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[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Well, that is different, is it not, than declaring preterism a heresy?

Preterism is a heresy, though.  It denies Jesus' promise to return, it denies Jesus' claim that no one knows the day nor the hour of His appearance, a claim which is completely contradicted by preterists who argue that it has already happened. 

It denies the bodily return of Jesus.  It denies the Messianic reign of Jesus, a future resurrection of the saints, the Great White throne judgment, a literal new heavens and new earth, and claims that Jesus return occurred in 70 AD.  It removes from us what Paul refers to as our blessed hope, the appearing of Christ. 

It also removes the urgency of preaching the Gospel.  

Preterism is an assault on the integrity of Scripture and the promises is contains, by extension is an assault on the integrity and character of God who is its divine author.  

Yes, that makes it a heresy.

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9 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Actually, when someone says that the Bible contains two separate contradictory Gospels, one teaching salvation by works (taught by Jesus) and a contradictory Gospel that teaches salvation apart from works, then yes, that is heresy.   To say that Jesus taught salvation works and that baptism was necessary for salvation, that is simply heretical to the core.  

 

This is what I believe and what I preach. 

On 10/20/2018 at 5:16 PM, Badjao33 said:

The gospel that saves us today is the same "good news" that has existed since creation. Faith + 0 = Salvation

On 10/8/2018 at 5:59 AM, Badjao33 said:

This is the gospel. 

Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.  (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)(Acts 16:31)

I'm only saying that the gospel message Jesus and the original disciples shared and took among the Jews was different than the message that was revealed to Paul and what he shared among the gentiles. 

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3 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

it denies Jesus' claim that no one knows the day nor the hour of His appearance,

You realize that he said this while he was still on earth. Whether He returned in 70AD or 2100AD, the statement would still be true

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Badjao33 said:

You realize that he said this while he was still on earth. Whether He returned in 70AD or 2100AD, the statement would still be true

Yes, but if Jesus returned in 70 Ad that statement that no one knows the day nor the hour would no longer be true.  

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I'm only saying that the gospel message Jesus and the original disciples shared and took among the Jews was different than the message that was revealed to Paul and what he shared among the gentiles. 

You are claiming that the Bible contains two contradictory Gospels, one for the Jews and one for everyone else.   And the Bible makes no such claims.  Your view is based on a wrong-headed approach to what Jesus taught.   To say that Jesus taught salvation by works is heretical to the core.  You are trying to patch together a works-based Gospel out of what Jesus taught and it is simply not true.   The types and shadows of the OT regarding salvation ONLY teach salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone.  That is the only Gospel message the Bible knows.    Your view cannot be supported by the Old Testament or the Gospels.   I have already provided several examples where Jesus offered salvation based on faith alone IN the gospels themselves.    

Your view is not supported by scintilla of scripture so long as Scripture is interpreted with skill and understanding and an adhearance to sound doctrine.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

It also removes the urgency of preaching the Gospel.  

The Bible seems to indicate that the Great Commission was accomplished in the first century,  There is still an urgency today to reach the dying world with the gospel though, because all those who die without Christ will perish. 

“And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by accompanying signs.” (Mark 16:20).

 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven.” (Colossians 1:21–23)

...because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth; (Col. 1:5-6) 

“(the Gospel) which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth.” (Colossians 1:6)

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[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, Badjao33 said:

The Bible seems to indicate that the Great Commission was accomplished in the first century,  

The great commission will not be accomplished until Jesus returns which He hasn't.   That is why Satan is behind the teaching that Jesus came in 70 AD. 

 

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5 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, but if Jesus returned in 70 Ad that statement that no one knows the day nor the hour would no longer be true.

If he returned today, then tomorrow everyone would know.  It doesn't matter when He returns or returned, since it was said before He ascended into Heaven, that statement will be true whether he returned the very next day after saying it or 10,000 years from now.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

The great commission will not be accomplished until Jesus returns which He hasn't.   That is why Satan is behind the teaching that Jesus came in 70 AD. 

 

So what did Paul mean when he said that the gospel has been preached to all the world and to every creature under heaven? 

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, Badjao33 said:

If he returned today, then tomorrow everyone would know.  It doesn't matter when He returns or returned, since it was said before He ascended into Heaven, that statement will be true whether he returned the very next day after saying it or 10,000 years from now.

The problem is that He hasn't returned, and that means that no one knows when it will happen.  And so that statement is true based on a correct understanding of the text.  

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Badjao33 said:

So what did Paul mean when he said that the gospel has been preached to all the world and to every creature under heaven? 

it was hyperbole.  No one had reached South America, Central America, North America, China, Korea, Japan, Austraila, and several parts of Europe had not been reached.   Paul, himself, never left the confines of the Roman Empire.