Still Alive Posted July 30, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: But the way you are trying to see or grasp truth , is only making it harder for you to grasp it . You are way overcomplicating and over thinking things . Ease thy mind , ease , slow the engine down a bit . ON this road you are going to way overcomplicate what is so simple and should have been so simple TO KNOW in CHRIST . What's kind of funny is that I feel that I am the one that is keeping it simple. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted July 30, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.33 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Still Alive said: What's kind of funny is that I feel that I am the one that is keeping it simple. ? Okay . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie T Posted July 30, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 528 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 102 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/26/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Still Alive said: What's kind of funny is that I feel that I am the one that is keeping it simple. ? You actually are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 31, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2018 15 hours ago, Willie T said: You actually are. Hey, I'm halfway through the third of 8 50+ minute sermons. So far this guy is making a lot of sense in ways that are actually straightforward once you connect the dots. I'm at the part where his saying the Harlot in revelation is what "the Harlot" is in all of the bible: Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 9 hours ago, Still Alive said: Hey, I'm halfway through the third of 8 50+ minute sermons. So far this guy is making a lot of sense in ways that are actually straightforward once you connect the dots. I'm at the part where his saying the Harlot in revelation is what "the Harlot" is in all of the bible: Israel. Yeah, that's anti-Semitism that is inherent in the lie of Preterism. Preterism will make a Jew-hater out of just about anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 31, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 hours ago, shiloh357 said: Yeah, that's anti-Semitism that is inherent in the lie of Preterism. Preterism will make a Jew-hater out of just about anyone. I can see where one would get that out of it. But there is plenty of scripture to prevent me, at least, from going there. I do admit that as I listened I actually said to myself, "Man, someone could use this, if that was their goal, as an argument for anti-semitism. But the bible says this about that in Romans 11: 28 Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. 29 For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 1, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, shiloh357 said: Yeah, that's anti-Semitism that is inherent in the lie of Preterism. Preterism will make a Jew-hater out of just about anyone. Hey, I listened farther into the sermons and he ended up addressing this in the sixth one. He was making the claim that the jewish leadership was in league with Nero in killing Christians, but made a strong effort to point out that this was not "the jews" that were persecuting Christians. Rather, it was the same Jewish leadership that had Rome crucify Christ. Also, I get the feeling he is a preterist of a sort, but still anticipates the return of Christ as most other Christians do. He also skewered literalists. He has the same attitude toward them as I do toward atheists. That is, he's heard a lot of people that claim to be, but he's never actually met one. Nobody believes the obvious symbolism in the bible is literal. That makes them, like everyone, just picking and choosing what they believe is literal and what isn't. Edited August 1, 2018 by Still Alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Still Alive said: Hey, I listened farther into the sermons and he ended up addressing this in the sixth one. He was making the claim that the jewish leadership was in league with Nero in killing Christians, but made a strong effort to point out that this was not "the jews" that were persecuting Christians. Rather, it was the same Jewish leadership that had Rome crucify Christ. That may be true, but that doesn't qualify Nero as the Antichrist, as they claim. Preterism really hinges on the date of Revelation; that is the lynch pin for them. If Revelation was indeed written post 70 AD, their entire prophetic infrastructure collapses. The evidence for Revelation being written in 95 AD is far stronger than any evidence Preterists can provide since most of their evidence is rooted in allegorizing the Bible in addition to history revisionism. Quote Also, I get the feeling he is a preterist of a sort, but still anticipates the return of Christ as most other Christians do. He is a partial preterist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted August 1, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: The evidence for Revelation being written in 95 AD is far stronger than any evidence Preterists can provide since most of their evidence is rooted in allegorizing the Bible in addition to history revisionism. He makes the case that the opposite is true. That is, that there is only one source for the information used to say it was written in 96, and people are even confused regarding what he was really saying. I just did a quick search and this seems to discuss it in more detail: http://ecclesia.org/truth/revelation.html And here is the other side: https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1552-when-was-the-book-of-revelation-written Edited August 1, 2018 by Still Alive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie T Posted August 1, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 528 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 102 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/26/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: That may be true, but that doesn't qualify Nero as the Antichrist, as they claim. Preterism really hinges on the date of Revelation; that is the lynch pin for them. If Revelation was indeed written post 70 AD, their entire prophetic infrastructure collapses. The evidence for Revelation being written in 95 AD is far stronger than any evidence Preterists can provide since most of their evidence is rooted in allegorizing the Bible in addition to history revisionism. He is a partial preterist. As I have said, without reading the book, you actually haven't the slightest idea what he wrote, and what "proofs", both pro and con, he presented. It is actually one of the most comprehensive compilations of the views of both sides I had yet read. Edited August 1, 2018 by Willie T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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