Omegaman 3.0

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  1. and that is why we apply grace to those who believe differently. I would not want you stumbled, feel free to believe what you want, on non-essential things. I am confident, that there will be plenty in Heaven, of both persuasions, and that people of both persuasions, can love and serve God and spread the Gospel. As an atheist, I was "stumbled" by lack of consistency of applying scientific method, ignoring evidence contrary to consensus viewpoints, inadequate explanations for the way the fossil record exists, geological anomalies, fraudulent science etc, but mostly, I was troubled that on of nothing, came everything, the everything exploded violenty producing extraordinary order and complexity, not life becoming living with time, and the fact that the simplest life forms, already had complex coding in DNA, to program them how to extract energy from there environment and replicate itself, and hundreds of other things that defied all rational odds and evidence, in my estimation. That 'stumbling', compelled me to abandon faith, and eventually I had to go with what I thought was the best evidence. I cam to belief in a young earth, and a disbelief in natural evolution, while I was still an Atheist, based on, as far as I could tell, the evidence from science. No church background, no Bible, no testimony of believers etc. I guess in hind sight that God reversed for be, what Paul described in Romans 1: 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. You said: Once I had the Holy Scriptures reconciled with science, I was able to take the Bible as literal truth. For me in was once I understood God's word, I could filter science through His lens, and I fined science to be fully compatable with the Bible, it is just some scientists, that I find off base. I have always loved science, still do. Science, is knowledge: O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge " There is the rub. Not everything that those who call themselves scientists proclaim, is knowledge. If it were, they would not have to keep adjusting their thinking over they years. For me, personally, not for you, just for me, to believe that the Earth is some 4+ billion years old, or that evolution and biogenesis are the result of natural law that occured without a designer/lawgiver, is a sin. To believe that the Earth was not formed quickly and deliberatily, with lifeforms fully diverse and developed, that the Earth was not flooded higher than all the mountains, is likewise sin. Why is it sin to me? Faith, is counted as righteousness. I am able to believe God, so I thank Him that He took pity one me, loved me, gave me by grace, the faith to believe Him at His word. I do not care how many people of the world, how many experts on biology, forensics, morticians, doctors or other experts tell me, that people who are dead for three days, do not come back to life. God tells me that is what happened, Jesus came back to life. For me, to believe that the world is extremely ancient, because experts say so, is like believing that Jesus did not rise from the dead, because experts say so. I have to apologize to the experts, for trusting God, more than I trust all of them combined. Since I believe God said certain things, for me to deny that, is also to not have faith. What I believe is what I believe, not because I chose to, it is just what I believe. Since failing to do what you know is right is sin, I have no real choice but to be a YEC. Therefore, anyone who knows what is right but fails to do it is guilty of sin. James 4:17 If you truly believe that Genesis is wrong about the creation narrative, and the flood etc. by all means, do what you think is right, I just cannot agree with you on those points. I have no need to reconcile the Bible with science, to me, the priority, is reconciling science, with the Bible
  2. Thanks Steve
  3. Go toward the top of the page, where the tab says "Christian Chat". Click it, follow you way in and join us and see!
  4. This was interesting, but it is also way outside my expertise. I do not know much about AI (artificial intelligence), after 65 years, I am more acquainted with GS (genuine stupidity).
  5. Hi James. Welcome to Worthy. This forum area, is for asking a question, that you want an answer to. You did not ask such a question, so, I am closing the thread. Feel free to start a new thread with a single question, that is what this forum area is for.
