childoftheking Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 Many Christians have attempted to do this. As a consequence, the doctrine of the Rapture has arisen. So important has it become to many that the teaching is now sanctioned in some circles as the prime revelation from God to show what will happen to members of His ekklesia just before and during the Second Coming of Christ. Some of the greatest friends of the Holy Scriptures have accepted this teaching (and they teach this false doctrine even by mistranslating the phrase “first resurrection” as “the former resurrection” in Revelation 20:5). If one translates the word correctly as “first,” then it means the resurrection of Christians occurs after the Tribulation, and the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory is shown to be false. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 The rapture, often called "the blessed hope," is sadly more hoax than hope, even though the man who started it had no intention of deceiving anyone. As you read verse 13, you discover that Christians in Thessalonica were grieving over the unexpected deaths of members of their congregation. ***so Paul answers their concerns over being able to see their dead friends again:*** Verse 17 in the New King James Version: “Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” hahahahahahaha you turned Paul's answer to the church in Thessalonica over if they would ever see their dead friends/family again into a FALSE DEMONIC PRE-TRIB RAPTURE hahahahahahahaha No wonder you have Dementia and the first stage of Alzheimer's, you are spreading LIES and ticking God off!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 57 minutes ago, childoftheking said: In the scope of things, 1 out of every 1,000 people of the current 8 billion people profess to be a believer. This can be applied to everyone who already lived and died. So the dead in Christ currently no longer among the living is be FAR LESS in numbers than those who profess to be a believer TODAY. So, maybe you should understand many more things before trying to make a conclusion. Revelations 7 John asked the Angel, who are these people? They were a multitude of people from every nation, creed, tongue, kin, language too big for John to count. The Angel replied, these SURVIVED the Tribulation. So, there will be more ELECT surviving Tribulation than there were ELECT that had already lived and died. The problem with most people, they get a scripture, they apply that scripture, but they never consider the facts going into this process. Statistics state 7 billion people died in the Flood and 8 people survived (Noah): That same percentage or like % can be applied in humanity throughout the ages. For every one believer, there has always be 1,000++ non believers. So, the Dead in Christ is not as great of a number as those professing to be Christian Today!! And not everyone professing to be Christian actually are a true believer!! So how many Believers who have already died will have the opportunity to face the A/C and or have a chance to accept or reject the Mark of the Beast. The Church is ONE Body. Those Mortal individuals who come out the the G.T. did not accept the Mark or Worship the Beast. Not a Christian in History has had a chance to Accept the Mark or Worship the Beast. Those coming out of the G.T. are those who are ushered into the Mill to be ruled over by Christ with a rod of iron. They must not have learned their lesson, follow Me. The fact is the Rapture and Second Coming were both taught in the early Church. 2 Thes 2:2 - Which "day of the Lord" did some believers think they had missed? Rapture or the 2nd Coming. Paul suggested the Rapture. For none were in Heaven or with Christ yet. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 47 minutes ago, Montana Marv said: So how many Believers who have already died will have the opportunity to face the A/C and or have a chance to accept or reject the Mark of the Beast. The Church is ONE Body. Those Mortal individuals who come out the the G.T. did not accept the Mark or Worship the Beast. Not a Christian in History has had a chance to Accept the Mark or Worship the Beast. Those coming out of the G.T. are those who are ushered into the Mill to be ruled over by Christ with a rod of iron. They must not have learned their lesson, follow Me. The fact is the Rapture and Second Coming were both taught in the early Church. 2 Thes 2:2 - Which "day of the Lord" did some believers think they had missed? Rapture or the 2nd Coming. Paul suggested the Rapture. For none were in Heaven or with Christ yet. In Christ Montana Marv The church for now is a continual growing Body until God is ready for the next step in His plan. When GOD was speaking things into existence, to which we read in Genesis Chapter 1, He already knew who would be born, who would be believers of those who would be born, and how many members His Church/Bride would be. When we reach that number, there is no longer a need for the Church to remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, childoftheking said: The church for now is a continual growing Body until God is ready for the next step in His plan. When GOD was speaking things into existence, to which we read in Genesis Chapter 1, He already knew who would be born, who would be believers of those who would be born, and how many members His Church/Bride would be. When we reach that number, there is no longer a need for the Church to remain. And no need for the Bride to go into the G.T. They all have the same opportunities. Yet something new comes about. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 4 hours ago, childoftheking said: You are living a lie that even John Darby himself admitted was just an idea. You have turned an idea from a man into a reality that is factually incorrect to scripture. I have no worries, I absolutely do not believe in what John Darby was thinking. After all, he NEVER CONCLUDED it was scripturally sound!! So anyone following his idea also does not have sound scripture to back it. They are following an IDEA created by a man, not actually following God!! Just to set the record straight, I have never met John Darby, nor read anything he wrote. I did not get my beliefs from books either. The truth is, pretrib is right there in scripture for anyone to read and understand. The problem is, preconceived glasses prevent people from understanding the intent of the Author. It very easy to read of the great crowd, too large to number. Anyone that can read can read about this great crowd. Why is it so large? It is simple, it is somewhere around 50 generations of believers from around the world: all who have believed since Jesus rose from the dead. It is going to be a HUGE crowd, in the billions. Plus, add to that all the children alive at the time of the