iamlamad Posted May 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, childoftheking said: This is what you believe!! Even this chart shows the Second Coming happening AFTER TRIBULATION ENDS!! The chart is very close to accurate as per scripture. One mistake I notice: it has left out the pretrib rapture. The truth is, as per Paul in 1 Thes 4 & 5, that the rapture take place and instantly following, the Day of the Lord. Then after the start of the DAY, (probably 10 days later) the 7th seal will start the 70th week. This chart comes VERY CLOSE< for the "prophetic gap" also said "the Present Church Age." In other words, the rapture takes place a moment before the start of the week - but the chart does not show it. I don't know why you don't believe this: it is according to scripture. It is not just my belief - it is the belief of millions of believers today. Another thing I would change: at the end of the tribulation there is some unknown amount of time before Christ returns WITH His church. And it will not be His second coming, it will be His THIRD (3rd). Paul calls His coming to the air a coming. But He does not touch down. He comes for His bride - to escort her to the homes He has prepared: exactly like an old Jewish wedding. Edited May 3, 2019 by iamlamad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted May 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2019 7 hours ago, childoftheking said: Now, take in effect that this CHART shows us going through the TRIBULATION, I can buy this theory!! I don't think so. It shows the church age ending and then the tribulation starting: "a covenant between Israel" and the One who is to come. They just failed to show the rapture before the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted May 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Diaste said: I agree. But we should be open to insight that does not contradict the written word even if it doesn't appear in scripture, and as long as it squares with the concepts and character of our Lord and savior. Rare as hen's teeth perhaps but there is some out there. Not saying we see it on this forum, just saying there are prophecies and exhortations and the like coming from vessels of the Lord and we should not ignore that; it's good for our spirit and understanding. It is true: all should be open to new insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 3, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Diaste said: I agree. But we should be open to insight that does not contradict the written word even if it doesn't appear in scripture, and as long as it squares with the concepts and character of our Lord and savior. Rare as hen's teeth perhaps but there is some out there. Not saying we see it on this forum, just saying there are prophecies and exhortations and the like coming from vessels of the Lord and we should not ignore that; it's good for our spirit and understanding. AMEN!! That is why I have not outright accused or brought accusation against this poster. However, God in Matthew 24 puts us at the end of Tribulation, that I believe can be a red flag if someone claims God instructed them otherwise!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 3, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, iamlamad said: The chart is very close to accurate as per scripture. One mistake I notice: it has left out the pretrib rapture. The truth is, as per Paul in 1 Thes 4 & 5, that the rapture take place and instantly following, the Day of the Lord. Then after the start of the DAY, (probably 10 days later) the 7th seal will start the 70th week. This chart comes VERY CLOSE< for the "prophetic gap" also said "the Present Church Age." In other words, the rapture takes place a moment before the start of the week - but the chart does not show it. I don't know why you don't believe this: it is according to scripture. It is not just my belief - it is the belief of millions of believers today. Another thing I would change: at the end of the tribulation there is some unknown amount of time before Christ returns WITH His church. And it will not be His second coming, it will be His THIRD (3rd). Paul calls His coming to the air a coming. But He does not touch down. He comes for His bride - to escort her to the homes He has prepared: exactly like an old Jewish wedding. I disagree only concerning pre-trib vs post-trib. God has never went against His own spoken Word and Matthew is His own spoken Word!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 3, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, iamlamad said: I don't think so. It shows the church age ending and then the tribulation starting: "a covenant between Israel" and the One who is to come. They just failed to show the rapture before the week. The 2nd Advent is no mistake where they put it on the timeline of this chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted May 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2019 23 hours ago, childoftheking said: If I do as you suggest in reading the first 5 verses in Chapter 12 of Revelations, I am ignoring the ill feeling the Holy Spirit is quickening me with. I appreciate your attempt and if we go pre-trib it will not matter how I view this. But if we go according to what God said Himself in Matthew 24, then you are listening to the wrong thing and what evil powers lie a wait during Tribulation are going to overtake you. I know what I believe because it was revealed to me in scripture via the Holy Spirit. That has yet to fail me in my 50 years upon this Earth and I cannot see it failing me now. That is my stance and when/if God wants me to see it differently, He knows how to contact me concerning it!! The Holy Spirit does not know when the Rapture will be, only