Those Days Will Be Shortened

[childoftheking]

1 Vilon (וילון), Also see (Isa 40:22)

22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

 

2 Raki'a (רקיע), Also see (Gen 1:17)

17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

 

3 Shehaqim (שחקים), See (Ps 78:23, Midr. Teh. to Ps. xix. 7)

23Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven,

 

4 Zebul (זבול), See (Isa 63:15, KJV)

15Look down from heaven, and behold from the habitation of thy holiness and of thy glory: where is thy zeal and thy strength, the sounding of thy bowels and of thy mercies toward me? are they restrained?

 

5 Ma'on (מעון), See (Deut 26:15)

15Look down from thy holy habitation, from heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou hast given us, as thou swarest unto our fathers, a land that floweth with milk and honey.

 

6 Machon (מכון), See (1 Kings 8:39, Deut 28:12)

12The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

39Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;)

 

7 Araboth (ערבות), The seventh Heaven where ofanim, the seraphim, and the hayyoth and the throne of the Lord are located.

 

 

BEING EDUCATED ON THINGS GOD TAUGHT TO THE HEBREW PEOPLE, IS A VERY GOOD THING IN UNDERSTANDING THE GOD YOU HAVE GIVEN YOUR LIFE TO!!

 

[Montana Marv]

7 hours ago, childoftheking said:

 

These Books were part of the Hebrew Collection before being destroyed and some were left out when restored by Ezra.

But, if you have never heard of more than 3 heavens, you clearly have not read Enoch or Jasher and those Books are mentioned in your current Canon.

"The 10 Heavens of the 2nd Book of Enoch (II Enoch) "

 

Shamayim (שָׁמַיִם), the Hebrew word for "heaven" (literally means heavens, plural):

 

 

Seven Heavens[edit]

The system of Seven Heavens, named:^[5][6][7]

1. Vilon (וִילוֹן) or Araphel (עֲרָפֶל) The first heaven, governed by Archangel Gabriel, is the closest of heavenly realms to the Earth; it is also considered the abode of Adam and Eve.
2. Raqia (רָקִיעַ): The second heaven is dually controlled by Zachariel and Raphael. It was in this heaven that Moses, during his visit to Paradise, encountered the angel Nurielwho stood "300 parasangs high, with a retinue of 50 myriads of angels all fashioned out of water and fire". Also, Raqia is considered the realm where the fallen angels are imprisoned and the planets fastened.^[8]
3. Shehaqim (שְׁחָקִים, Shechaqim): The third heaven, under the leadership of Anahel, serves as the home of the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life; it is also the realm where manna, the holy food of angels, is produced.^[9] The Second Book of Enoch, meanwhile, states that both Paradise and hell are accommodated in Shehaqim with hell being located simply "on the northern side".
4. Maon (מִעוּן): The fourth heaven is ruled by the Archangel Michael, and according to Talmud Hagiga 12, it contains the heavenly Jerusalem, the Temple, and the Altar.
5. Makon (מִכּוּן, Makhon): The fifth heaven is under the administration of Samael. It is also where the Ishim and the Song-Uttering Choirs reside.
6. Zebul (זִבּוּל): The sixth heaven falls under the jurisdiction of Sachiel.
7. Araboth (עֲרֵבוּת, Aravoth): The seventh heaven, under the leadership of Cassiel, is the holiest of the seven heavens because it houses the Throne of God attended by the Seven Archangels and serves as the realm in which God dwells; underneath the throne itself lies the abode of all unborn human souls. It is also considered the home of the Seraphim, the Cherubim, and the Hayyoth.^[10]

 

 

^{As I have been saying, until you know the actual Hebrew, you have no idea what they were told and instructed to understand by Yahweh!!}

Paul states in 2 Cor 12:2 that the 3rd Heaven is Gods Abode,  So this individual ascended to the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life.  I think not.

Now was/were the books of Enoch written on ??? before the flood.  Did they come on the Ark with Noah.  Or were they spoken and transferred from generation to generation until being put on paper ???  So how much was added at this time, or how much was lost at this time. before becoming script.

Paul and your book disagree.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

7 hours ago, childoftheking said:

Yes, those who have denied the INVISIBLE GOD will believe the visible God.   For the Believers, that will be an obvious red flag.   Well, except for the Pre-Tribbers convinced He will return like verse 13 points out:

 

This verse states ALL will follow this individual, not some, but all;  you included as you say.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[iamlamad]

11 hours ago, childoftheking said:

If you are using the verses that prove the Second Coming for a Pre-Trib rapture, then where are the other set of verses about the Second coming?

