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    Sailing on dry land, photography, artistic painting, decorative concrete, craftmanship in all things, things with motors, working with my hands, Worthy Ministries, the church I attend, my friends and family, the church universal, Bible study, fossils, marine aquariums, computers, building websites, politics a little, but especially my Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ, Creator of the universe. These are a few of my favorite things. I enjoy free will, and what I believe about it is:

    You are free to choose to do what you want to do,
    but you are not free to choose what it is, that you want to do,
    nor are you necessarily able, to do what you choose to do!

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  1. Or a drive-thru at McDonalds - hey, what about super-size me? Lois, I suggest that you keep looking, but don't look for a perfect church, churches have people in them, after all, all of them sinners, hopefully a fair number of them are sinners, saved by grace!
  2. Yes, sometimes funny and peculiar are used interchangeably, but we love him anyway! Back to the real topic: WELCOME BillDavis3347!
  3. Coincidentally I watched that episode on YouTube a night or two ago, too bad Penn is such a potty mouth! I have not read this thread, but I am curious (a simple yes or no will suffice), does the bottled water story have anythings to do with quitting bad habits?
  4. That might be true, but people like me, would worship a loving God, who subjected people to everlasting torment justly.
  5. Yes Peteros, and welcome, by the way. It appears that that George has manually changed your status to "members", so your posting options should have greatly expanded now!
  6. That is typical with Christians, especially Evangelicals. However, we have this way of making up definitions to suit ourselves. However using the following: Dictionary Search for a word cult /kəlt/ Learn to pronounce noun a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. "the cult of St. Olaf" great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (such as a film or book) a system of religious beliefs and ritual also : its body of adherents Christianity fits those definitions of a cult, just fine. Denominations, on the other hands, are: : NAME, DESIGNATION especially : a general name for a category listed under the general denomination of gifts : a religious organization whose congregations are united in their adherence to its beliefs and practices Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, fit those definitions of denominations. Sure, they are not CHRISTIAN denominations (according to Evangelical consensus) but they identify themselves as Christian. My point was, and is, that denominations are not necessarily some evil conspiracies, or means to dividing the body of Christ, destroying unity. Unity and division, are effects of how we react to difference between us. I see a person, who believes in one God in three persons, who is/are the creator of Heaven and Earth, who (the person that is) believes that rebellion against God, or even failing to rise to the level of God's perfection, makes a person a sinner, separated from God. When such a person understands that the Word of God, the second person of the Trinity, became a man in the incarnation at the birth of Jesus, through a virgin, and grew to live a sinless life, and eventually die horribly to redeem sinners back to God, giving them His Perfection, and who will return one day, to judge the living and the dead, you get the idea . . . there I see a sibling in Christ, with whom I have unity, regardless of what a group of people he/she associates with like to call themselves. As a person who is a Christian, who happens to attend a Baptist church at the moment, I am not divided from Lutherans, or Methodists, Messianic Jews or Roman Catholics, to the degree that we agree on who God is, who Jesus is, what sin is, what the cure for sin is, etc. While I have positions about baptism, eschatology, salvation and other things, those things are not what makes me a spiritual sibling. Family squabbles to not prevent me from being a part of a family, and that is mostly, what denominations are, relatively petty stuff. To me, a denomination is usually a shorthand way, of expressing what the squabbles are. Does a friend like Fords or Chevies, BMWs or Hondas? I don't care, they can still be my friend. If I choose to hang out with others, based on their automotive preferences, I can do that, and I can do that in denominations. When people have ideas that create real division, ideas that I cannot tolerate - well that is what differences are for, why we must have them, so we can know who has God's approval, and who does not. 1 Cor 11:19: For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. ESV
  7. Partial quote from an article: From https://www.dailywire.com/news/49300/surprise-new-zealand-gun-owners-arent-giving-their-ashe-schow