God the Father. So the exact time for the Rapture is NOT in Scripture. We are given two directives, Watch, and Be Ready. For how long, Since the beginning of the Church. The thing is that Matt 24 is not for the Church, it is for Israel. Israel must go through these things. Again one must look at 2 Thess 2:2 .... some report saying that the day of the Lord has already come. What was being taught at that time. The Rapture and the 2nd Coming. What did some think they had missed? Not the 2nd Coming, for all would have been completed, but Rome still controlled the land. So some thought they had missed the Rapture. Then Paul has to clarify as to when this event is to take place. So the Rapture and the 2nd Coming are two separate events. If no one knows the time for the Rapture except the Father, It's time is not in Scripture. So your H.S. giving you insight on when the Rapture will take place is a false narrative, for the H.S. does not KNOW. The Rapture is unexpected; a time when there is eating, parties, marriage, and giving in marriage; all status quo. This has been going on for over 2000 years. And some think that there will be a Red Flag notifying us before this event (Rapture) will happen. Certainly not. There are Red Flags throughout the 70th Week. The 70th Week itself is a Red Flag. Causing a time; this is of the essence. Be Ready. But Scripture tells us to Watch and be Ready Now, Why would one have to be Ready during the 70th Week? Only because they are not Ready Now. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 3, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Montana Marv said: The Holy Spirit does not know when the Rapture will be, only God the Father. So the exact time for the Rapture is NOT in Scripture. We are given two directives, Watch, and Be Ready. For how long, Since the beginning of the Church. The thing is that Matt 24 is not for the Church, it is for Israel. Israel must go through these things. Again one must look at 2 Thess 2:2 .... some report saying that the day of the Lord has already come. What was being taught at that time. The Rapture and the 2nd Coming. What did some think they had missed? Not the 2nd Coming, for all would have been completed, but Rome still controlled the land. So some thought they had missed the Rapture. Then Paul has to clarify as to when this event is to take place. So the Rapture and the 2nd Coming are two separate events. If no one knows the time for the Rapture except the Father, It's time is not in Scripture. So your H.S. giving you insight on when the Rapture will take place is a false narrative, for the H.S. does not KNOW. The Rapture is unexpected; a time when there is eating, parties, marriage, and giving in marriage; all status quo. This has been going on for over 2000 years. And some think that there will be a Red Flag notifying us before this event (Rapture) will happen. Certainly not. There are Red Flags throughout the 70th Week. The 70th Week itself is a Red Flag. Causing a time; this is of the essence. Be Ready. But Scripture tells us to Watch and be Ready Now, Why would one have to be Ready during the 70th Week? Only because they are not Ready Now. In Christ Montana Marv I disagree based upon Revelation 7 specifies John asking the Angel who is this great multitude of people from EVERY NATION, CREED, KINDRED, TONGUE? The Angel replies, these are those who went through the Tribulation. Chapter 20 then a smaller group was designated as those beheaded, but DID NOT completely go through the Tribulation. In my opinion, the fact the Angel specifies this great multitude of people from EVERY NATION, CREED, KINDRED, TONGUE could not be Jews only!! It would be impossible to be Jews only how John wrote it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 3, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) Also, another point I wanted separate on its own: I was impressed by God a few years ago to see things like I do. My Grandfather and Father preached PRE-TRIB and I was raised PRE-TRIB. But I was impressed that Tribulation means trial or test. And this Tribulation is the final test for those unsaved. What I was impressed about: If God pulls out 2 billion people tomorrow to kick off the Tribulation, the majority left will have some family member they remember as a believer and will get beheaded. Revelations 20 makes it clear only a small group, not a great multitude will be beheaded. Therefore, I do not believe God is going to give the last day sinners any clues like yanking 2 Billion people from the face of the Earth just by vanishing. This is why I know it is POST-TRIB!! These sinners have had a lifetime of being introduced to God and denying Him. God therefore is not giving them clues by yanking us before the Tribulation. Revelations and Paul specifies there will be a GREAT DELUSION in the end days. And yanking 2 billion people or those who belong to churches would not be part of a GREAT DELUSION, it would be a key sign for unbelievers. And this IS NOT WHAT GOD IS GOING TO DO, GIVE THE LAST DAY SINNERS ANY CLUES!! Edited May 3, 2019 by childoftheking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 3, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) Some will say, that is mean of God!! I was predestined before I was ever born to be born into a family of believers that eventually I would also believe. The same can be said for sinners who end up in the Lake of Fire, they were predestined to deny and not accept God. Therefore, in final Tribulation, God is not providing the biggest CLUE by removing millions and billions of believers for sinners to reject the Mark from word go!! Edited May 3, 2019 by childoftheking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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