And so far, you used Luke (which was discussing the snares of this world NOT THE TRIBULATION), and have used 1 Thess (which is clear as a new plane of glass, that Paul answered their question if they would ever see their dead friends and loved ones again).   Then you believe that the Chapters are in chronological order in the Book of Revelation (because chapter 7 speaks of the Elect gathered at the END of Tribulation and chapter 20 mentions those who refused the Mark).   

So far, nothing you claim lines up.

And, it's obvious the verses you use for Pre-Trib describe the Second Coming.

No wonder no one but Montana believes you.   Everyone else understands your verses are specifically for the Second Coming, not about 2 Comings of Yeshua.

The truth is, most pretribbers cannot count: they do call His coming FOR His church the "second" coming, but then call His coming 7 years later WITH His church the second coming.  I guess they just cannot count. His coming FOR His church, pretrib is indeed the second time He will come, but He does not touch down - He remains in the air and then escorts the church to heaven to wait out the time of His wrath on earth. 

When He comes after the "trib" WITH His church, it will then be His THIRD coming. 

Therefore, always remember, 1 Thes. 4:15 speaks of the 2nd coming of our Lord - but only to the air and in the clouds.  Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, and Rev. 19 all speak of the 3rd time Jesus will come to earth, but this time He will touch down and stay.

EVERYTHING I say lines up with the written Word of God. Of course it won't line up with false doctrines.

Yes, true: the verses I use do line up with a SECOND coming, but not the THIRD coming. You imagine after the church is caught up into the clouds and meet the Lord in the air, then Jesus continues on down to the ground - but you have a ad lib that second part, for it is NOT scripture - it is only imagination. And in this imagination, you have to ignore John 14.

[iamlamad]

14 hours ago, childoftheking said:

Now you are just taking scripture with WRATH in it to create a mythical scenario...

You have proven over and over that your theories don't agree with the written word.  What is written you call "myth." The truth is, it is your theories that are myth.

[iamlamad]

14 hours ago, childoftheking said:

ἐκλεκτοὺς = the Elect = elect, chosen

It's a predestined term.

Just like God knew you would believe in Him before you ever were born, you are predestined.

So the Elect is a predestined term for BELIEVERS.

The Jews majorly do not accept Yeshua, but the Gentiles do.

The Jews won't believe until midpoint.

 

What's interesting, Pre-Tribbers believe the Holy Ghost leaves when they leave.

Yet, the TWO WITNESSES for first 3 1/2 years will have great power, will die and then come back alive for a period of time before being caught up themselves.   Their power is the Holy Spirit!!

So, not only will the Holy Spirit be present during Tribulation, but so will us BELIEVERS!!

Wow. Did Elijah and Elisha operate under the anointing of the Holy Spirit in the Old Covenant, BEFORE the Holy Spirit was sent down at Pentecost?  So will the Two Witnesses operate during the 70th week.

[iamlamad]

14 hours ago, childoftheking said:

No Strawman, just what you have done, by using scriptures specifying the Second Coming and turning them into a False Pre-Trib rapture.

No amount of dis-belief on your part will stop Jesus from coming pretrib FOR His Bride. But it may well cause you to be left behind.  I really do hope your belief system works out for you.

[iamlamad]

15 hours ago, childoftheking said:

Question: WHICH of the two resurrections mentioned would Jesus' resurrection be a part of?

I am only pointing out, the SAME SCRIPTURES believed to be the Second Coming, has suddenly been skewed into this False Pre-Trib rapture.

So you can't answer the question. Instead, you make a side step.

[iamlamad]

15 hours ago, childoftheking said:

I hope YOU KNOW there are letters from the the Church in Thess asking about loved dead ones and Paul answers them.

And you FALSEY TURNED it into a Pre-Trib setting!!

All you are showing us is that you ignore 1 Thes. chapter 5

[iamlamad]

15 hours ago, childoftheking said:

I agree that the SAME SCRIPTURES explaining the Second Coming can be skewed into thinking it could be a rapture.   But NOWHERE is it obvious Yeshua returns TWICE within 7 years!!

It is obvious to untold millions of pretribbers. But I will admit, it is no obvious to those with thick preconceived glasses. 

His two future comings will not be "within" 7 years: His next coming will be a few days before the 7 years start, and His coming to Armageddon will be after the 7 years.