  6. Call me stupid if you think that is what this means, but, I sort of feel that when Genesis 7 says: " 19 The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains [q]everywhere under the heavens were covered. 20 The water prevailed fifteen [r]cubits higher, and the mountains were covered. 21 All flesh that [s]moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth, and all mankind; 22 of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died. 23 Thus He blotted out [t]every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the [u]sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark. That is just might mean what it says. The word "all", does not mean "some", "everywhere" does not mean "in one location", in any dictionary or Lexicaon that I have seen. If the water rose 22 feet higher than the mountains of Mesopotamia but stayed local, that has got to be one very large bowl of Jello. The God who spoke the universe into existance, can probably bring about some rain if He chooses. Since the point was to wipe out people everywhere, and just save one family to start the Human race over, why bother with a small group of people in one spot on the Earth, or should we conclude that there were no other people, except the locals? In my estimation, physical evidence is strong for a global flood, either that or everywhere has had catastrophic floods at one time or another, producing similar results. It is interesting to note that flood mythologies, even with animals collected on a boat, are in many, many cultures, as though either there is a history of the event maintained in traditions, or there is something strange wired into human DNA to make us think of the same basic story. I just find it easier to believe, that Genesis means what it appears to say, than to believe that it was either written by a God of deception, or is a fanciful concoction of the mind of man, that appears to line up with physical facts that the writers could not have known about. These kinds of things are what started be down the road from Atheist to full blown Christian, I did not have enough faith, to be an Atheist!
  7. Bible versions, do not typically leave anything out. They work with different texts and text families, and are faithful to the texts they are working with. Of course, you know this and did not mean to imply that the NIV took a KJV, and removed verses from it's pages, as they were not attempting to translate or paraphrase the KJV. Many modern versions, use Greek texts from what are often called Alexandrian Text types. Some scholars, feel that a different family of texts, the Byzantine text type, are to be preferred. Too often, these preferences are used to cause unnecessary infighting between believers, and they too often fail to concentrate on fact that the Bible provides doctrine, and those doctrines are found in both text types. Some believers have an almost cultic type obsession with their preferred versions, but fortunately, most Christians just want the word of God in a way they can understand it, rather than fighting about who is right and who is wrong. When people accuse a Bible version of "leaving something out", most of the time they do not offer evidence that anything was left out, as opposed to the possibility, that their favorite version, may have included in it, verses that did not exist in the original Bible texts. Sometimes, the argument is made, that God does not leave His people, without the word, and so He preserves it. If that is true, then he also preserved it before a version like the KJV, for example, was translated. For myself, I prefer the thinking of the translators of the KJV when they acknowledged that there were already good translations existing, and that in the future, there would be more as better manuscripts might be discovered. The translators of the KJV did a good job, and took their job seriously. It seems though, from reading their own words, that if they lived today, they would not themselves, be KJV only people. They wanted the best manuscripts, the best scholarship, and they wanted the Bible to be in a language, that ordinary people could read in their own language. Good for them. That being said, I am taking the initiative, to lock this thread from further replies, believing that there are already plenty of threads on these forums, that talk about different Bible versions, and their strengths and weaknesses. If a person wants to share their knowledge and opinions with others, they are very welcome to do so, in an existing thread. I encourage people to feel free to debate and discuss these things, in a rational, and polite manner, holding others in the discussion in high regard and respect, even if they disagree. We do not need any more threads to create division and infighting, hard feelings etc. So, this thread is hereby locked, and those who wish to participate in the topic in general, may do so in another thread. However, I advise that such participants read and understand our Terms of Service, and conduct themselves accordingly, or risk having themselves, locked out of such discussions.
  8. and don't get me wrong, I am not being critical of anything you said, just expanding upon it, for the sake of other readers.