rapture. The posttribbers must imagine John wrote about this great crowd, just raptured to heaven, is in Rev. 19 where Jesus returns. No, John saw the crowd in heaven before he saw the start of the 70th week or "the tribulation" as some wish to call it. Was this an idea created by man? I guess we could say John created it, but in truth, John was backed by the Holy Spirit - in other words, a pretrib rapture is a GOD thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 4 hours ago, childoftheking said: The rapture, often called "the blessed hope," is sadly more hoax than hope, even though the man who started it had no intention of deceiving anyone. As you read verse 13, you discover that Christians in Thessalonica were grieving over the unexpected deaths of members of their congregation. ***so Paul answers their concerns over being able to see their dead friends again:*** Verse 17 in the New King James Version: “Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” hahahahahahaha you turned Paul's answer to the church in Thessalonica over if they would ever see their dead friends/family again into a FALSE DEMONIC PRE-TRIB RAPTURE hahahahahahahaha No wonder you have Dementia and the first stage of Alzheimer's, you are spreading LIES and ticking God off!! I hope you know, there is simply NO HINT of timing in 1 Thes. chapter 4 as far as the rapture is concerned - but Paul did not quit in chapter 4; he continued on into chapter 5, where Paul DOES get into the timing. However, you don't understand chapter 5 so there is no need to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 4 hours ago, childoftheking said: Many Christians have attempted to do this. As a consequence, the doctrine of the Rapture has arisen. So important has it become to many that the teaching is now sanctioned in some circles as the prime revelation from God to show what will happen to members of His ekklesia just before and during the Second Coming of Christ. Some of the greatest friends of the Holy Scriptures have accepted this teaching (and they teach this false doctrine even by mistranslating the phrase “first resurrection” as “the former resurrection” in Revelation 20:5). If one translates the word correctly as “first,” then it means the resurrection of Christians occurs after the Tribulation, and the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory is shown to be false. 1 Hmmm. Ever heard of the English word, "gay?" How many meanings might one find in a dictionary today? This is so simple, it is amazing you stumble over it: there will be only TWO resurrections: and indeed, since them come over a thousand years apart, one dies come first. But the first you read in English translations does not mean first in sequence, but first in priority. Why? It is the resurrection for the righteous. You will not understand, so no need to go further. Question: WHICH of the two resurrections mentioned would Jesus' resurrection be a part of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 4 hours ago, childoftheking said: Is the Rapture in Scripture? Ultimately we must assess doctrine not on the narrative of church history, but on the text of Scripture. That fact that the secret rapture, and dispensationalism, are the new kids on the eschatological block doesn’t necessarily mean they are false. Previous generations could have misinterpreted their Bibles. As Protestants we hold Scripture, not church tradition, to be authoritative. But the secret rapture faces biblical challenges as well. There are no biblical texts that explicitly teach it or anything like a two-stage coming of Jesus. Passages that supposedly describe the secret rapture could just as easily be read as referring to the glorious second coming, and in fact have been read that way throughout the church’s history. Now you are bringing up a straw man? Why? Only to tear him down and look important? How can any event that has a loud shout, a loud trumpet and voices be called "secret?" The truth? This word was probably created by posttribbers. The truth is, the pretrib rapture will be NOISY. And it will not be a secret. Millions of people around the word are going to suddenly be looking for loved ones that just disappeared. Add to the previous sounds the sound of MUCH weeping. Then there are going to be some banging their heads against walls wondering why they are left behind. That too will make noise. Nope! The pretrib rapture will NOT be a secret! however, it will be SUDDEN and without any warning. The fact still remains, Paul wrote that his rapture will come a moment before God's wrath begins. Posttribbers have to rewrite Revelation to make their theory fit: because John shows us the wrath of God, as in the Day of His wrath, begins before the 70th week begins. I understand, some people are confused about the 70th week being future, so I will say it this way: John shows us that the Day of His wrath begins before the tribulation Jesus spoke of will begin. That is a fact. It is also a fact that the great crowd, too large to number, is found in chapter 7, not chapter 19 or 20. It is also a fact that the TIMING of the marriage is supper is before Jesus descends to the battle of Armageddon.. Therefore posttribbers must REWRITE Revelation to fit their theory. OF COURSE they never mention such things. It is also a fact that is posttrib were true, there would be NO SHEEP at the sheep and goat judgment. Why? Because the rapture would turn all the saints into resurrected saints with resurrection bodies - so no sheep left in natural bodies. Therefore, the posttrib theory ROBS the millennial reign of any saints in natural bodies to repopulate the earth. Yet, they swear it is scriptural! Readers, it is very true that Jesus will come after the days of tribulation, but at that coming the church will be coming WITH HIM - AFTER the marriage and supper which will take place in heaven. Luke 12:36 and ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord when he will return from the wedding, that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. WHERE is He returning FROM? The wedding. He hopes people will be waiting for Him. Note carefully that the wedding PRECEDES His coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted May 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2019 5 hours ago, childoftheking said: And yet, we know from John, Yeshua claimed the FATHER was doing the speaking/teaching/miracles through Him. So, Matthew 24 was actually the FATHER speaking about the coming Tribulation. The Father said, only He knows. But He was clear Trib begins, Trib ends, then He sends Yeshua to gather the Elect!! You still don't seem to know WHO these "elect" are. Neither do you seem to care where they are gathered from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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