  8. I think you are correct Amanda Frances. If I understand the other side's counter argument, and I may not . . . They would agree and say that people are saved by grace, not by their works. That grace is a gift of God, the salvation is not in any way earned. Where they would differ, I think, it that they see that as only part of the equation. A person is saved by grace they would say, but the person is kept safe by works. By their sin and disobedience, they are choosing to give up Christ as Lord, and have decided to be their own Lord, thereby declaring and achieving, their independence from, and relationship with God. They have abandoned the faith, and forfeited salvation. . . . and I suppose there, the response might be, that the ungodly are justified by faith, and it is counted as righteousness, but, when that person's faith fails, they are not longer justified. The points would seem to make a lot of sense, they seem reasonable, and rational, etc. The only problem might be, if in fact, they do not line up with what the scripture says does and will happen. Again, back to those pesky words like never, forever, eternal, etc. Either they mean something, or they do not, and that is what people should try to determine for themselves, from scripture. - Omegaman 3.0
  9. Sorry for the vagueness. What we are sort of expecting is: "Hi, I am new here, I have been a believer (or whatever) for "X" year. I am looking forward to some fellowship and interesting discussions, blah blah blah" After that, some one would say: "Hi, welcome to Worthy". That another would do the same. The newbie would then say:"Thanks for the welcome" or "Nice to meet you". At that point, the non-bot status, would have been established. What I meant by my question about types of prophecy, it that there is prophecy CONTAINED in scripture, and Bible believers believe that. However, there are places in the Bible, that many believe indicate, that there is a spiritual gift of prophecy, or even an office of prophet, that continues even to this day. There is some debate on these points. I asked, fishing to see if that is what your questions was about, were you wondering about modern prophecy, or teaching in the church about prophecy contained is scripture. In the case of my church, we deal with the latter fairly frequently, since we go though the Bible, verse by verse. I believe the figure floating around out there among theologians, is that something like 28% of the Bible's verse, contain prophetic content, or at least relate to it, so for Bible teaching churches, it is hard to avoid. Right now, we are going through the book of Revelation, so yes, we get a little prophecy in there.
  10. Do you mean prophecy that is contained in the Bible, or prophecy, as proclaimed by believers? By the way, this is the introduction and welcome section, not the discussion area, so "Welcome to Worthy"
  11. With a little effort. For example, I once applied for and got, a debit card for a student child. Since the money was prepaid, they where not worried about proving the I.D. of the child. So, I admit to a sort of deception I suppose, the name on the debit card, was Ann Onimus (a play on anonymous). That way I could use the card to donate to various charities, without revealing who I was. My church has bins where donations of food and or clothing can be made. I enter the building during service so I can bring in food and clothing unseen, and deposit my gifts. You can purchase money orders, and use them to make donations. Open a checking account, and they start you out with checks that do not have your name and address. You can scribbles something not legible, in the signature area, and they still cash just fine. Most churches have donation envelopes, and a place where you can deposit them without having to do so in the collection plate - but cash in those, and it is anonymous. It just takes a little thought, there are lots of ways, but the main thing is really about your motive, you can certainly give without saying look at me, or hoping that someone notices what you are doing, that is the point of that part of scripture, where is your heart, what is your motivation. The same thing goes for prayer, even here at Worthy. If you know of a prayer need, you can do that two ways. You can respond with "praying" or "just prayer", and be seen for how special and caring and holy you are, or you can say nothing, and pray without publicizing the fact. Sometimes, it might be good to 'announce' the fact, that you are praying for something, it can be an encouragement. However, announcing it does not make the prayer work better, God responds to prayer, according to his will. Again I think it is about the heart. If you heart is looking for recognition, then do not make your prayers public, keep them between you and God. When someone asks you to pray with them, or for them, in a public setting, how to you do that? Do you just say "no" and let them think you don't care or don't pray? There is probably no need for that. Just mind the motives for which you do things, and you are fine.
