Democrat Chairman Promotes SOCIALIST Candidate

[hmh]

And soon he'll be screaming all the states he will attempt to conquer again.

[Leonard]

Oh no! NOW I'M AGREEING WITH CERRAN! I'm becoming muuuuuch too agreeable. I'm becoming a regular squeezable teddy bear!

[amor]

Amor: It is clear you know nothing of the Communists' old 'bait and switch.' They pretend to be for the poor, but that's only to convince the voters that the 'rich' are somehow out to do them damage.

The rich are only rich because they offer goods and services others want. If they abuse that trust, the 'others' will buy from somebody else. The rich are dependent on the less prosperous classes, and have a vested interest in raising the weal of ALL the people.

You are just advertising Marxist 'class-struggle' ideology here. You have been duped into thinking in terms of a materialist dialectic. The fact is Marx was a complete phony. He HATED ALL MANKIND. In his personal letters to Engles, there is not ONE positive reference to humanity. Over and over he calls them 'fools,' 'detestable humanity,' 'the disgusting human race,' etc. He says he wishes to create an idiology which will bring 'permanent fire, blood, and war upon all mankind,' because he hates humanity so badly. Of course, PUBLICLY, it's all about being 'concerned for the poor.' That's exactly the Marxist plan to dupe the unwary.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's not just in the worksa of Marx that the rich get a bad press. After all it was Jesus not Karl who said that it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

And the canticle of Mary in the opening of Luke is clear that God does not look favourably upon the rich and powerful and with favour on the poor.

46 And Mary said,

"My soul magnifies the Lord,

47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,

48 for he has looked with favor on the lowliness of his servant.

Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed;

49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me,

and holy is his name.

50 His mercy is for those who fear him

from generation to generation.

51 He has shown strength with his arm;

he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts.

52 He has brought down the powerful from their thrones,

and lifted up the lowly;

53 he has filled the hungry with good things,

and sent the rich away empty.

54 He has helped his servant Israel,

in remembrance of his mercy,

55 according to the promise he made to our ancestors,

to Abraham and to his descendants forever."

All through the Bible there is a strong focus on the fact that the poor do suffer oppression from the rich who rathyer than being:" rich because they offer goods and services others want" are often rich because they take that which others need. You attack "socialists" for being un-biblical but the free market ideology that you expound is itself overtly rejects the biblical focus on the need for a just society to focus on the material well being of all in society. As for Roosevelt his policies were much less radical than many of those expounded in the Bible, which overtly rejects the right for people to hold land in perpetuity:

23 " 'The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants. 24 Throughout the country that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land.

25 " 'If one of your countrymen becomes poor and sells some of his property, his nearest relative is to come and redeem what his countryman has sold. 26 If, however, a man has no one to redeem it for him but he himself prospers and acquires sufficient means to redeem it, 27 he is to determine the value for the years since he sold it and refund the balance to the man to whom he sold it; he can then go back to his own property. 28 But if he does not acquire the means to repay him, what he sold will remain in the possession of the buyer until the Year of Jubilee. It will be returned in the Jubilee, and he can then go back to his property.

[amor]

Amor: It is clear you know nothing of the Communists' old 'bait and switch.' They pretend to be for the poor, but that's only to convince the voters that the 'rich' are somehow out to do them damage.

The rich are only rich because they offer goods and services others want. If they abuse that trust, the 'others' will buy from somebody else. The rich are dependent on the less prosperous classes, and have a vested interest in raising the weal of ALL the people.

You are just advertising Marxist 'class-struggle' ideology here. You have been duped into thinking in terms of a materialist dialectic. The fact is Marx was a complete phony. He HATED ALL MANKIND. In his personal letters to Engles, there is not ONE positive reference to humanity. Over and over he calls them 'fools,' 'detestable humanity,' 'the disgusting human race,' etc. He says he wishes to create an idiology which will bring 'permanent fire, blood, and war upon all mankind,' because he hates humanity so badly. Of course, PUBLICLY, it's all about being 'concerned for the poor.' That's exactly the Marxist plan to dupe the unwary.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's not just in the works of Marx that the rich get a bad press. After all it was Jesus not Karl who said that it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

And the canticle of Mary in the opening of Luke is clear that God does not look favourably upon the rich and powerful and with favour on the poor.

46 And Mary said,

"My soul magnifies the Lord,

47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,

48 for he has looked with favor on the lowliness of his servant.

Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed;

49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me,

and holy is his name.

50 His mercy is for those who fear him

from generation to generation.

51 He has shown strength with his arm;

he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts.

52 He has brought down the powerful from their thrones,

and lifted up the lowly;

53 he has filled the hungry with good things,

and sent the rich away empty.

54 He has helped his servant Israel,

in remembrance of his mercy,

55 according to the promise he made to our ancestors,

to Abraham and to his descendants forever."

All through the Bible there is a strong focus on the fact that the poor do suffer oppression from the rich who rather than being:" rich because they offer goods and services others want" are often rich because they take that which others need. You attack "socialists" for being un-biblical but the free market ideology that you expound is itself overtly rejects the biblical focus on the need for a just society to focus on the material well being of all in society. As for Roosevelt his policies were much less radical than many of those expounded in the Bible, which overtly rejects the right for people to hold land in perpetuity:

23 " 'The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants. 24 Throughout the country that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land.

25 " 'If one of your countrymen becomes poor and sells some of his property, his nearest relative is to come and redeem what his countryman has sold. 26 If, however, a man has no one to redeem it for him but he himself prospers and acquires sufficient means to redeem it, 27 he is to determine the value for the years since he sold it and refund the balance to the man to whom he sold it; he can then go back to his own property. 28 But if he does not acquire the means to repay him, what he sold will remain in the possession of the buyer until the Year of Jubilee. It will be returned in the Jubilee, and he can then go back to his property.

[dgolvach]

Socialism believes that man is inherently good. When presented with the right means, and the right governmental system, mankind will elevate itself to an honest, egalitarian and fundamentally just society. On an individual level, this socialist Utopia is characterized by honest, hardworking people, that are respectful to one another. Crime will vanish, abuse of welfare programs disappear, because everyone gets a fair share, and everyone is content with that. After all, it's a fair share. In socialism, mankind is it's own redeemer.

Christianity however says that mankind, left to it's own devices, will not redeem and elevate itself, but rather sink to new lows. People can and will be greedy, abusive, hateful, easily subdued by 'bread and circuses', often preoccupied with their own wellbeing, egocentric, ego

[7cworldwide]

Amen, dgolvach! What a great response!!!

Any government made up of men is imperfect by default. Look at the intentions of the founders of the U.S. (by reading the Declaration of Independence) and the intentions of Marx and you'll come to a very clear conclusion whose was the "more Christian" of the two forms.