  9. It is not only about credit where credit is due. It is much bigger than just that. Sometimes it is not the stories, but the arrangement of letters and words we are protecting. Every Bible in existence, contains stories and ideas that come from God, and are written down by man. However, when the NASB (for example) prints it's version of the Bible, it is not trying to pass off the ideas as the ideas of the Lockman Foundation. Nevertheless, the NASB is copyrighted. Why? Because it is not the ideas that it contains, that are the intellectual property that they are protecting. In that case, it is the actual words. In takes a lot of people, a lot of time, a lot of studying, a lot of translating, a lot of collaborating, editing, proofing, correcting, and eventually, a lot of space, equipment, supplies, marketing and transportation to get these Bibles into our hands. It is right, that these costs be borne by those who benefit from all of this work. This means money! If I come along, and just wholesale make copies of the NASB and distribute them, based on my costs, I am depriving those who did the actual work, the benefits of their labors. Without supporting those who did the real work, we discourage others from engaging in similar activities that benefit all of us. This is a major reason that copyright laws exist. Not only to protect those who do the work, but to insure that those who are the ultimate recipients, can continue to benefit for generations to come. Without the capitalist involved in these venture we might never have had the privilege or owning a Bible, we would at the mercy of a few select priestly types and rich people, to let us know what their hand written copies say. Copyright laws and principles, are good for us!
  10. I want to add, that our policy here, is not limited to what the law has to say. Laws vary from country to country. our terms of service, describe what is the policy on this site, and are subject to change as the need arises. That being said, it is the Christians responsibility to obey laws, so it should not be necessary that we should have to point that out. Things created in the mind of another, are that person's ideas and belong to them, and we should respect that person's property, as we would physical property.
  11. OK, having read that now, Shel, still no forgiveness necessary, but as an aside in general, I do think as a principle, this forums (in general, not this thread in particular) is here not so much as a social club for Christians, but as a ministry. Fellowship can certainly be ministry. However, there are themes here, that is why there are different threads. You have noted, that this thread is getting really lengthy, and the pictures keep getting reposted etc. and have called for people to try to limit that. I think that is a good idea. At the same time though, it is confusing to readers, if someone comments on a picture, that was four pages earlier. It helps to have the picture there, that one is discussing. There are plenty of opportunities to have fellowship, and having a photo them, as a common ground is nice, but at the same time, if sort of excludes some who may not be interested in photos. Not a criticism, just an observation, that the users do not establish the purpose of the forum, and with that in mind, we all ought to consider, in what ways, a topic is glorifying God, helping others, and especially helping others to come to know their savior. With that said . . . perhaps people can keep this in mind, when posting, even pictures, and the discussion about them. Not a restriction, but PPP, Posting Pictures with Purpose!
  12. I have not read it, but I am confident that no forgiveness is necessary, and if there is, I forgive regardless
  13. LOL, That "hits" to close to home!
  14. It is a fair question to ask, one that deserves an answer, but it is not easy to give a succinct and thorough one, those two goals are themselves, contradictory. So, I will attempt to meet in the middle, and provide you with things to consider and study further. I would say that God loves everyone, but He does not love everyone in the same way or to the same degree. He loved sinners, His enemies, enough to send His Son to die for them. That is pretty radical and extreme love. He provided a place for people to live, sending rain on the just and unjust alike, that provision is also a form of love. Clearly though, it is also true, that He does not rescue every sinner from damnation, He elects some, and not others. The Bible is clear, that this choice is not because those He chose, did anything to deserve it. Whatever the reasons for that choice, the reasons are His. At the same time, we cannot ignore verses that sound quite different from a God who loves everyone. Paul quotes such a verse: 9For this is the word of promise: “AT THIS TIME I WILL COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON.”10And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac;11for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, 12it was said to her, “THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.” 13Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.” 14What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15For He says to Moses, “I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION.” 16So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. The topic it a deep and involved one, hard to go into without long and thorough study. If you want to get a good start on understanding that topic, I suggest reading the following: http://s3.amazonaws.com/tgc-documents/carson/2000_difficult_doctrine_of_the_love_of_God.pdf D.A. Carson is a renowned Greek scholar and conservative Bible commentator. . . . and no, there are no contradictions in the Bible, there are things that are difficult to reconcile, there are things at times that appear to be contradictory, but with deeper study, turn out not to be. However, there are things that will always appear to be contradictions, because the Bible is not written for everyone to understand, somethings are understood only through the Spirit of God, while these things are not able to be understood by what the Bible calls, the natural man. 1 Cor 2:14 14But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. Matt 13:10 10And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” 11Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.