  12. Smoked pizza just always sounded good to me, but I am not positive I have ever had any, I think I might have one, but that was a long time ago. For a year or more, I have been considering combining loves of mine, eating good food, and making things of concrete. Often, eating good food, means making your own, especially when you are on limited income as I am. I was thinking about building a wood fired pizza overn, to put in my back patio. It your are not familiar with them, they often look something like this: It dawned on me that while that is within my skill set, that does not mean that it makes any real sense for me yo build one. I live in a home, that when I die, any value I add to it, will benefit my son who lives with me but who could care less about a pizza oven. Not only that, but I don't really entertain, so how much use would I really get out of it? It would be equivalent to me thinking, that home made pizza at $150 each, would make good sense. I don't think so. Today however, it occurred to me, that perhaps I could smoke pizzas, in the smoker I bought last year, I might just give that a go, It will take some experimenting, but experimenting is something I like, I am really sort of an inventor / alchemist at heart. So, I might try this, pretty sure I will try it if any interests is expressed here, but I am not really optimistic that interest will be forth coming. There are not a lot of people that even know about this cooking club, fewer still that have smokers, but, we'll see. I am going to invite the one person I know at worthy who has a smoker, to join, but he is not a big forum focused person, we'll see what happens.
  13. Actually, I have nearly zero interest in whether it is natural or not. I figure that God created the universe, and made our world for us. He made us to be pretty smart, and to be able to learn about His creation. A large part of that learning, is gained from what we call science. Science tells us, that our world is made of elements, and that these elements combine to form chemical compounds. In reality, I think it is fair to consider that everything is natural, in that everything is made of things from our universe, and especially from the earth that God made for us. Let's, for a moment, consider pharmacology, our science of learning about the effects and uses of drugs. We could, for example, consider opium. It is a useful drug, and it has side effects and risks. Pharmacology gives us the means to understand these more fully, and to use opiates with greater predictability. Some people choose to use opium, by smoking poppies. That can have the same sort of problems and addictions, that using other forms of opiates can have. However, some might consider this better, because it is more natural, and some of us think of "natural" and having some sort of magical benefits. We do this with other words, like "organic", or "non-GMO". What we get with these sorts of products, is unpredictability. These less refined, less studied products, have uncertain dosages, variations in natural strength etc. so for me, I find them somewhat more scary than synthesized products. When we make synthetics (non-natural), where we are doing is isolating the specific chemicals we are wanting to use, and not mixing them with various impurities that "natural" products have. Some of those impurities are harmless, or at least that is what we believe so far, and some of them are quite dangerous. I think then, that things like morphine, codeine, etc. are ultimately safer, as long as they are not abused. For another example, buying a bottle of mountain spring water, might sound very appealing, but there are almost no enforced standards on bottled water, at least in the United States. Because of that, that water could contain arsenic, which is a naturally occurring substance in many natural sources of water. I know of no one, who thinks that drinking arsenic, is a good idea. Now, some of us bottled water snobs, pay good money for bottled water, even as much as we pay for gasoline. Municipal tap water, on the other hand costs way way less, and it has enforced testing on a regular basis here, to insure safety. So, for the most part, when given a choice between cheap, safe water, or expensive risky water, which do you think I choose most often? Ironically, if you look at bottled waters, sometimes the ingredients list let's you know, that their "spring water" is just tap water from a big city, how funny is that? That sums up the thinking behind my philosophy of "natural" things, I just prefer purity and predictability, over what I consider too often be the superstition of "natural" things. I know that alienates some who are into the anti-science, back to nature crowd, who often fall victim to junk science as well. So, with regard to a recipe for a fake shake - no, not particularly interested in natural ingredients (though I do not automatically reject them). Here my thinking is simple, all "natural " ingredients are made of the same things. We have a generic name for these things, we call them "chemicals". So I have the choice to choose between impure, unpredictable "natural" chemicals, or, I can choose the pure chemicals, that God gave us the raw materials for, and the intelligence to learn how to refine. I appreciate your contributions and ideas Rubicon, I just prefer my own prejudices over yours. The bananas and oats though sound like good ideas. In fact, I made one with a banana in it this morning. It did add to the body, and that part was pleasant. Had I been smarter, and thought ahead, I would have frozen the banana first, or better still, sliced it and then froze it, it make it easier on the blender. However, the banana also added a flavor to the shake. If I wanted a banana split shake, it would have been excellent. So far though my pursuit is for my favorite flavors, pumpkin, chocolate malt, eggnog, and coffee. I am still working on these, but they are not perfected enough for prime time release here.
