit, doesn't mean that he or she can't or won't choose not to obey Him. The behavior of some truly born-again people can be worse than that of some unsaved people. That doesn't mean the sinning Christian is not saved, it means he or she is being disobedient to God's word and will and is not keeping in step with His Spirit as he or she should be---and perhaps is under demonic influence or oppression also, which can happen to Christians who choose to disobey the Lord. They don't need to repent to be born-again if they already are; they need to repent of their disobedience and start obeying. That verse or verses from 1 John about people who continue to sin having never known Jesus is talking about people who claim to have been born again but never actually were, and so they keep living and behaving like unsaved people because that's what they are. It is not talking about people who actually are born again but by their own choices fall away from Jesus after being saved. They are two different things. Apostate does not mean you were never actually saved, it means you are or were saved but have fallen away from your faith---not necessarily with the words of your mouth, but with your obedience to Jesus Christ and the teachings of the faith. (See Jesus' warning to the Ephesian church in Revelation 2 and to Sardis in Revelation 3.) I strongly suggest you revisit the teachings of the NT about this, brother. It's not my place or authority to teach doctrine, but I do share what the Lord has taught me with others as He leads and permits, and point other Christians back to His word to learn what they may need to learn from Him. And I've learned that there is no human way to make this doctrine clear to a Christian who is confused about it---not with all the Scripture in the New Testament. God must give him or her that understanding. And I hope He will do so for you, and anyone else who may need it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted March 16, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 478 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,561 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2018 Your going by reason. I am going by 1 John. Men can fall to sin that's why Paul wrote take need lest you fall. But they will repent if they are born again. Simple theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted March 16, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.31 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Sing some praises to the Lord peoples . Just get up and dance to the LORD and Blessed be the name of the LORD . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted March 17, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said: but took the focus off of true evangelizing , true warnings . 12 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said: they made the focus on some good works like community 12 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said: It became a LOVE GOSPLE which without correction , I dare say THAT aint love . The problem is that the practice of sin is becoming more and more common each day. Sin is becoming something they are not worried about anymore. "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron" - 1 Timothy 4:1-2 They have no love for the truth. They love themselves, they love iniquity, that is what they are calling love. They prefer to love the flesh, and love for the Spirit is just colder and colder. "And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold." - Matthew 24:12 There is a radio channel here that they honor the Lord in mouth, talk about love, praise the pope and many saints, they even pray in Jesus' name and ask people to drink water to receive a miracle, they talk about the Lord's sacrifice and His blood, confess how wicked they are, but they do not repent. Whenever I hear this, all that comes to my mind is this verse: "Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" - Matthew 7:22-24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted March 17, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.31 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: The problem is that the practice of sin is becoming more and more common each day. Sin is becoming something they are not worried about anymore. "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron" - 1 Timothy 4:1-2 They have no love for the truth. They love themselves, they love iniquity, that is what they are calling love. They prefer to love the flesh, and love for the Spirit is just colder and colder. "And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold." - Matthew 24:12 There is a radio channel here that they honor the Lord in mouth, talk about love, praise the pope and many saints, they even pray in Jesus' name and ask people to drink water to receive a miracle, they talk about the Lord's sacrifice and His blood, confess how wicked they are, but they do not repent. Whenever I hear this, all that comes to my mind is this verse: "Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" - Matthew 7:22-24 Something just occurred so clear to me , it brought heaviness for many. It simply don't matter if we are grave , or compassionate , or come encouraging praise . IF we stick to the overall doctrines and patterns JESUS set and the Apostels set and taught. IT wont matter if one comes singing it and another comes being grave, they just don't want to hear it or be reminded . That is so sad . I mean if we read the WHOLE of the gosples , see JESUS and watch every thing he taught and how he reacted. Then read the letters as A WHOLE and look and examine those . THEN read revealtions , specially the message to the seven churches . And I seen constant reminders , warnings , gravity compassion , but the whole of it and the approach towards unbelief or error , or the overall fear of the LORD and Praise to Him . Just the way they taught , IS SO DIFFERENT than the tons of responses I see and hear from so many. Its like evil men just changed things and worse the people loved and love to have it so. I mean , goodness when I get seen as a son of perdition by one , and far out their for simply reminding to keep JESUS sayings , MAN that speaks volumns of the error that has just filled the place. I mean since when Did reminding the people to keep JESUS sayings , become seen as at the least erroneous and at the worst as a son of perdition . But onward we go my friend of many letters . Onward in the Lord . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted March 17, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: see JESUS and watch every thing he taught and how he reacted. 5 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: THEN read revealtions , specially the message to the seven churches . Men may change. But the Lord did not change, He is the same. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." - Hebrews 13:8 4 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: they just don't want to hear it or be reminded . That is so sad . 7 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: I mean , goodness when I get seen as a son of perdition by one , and far out their for simply reminding to keep JESUS sayings "Most assuredly, I say to you that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; and you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy." - John 16:20 "Therefore you now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you." - John 16:22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted March 17, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.31 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: Men may change. But the Lord did not change, He is the same. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." - Hebrews 13:8 "Most assuredly, I say to you that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; and you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy." - John 16:20 "Therefore you now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you." - John 16:22 Woe unto you when men shall speak well of you for so did they unto the false prophets . Onward in the Lord my friend of many letters , the VICTORY IS HIS , let all who love Him in Spirit and truth follow him faithfully, obeying the Spirit and praising the Lord . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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