childoftheking Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, iamlamad said: Wake up from your sleep! What has happened in the past has NOTHING to do with the rapture of the church. God is going to take us out before His wrath. Do you imagine God was angry with John the baptist? No, silly, that was Satan doing that. This has NOTHING to do with "better." But it probably has everything to do with faith. Since you don't believe, you will probably be left behind. All I can say is, ignore Luke 21:36 and you will never reap the benefit of that verse. I do hope your believe system works out for you. While you are banging your head against the wall, wondering why you are left behind, the Bride of Christ will be on her way to heaven. Know this: EVERTHING we get from heaven comes through faith. You have ZERO faith in Jesus coming pretrib FOR His bride. God NEVER CHANGES, He is the SAME Yesterday, Today, and every Tomorrow until Tomorrow stops coming!! If He saw it was GOOD HIS CHOSEN and FAITHFUL suffered Yesterday, He still views it GOOD for HIS CHOSEN to suffer Today and Tomorrow!! Your Pre-Trib theory claims by proxy that God has CHANGED. That is bottom line BLASPHEMOUS towards the consistency and character of God!! Edited May 12, 2019 by childoftheking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 10 hours ago, childoftheking said: A snare is a trap, Tribulation is what is going to happen. One is a form of addiction (snare), the other is a 7 year TRIAL God allows His Elect to go through (Like God has allowed ALL OF HIS FOLLOWERS to go through trials). So which of His Elect is going to go through this 7 year trial? Cannot be the Church or Bride of Christ, for over 95 % have already died and will have missed this event. The Bride is as ONE, not part of, but all of. The Church has been going through some sort of tribulation for the past 2000 years. Now the question is: Who are God's Elect in Matt 24:22. Are these the same Elect as in Zech 13 :8,9? Who are God's People. Israel In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 9 hours ago, childoftheking said: God NEVER CHANGES, He is the SAME Yesterday, Today, and every Tomorrow until Tomorrow stops coming!! If He saw it was GOOD HIS CHOSEN and FAITHFUL suffered Yesterday, He still views it GOOD for HIS CHOSEN to suffer Today and Tomorrow!! Your Pre-Trib theory claims by proxy that God has CHANGED. That is bottom line BLASPHEMOUS towards the consistency and character of God!! Wake up! It is not God that will have changed, it is God's WRATH. We are living in the age of grace, where judgment is pushed off until the Day of the Lord. But one day God's WRATH against people who refuse Him will come upon the earth. But just before that day, the church will be removed. This is scripture, but your preconceived glasses have prevented you from seeing it. Romans 2:5 But because of thy hardness and impenitence of heart, thou treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the Day of Wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, Make no mistake: WRATH is coming! 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and to wait for His Son from Heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivered us from the wrath to come. Make no mistake: the Bride of Christ will not be here! You can stay behind since that is what you have chosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, childoftheking said: God NEVER CHANGES, He is the SAME Yesterday, Today, and every Tomorrow until Tomorrow stops coming!! If He saw it was GOOD HIS CHOSEN and FAITHFUL suffered Yesterday, He still views it GOOD for HIS CHOSEN to suffer Today and Tomorrow!! Your Pre-Trib theory claims by proxy that God has CHANGED. That is bottom line BLASPHEMOUS towards the consistency and character of God!! The problem with your theory is that you KNOW when the Rapture will happen, you have stated this many times, Yes God never changes, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. What you have stated supports not a thing. The Time of the Rapture is NOT given in Scripture. It is not tied to a particular event (2nd Coming included) Jesus said, God the Father is the ONLY One who knows the time of this Rapture. So don't look in Scripture for the Time of this event, It Is Not There. Don't hang anything on your Rapture Time theory, you have no evidence. Opp's you cannot use Scripture, it is not there. There is no there, there. Oh "But", Scripture says this. Again, Only God the Father Knows the Time of the Rapture. You are barking up the wrong tree. You cannot use Scripture for this date, Jesus is Scripture, and He does not Know. In Christ Montana Marv Edited May 12, 2019 by Montana Marv spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 9 hours ago, childoftheking said: God is NOT MOCKED!! Yeshua specifically said, Trib begins, Trib ends, then He returns and the Elect (Church/Bride) is then gathered!! You then claim that God specifically told you there will be a Pre-Trib. But you are not getting that from God by His own words, you gathered that by the combination of other people. The Holy Spirit would NEVER go against what Yeshua said, but you claim that is what God has done. Therefore, YOU are MOCKING GOD!! You want to know why your LIES are not being received? Because we know what Yeshua specifically said. And we know that God would NEVER go against what Yeshua said, because like you pointed out in another topic within this thread...YESHUA IS NOT TALKING, THE FATHER IS TALKING THROUGH YESHUA. So, Matthew 24 are the words of the FATHER!! And by proxy, you are calling the FATHER a liar!! I just hope your belief system works out for you. Just think of me when you are banging your head against a wall, wondering why you are left behind. What you are missing: GOD is pretrib. Why is this so difficult for you? Do you not know where "the tribulation" in Revelation is found? It is EASY to find the great crowd, too large to number, already in heaven. It is the raptured church. In your theory, that great crowd would be seen in Rev. 20, right after Jesus returns to the Battle of Armageddon. But no, GOD and John put it in chapter 7, before any part of the 70th week begins. Also before God's wrath begins. Sadly, your preconceived glasses prevent you from seeing what is really written and the meaning behind what is written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Montana Marv said: So