  14. I agree, but with reservations. When a person such as a Mormon or a Jehovah's witness tells me they are a Christian, and live out what they believe, I am not as enthusiastic. Depends on not just living it out, but on what they believe. There are a lot of people who have sincere beliefs and live exemplary lives by my standards, but I still grieve for their spiritual trajectory. Then I would rather see them in a "denomination".
  15. Well, . . . Why not? Jude 1:17-19 17 But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18 that they were saying to you, “In the last time there shall be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” 19 These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. 1 Cor 11:18-20 18 For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part, I believe it. 19 For there must also be factions among you, in order that those who are approved may have become evident among you. People are different. People are not perfect. Christians are people, therefore Christians are not perfect. This shows itself, when people read the Bible, they have to decide whether they believe it, or not, or maybe they believe some of it. They also will need to decide, if they will live according to what they believe, or just choose some parts that they will adhere to, while not being so keen on obeying other parts. Then, how should we interpret the Bible? Literally, symbolically, a mixture of the two or something else? Then there will be those who will insist, that one translation of the Bible is so superior to others, that they can make and idol of a version as if the church was without the legitimate word of God until some mere human came along to declare one version to be created, specifically for a certain denomination, how ironic is that? (I just alienated a bunch of people with that last comment, oh well!) The answers to these questions are differences that Christians have. If there was a Christian who believed one thing, then you came along and decided he was wrong on one point, then you are one of those, who created differences and divisions, since you decided to depart from uniform belief with another. Until we come to a place, where we have perfection in thought, and willingness to submit completely to what we know, we will have divisions, it is just part of being human. I believe the Bible. The Bible tells me that you (just like me) are a sinner and rebellious against God. Why then, would I want to look to you as someone I should believe? That would be crazy! Now, suppose I wanted to have a way to distinguish myself from you, so people can know that I do not agree with you about everything. I might give myself a name, a word that represents something I believe. For example, if I believed in full immersion water baptism, I might call myself a baptist. Some other person might identify with that and say: "You know, I am a baptist also!" Now, we have formed a denomination. Is there something wrong with having a name that I go by, that sums up some things I believe and practice? I don't think there is. As a Baptist, I might know of other Christians, who do not call themselves Baptists. However, I find that they believe a lot of things that I do. Perhaps they believe that Jesus pre-existed His birth, as the Word of God, who was with God in the beginning, and was also God at the same time, and that nothing was created without Him. Maybe I would find out, that this other person believed that Jesus was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died on the cross vicariously, to pay for the sins I committed, to ransom me out of Hell to live eternally in the presence of God. Maybe we both believe the Jesus will return again visibly, to gather His church to be with Him forever. With the discovery of these things we have in common, I do not find that I am divided, but that I have unity in the faith with this other person, and with all persons who believe these things no matter what denominational name they use to describe themselves. You may choose to see denominations as divisions, I see them as a way for like minded people to find and identify with others like themselves, so that they can have fellowship, and work together in service to the Lord. There is a local church that I go to. As it happens, it is a Baptist church. I did not choose to hang out with them, because they are Baptists, I hang out with them, because they believe and preach the gospel, they live by the tenets of the faith that I also do. There serve each other, and the serve the community. The admonish each other, and hold each other accountable, and the help others in need, both in the congregation and outside of it, including those who are not even of the faith. Previously I attended a Four Square denomination, for all the same reasons. For me, denominations are not a hindrance, they are a way for people to get together with some sort of structure in order to have unity and avoid chaos, and confusion. Denominations are often full of Christians, and that means they are not perfect. If you ever find a perfect local church, I suggest that you do not join it, because once you join it, it will no longer be perfect. I think it is better, to join others that have the same flaws that we have, and we can work together to work on moving toward the perfection that is in Christ. See also: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/53-division-and-denominations/
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