which of His Elect is going to go through this 7 year trial? Cannot be the Church or Bride of Christ, for over 95 % have already died and will have missed this event. The Bride is as ONE, not part of, but all of. The Church has been going through some sort of tribulation for the past 2000 years. Now the question is: Who are God's Elect in Matt 24:22. Are these the same Elect as in Zech 13 :8,9? Who are God's People. Israel In Christ Montana Marv In the scope of things, 1 out of every 1,000 people of the current 8 billion people profess to be a believer. This can be applied to everyone who already lived and died. So the dead in Christ currently no longer among the living is be FAR LESS in numbers than those who profess to be a believer TODAY. So, maybe you should understand many more things before trying to make a conclusion. Revelations 7 John asked the Angel, who are these people? They were a multitude of people from every nation, creed, tongue, kin, language too big for John to count. The Angel replied, these SURVIVED the Tribulation. So, there will be more ELECT surviving Tribulation than there were ELECT that had already lived and died. The problem with most people, they get a scripture, they apply that scripture, but they never consider the facts going into this process. Statistics state 7 billion people died in the Flood and 8 people survived (Noah): That same percentage or like % can be applied in humanity throughout the ages. For every one believer, there has always be 1,000++ non believers. So, the Dead in Christ is not as great of a number as those professing to be Christian Today!! And not everyone professing to be Christian actually are a true believer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 2 hours ago, iamlamad said: Wake up! It is not God that will have changed, it is God's WRATH. We are living in the age of grace, where judgment is pushed off until the Day of the Lord. But one day God's WRATH against people who refuse Him will come upon the earth. But just before that day, the church will be removed. This is scripture, but your preconceived glasses have prevented you from seeing it. Romans 2:5 But because of thy hardness and impenitence of heart, thou treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the Day of Wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, Make no mistake: WRATH is coming! 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and to wait for His Son from Heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivered us from the wrath to come. Make no mistake: the Bride of Christ will not be here! You can stay behind since that is what you have chosen. Yeah, and you clearly have no idea what WRATH of God is: I've provided scripture proving it's Armageddon and final Judgement (Lake of Fire). Your memory is shot. One has to answer the same question by you continuously. You must have Dementia or the beginnings of Alzheimer's. No wonder you believe you heard from God, your mind is in several stages of changing that has no relation to reality at all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Montana Marv said: The problem with your theory is that you KNOW when the Rapture will happen, you have stated this many times, Yes God never changes, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. What you have stated supports not a thing. The Time of the Rapture is NOT given in Scripture. It is not tied to a particular event (2nd Coming included) Jesus said, God the Father is the ONLY One who knows the time of this Rapture. So don't look in Scripture for the Time of this event, It Is Not There. Don't hang anything on your Rapture Time theory, you have no evidence. Opp's you cannot use Scripture, it is not there. There is no there, there. Oh "But", Scripture says this. Again, Only God the Father Knows the Time of the Rapture. You are barking up the wrong tree. You cannot use Scripture for this date, Jesus is Scripture, and He does not Know. In Christ Montana Marv And yet, we know from John, Yeshua claimed the FATHER was doing the speaking/teaching/miracles through Him. So, Matthew 24 was actually the FATHER speaking about the coming Tribulation. The Father said, only He knows. But He was clear Trib begins, Trib ends, then He sends Yeshua to gather the Elect!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 2 hours ago, iamlamad said: I just hope your belief system works out for you. Just think of me when you are banging your head against a wall, wondering why you are left behind. What you are missing: GOD is pretrib. Why is this so difficult for you? Do you not know where "the tribulation" in Revelation is found? It is EASY to find the great crowd, too large to number, already in heaven. It is the raptured church. In your theory, that great crowd would be seen in Rev. 20, right after Jesus returns to the Battle of Armageddon. But no, GOD and John put it in chapter 7, before any part of the 70th week begins. Also before God's wrath begins. Sadly, your preconceived glasses prevent you from seeing what is really written and the meaning behind what is written. You are living a lie that even John Darby himself admitted was just an idea. You have turned an idea from a man into a reality that is factually incorrect to scripture. I have no worries, I absolutely do not believe in what John Darby was thinking. After all, he NEVER CONCLUDED it was scripturally sound!! So anyone following his idea also does not have sound scripture to back it. They are following an IDEA created by a man, not actually following God!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 Is the Rapture in Scripture? Ultimately we must assess doctrine not on the narrative of church history, but on the text of Scripture. That fact that the secret rapture, and dispensationalism, are the new kids on the eschatological block doesn’t necessarily mean they are false. Previous generations could have misinterpreted their Bibles. As Protestants we hold Scripture, not church tradition, to be authoritative. But the secret rapture faces biblical challenges as well. There are no biblical texts that explicitly teach it or anything like a two-stage coming of Jesus. Passages that supposedly describe the secret rapture could just as easily be read as referring to the glorious second coming, and in fact have been read that way throughout the church’s history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts