Those Days Will Be Shortened

[childoftheking]

Yep, JUST LIKE THE DAYS OF NOAH...

 

Did God remove Noah from the Earth during the flood (which was a Great Tribulation)?

NO

Noah went through the ENTIRE FLOOD PERIOD!!

 

And the FINAL TRIBULATION IS JUST LIKE THE DAYS OF NOAH, right from the MOUTH of GOD HIMSELF!!

 

WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE TRIBULATION!!

 

This is how I know God did not tell anyone a thing about Pre-Trib, because it would not be just like NOAH'S TRIBULATION (which God made Noah go through)!!

[childoftheking]

I prayed and prayed and God kept revealing to me FALSE PROPHETS and FALSE TEACHINGS!!

 

That is EXACTLY what Pre-Trib and the ones spreading it are!!

Edited May 4, 2019 by childoftheking

[iamlamad]

On 5/3/2019 at 10:07 AM, childoftheking said:

 

I disagree only concerning pre-trib vs post-trib.   God has never went against His own spoken Word and Matthew is His own spoken Word!!

I think what you are really saying is, you don't think or believe that God can have more than one gathering.  I have always believed God is all powerful and can do almost anything. (We know He cannot lie.)

Why is it so difficult for you to believe God can gather the church at one time, and Jews at another time? 

I assume from things you have previously written that you have at least some common sense and the ability to reason.

Answer this question for yourself: CAN an all powerful God have TWO gatherings: is it possible?

We both know of the verses concerning Paul's gathering; can we find a different verse that speaks of a gathering of Israel?

     ⁶For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the      LORD our God.

     ⁷For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye,             and say, O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.

     ⁸Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind  and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.

     ¹⁰Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather        him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.   Jeremiah 31

Does this passage speak of a gathering? It does. In verse 8 it is GOD speaking. God is going to do the gathering.  He is going to gather the blind, the lame, the pregnant, all of them. Now ask yourself: is it even remotely possible God could do this with angels?  We can be sure God has been involved in the Jews from Russia and many other nations moving to Israel over the past few years, but there are untold millions of descendants of Jacob alive today that are NOT in Israel - yet from scripture we know God's will is that they all return. Again I ask: is it even remotely possible in your mind that the all powerful God we serve could sent out angels and gather all of Israel back to Israel? If so, WHERE would God gather from? It would have to be from all over heaven to all over earth.

Let's examine Paul's gathering and this gathering in Matthew and SEE if they can be the same, or if they cannot be the same. Are you willing to proceed?

Think about it: where are the bodies of the dead in Christ? Under the earth: right? Where then are those alive and in Christ? They are walking the earth: right? Therefore if YOU were to write of the gathering of the church, what would you write? I would assume you would write that they were gathered from around planet earth; even nation, every language group, every ethnic group, from every nation - something like that. 

Where does Matthew say this gathering in Matthew gathers from? For that, we should look at all the gospels that speak of this gathering:

Matthew 24:31

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:27

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

Can you see why I disagree with you? It simply does not make sense that any writer, writing of Paul's rapture that gathers from the earth, would write "from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Frankly, it just does not fit. It makes FAR MORE sense in my mind to understand our all powerful God can have TWO gatherings.

 

By the way, where does Paul come up with this word, "gathering?" Can we find this word in 1 Thes. 4 or 5? Not quite, but we can find a word with the same root:

 

1 Thessalonians 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

"Together" means those who were dead and raised, along with those who are alive and changed: BOTH groups then are TOGETHER raised up to meet Christ in the air and in the clouds. So concerning both groups, they will be in the air, just above the ground, around the planet: Jesus with the Holy Spirit with gather together the dead in Christ raised, and those alive in Christ and changed. This "gathering" is from the earth. 

 

Then, we must consider TIMING:

1 Thes. 4 & 5

 

¹⁷ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

² For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Why does Paul mention the Day of the Lord, just two verses after his classic rapture verse? 

⁹ For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Why Does Paul mention wrath, when he is talking about the rapture?

Many people do not understand Paul's passage on the rapture. Paul tells there is a suddenly coming: SUDDENLY, with no warning, when people are saying "peace and sefety" the dead bodies of those who loved Jesus will fly up out of the ground. This raising of the dead in Christ will CAUSE a great, worldwide earthquake. (See Matthew 27 when Jesus rose and raised the elders.)

ONE MOMENT after this, two groups of people get two different results: those IN CHRIST, walking in the light of the gospel, get salvation - they get raptured.

Those living in darkness get left behind, and get cause in "sudden destruction:" the earthquake caused by the dead in Christ rising. Then cannot escape for it will be worldwide. It is the earthquake at the 6th seal. It is the start of His wrath. Paul mentions the Day of the Lord, because the rapture is the trigger for the start of the DAY. Paul mentions wrath because the Day of the Lord is also "the day of His wrath."

WHERE is the first mention of wrath in Revelation?

Revelation 6:16  And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The Day of the Lord, God's wrath, or the Day of His wrath, will begin at the 6th seal. Paul teaches us that the rapture will come AT THE SAME MOMENT as the start of His wrath: WE get raptured; THEY get sudden destruction. 

Therefore, Paul DOES tell us when: the rapture will come as the trigger for the start of the Day of the Lord, and the start of God's wrath. It cannot possibly then be the same gathering as written in Matthew 24.

Again notice that John SAW the raptured church right after the 6th seal - in Rev. 7 

All this compared to ONE verse mentioning a gathering that gathers from heaven. There is no comparison: the gathering in Matthew 24 cannot possibly be Paul's rapture gathering.  Study to show yourself approved.

 

 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, childoftheking said:

I prayed and prayed and God kept revealing to me FALSE PROPHETS and FALSE TEACHINGS!!

That is EXACTLY what Pre-Trib and the ones spreading it are!!

You are simply mistaken: perhaps sincere, but mistaken.  Study the WORD. Study without preconceptions. 

Please tell us, WHAT are you expecting next? It cannot be His coming - for you believe other things must come first. May I suggest you read the last verse of Hebrews 9?

Edited May 4, 2019 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, childoftheking said:

Yep, JUST LIKE THE DAYS OF NOAH...

Did God remove Noah from the Earth during the flood (which was a Great Tribulation)?

NO

Noah went through the ENTIRE FLOOD PERIOD!!

And the FINAL TRIBULATION IS JUST LIKE THE DAYS OF NOAH, right from the MOUTH of GOD HIMSELF!!

WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE TRIBULATION!!

This is how I know God did not tell anyone a thing about Pre-Trib, because it would not be just like NOAH'S TRIBULATION (which God made Noah go through)!!

You really need to learn to read more carefully and WITHOUT preconceived glasses. They blind people from the truth of the Word.  Notice carefully:

³⁷ But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

³⁸ For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

³⁹ And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Do you notice that preposition: FOR? Jesus is going to explain just WHAT about Noah He is talking about. His ONLY POINT about Noah is the suddenness of their destruction. That is His point about His coming: it will be SUDDEN and without warning. Same with Lot: those people in those cities were living life to the fullest, got on one morning thinking that day would be just like yesterday - BUT SUDDENLY fire and brimstone fell and they were destroyed. Same with Noah: His point was not the person of Noah, His point was about the suddenness of those that drowned. Again, read more carefully! Study to show yourself approved!

[childoftheking]

15 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

I think what you are really saying is, you don't think or believe that God can have more than one gathering.  I have always believed God is all powerful and can do almost anything. (We know He cannot lie.)

Why is it so difficult for you to believe God can gather the church at one time, and Jews at another time? 

I assume from things you have previously written that you have at least some common sense and the ability to reason.

Answer this question for yourself: CAN an all powerful God have TWO gatherings: is it possible?

We both know of the verses concerning Paul's gathering; can we find a different verse that speaks of a gathering of Israel?

     ⁶For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the      LORD our God.

     ⁷For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye,             and say, O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.

     ⁸Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind  and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.

     ¹⁰Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather        him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.   Jeremiah 31

Does this passage speak of a gathering? It does. In verse 8 it is GOD speaking. God is going to do the gathering.  He is going to gather the blind, the lame, the pregnant, all of them. Now ask yourself: is it even remotely possible God could do this with angels?  We can be sure God has been involved in the Jews from Russia and many other nations moving to Israel over the past few years, but there are untold millions of descendants of Jacob alive today that are NOT in Israel - yet from scripture we know God's will is that they all return. Again I ask: is it even remotely possible in your mind that the all powerful God we serve could sent out angels and gather all of Israel back to Israel? If so, WHERE would God gather from? It would have to be from all over heaven to all over earth.

Let's examine Paul's gathering and this gathering in Matthew and SEE if they can be the same, or if they cannot be the same. Are you willing to proceed?

Think about it: where are the bodies of the dead in Christ? Under the earth: right? Where then are those alive and in Christ? They are walking the earth: right? Therefore if YOU were to write of the gathering of the church, what would you write? I would assume you would write that they were gathered from around planet earth; even nation, every language group, every ethnic group, from every nation - something like that. 

Where does Matthew say this gathering in Matthew gathers from? For that, we should look at all the gospels that speak of this gathering:

Matthew 24:31

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:27

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

Can you see why I disagree with you? It simply does not make sense that any writer, writing of Paul's rapture that gathers from the earth, would write "from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Frankly, it just does not fit. It makes FAR MORE sense in my mind to understand our all powerful God can have TWO gatherings.

 

By the way, where does Paul come up with this word, "gathering?" Can we find this word in 1 Thes. 4 or 5? Not quite, but we can find a word with the same root:

 

1 Thessalonians 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

"Together" means those who were dead and raised, along with those who are alive and changed: BOTH groups then are TOGETHER raised up to meet Christ in the air and in the clouds. So concerning both groups, they will be in the air, just above the ground, around the planet: Jesus with the Holy Spirit with gather together the dead in Christ raised, and those alive in Christ and changed. This "gathering" is from the earth. 

 

Then, we must consider TIMING:

1 Thes. 4 & 5

 

¹⁷ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

² For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Why does Paul mention the Day of the Lord, just two verses after his classic rapture verse? 

⁹ For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Why Does Paul mention wrath, when he is talking about the rapture?

Many people do not understand Paul's passage on the rapture. Paul tells there is a suddenly coming: SUDDENLY, with no warning, when people are saying "peace and sefety" the dead bodies of those who loved Jesus will fly up out of the ground. This raising of the dead in Christ will CAUSE a great, worldwide earthquake. (See Matthew 27 when Jesus rose and raised the elders.)

ONE MOMENT after this, two groups of people get two different results: those IN CHRIST, walking in the light of the gospel, get salvation - they get raptured.

Those living in darkness get left behind, and get cause in "sudden destruction:" the earthquake caused by the dead in Christ rising. Then cannot escape for it will be worldwide. It is the earthquake at the 6th seal. It is the start of His wrath. Paul mentions the Day of the Lord, because the rapture is the trigger for the start of the DAY. Paul mentions wrath because the Day of the Lord is also "the day of His wrath."

WHERE is the first mention of wrath in Revelation?

Revelation 6:16  And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The Day of the Lord, God's wrath, or the Day of His wrath, will begin at the 6th seal. Paul teaches us that the rapture will come AT THE SAME MOMENT as the start of His wrath: WE get raptured; THEY get sudden destruction. 

Therefore, Paul DOES tell us when: the rapture will come as the trigger for the start of the Day of the Lord, and the start of God's wrath. It cannot possibly then be the same gathering as written in Matthew 24.

Again notice that John SAW the raptured church right after the 6th seal - in Rev. 7 

All this compared to ONE verse mentioning a gathering that gathers from heaven. There is no comparison: the gathering in Matthew 24 cannot possibly be Paul's rapture gathering.  Study to show yourself approved.

 

 

 

No, I am saying, "God specified this Tribuation is much like that of when Noah went through the Tribulation, we know as the Flood."   God never removed Noah, but made Noah go through it.   If Noah, a great man of God, went through the Tribulation, so then are we, who are nowhere in comparison to Noah!!

[childoftheking]

16 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You are simply mistaken: perhaps sincere, but mistaken.  Study the WORD. Study without preconceptions. 

Please tell us, WHAT are you expecting next? It cannot be His coming - for you believe other things must come first. May I suggest you read the last verse of Hebrews 9?

 

No, your view aligns only with Paul, not with Yeshua.   And I provided 19 specific reasons, with scripture, to prove even Paul verified what Yeshua claimed in Matthew 24!!

[childoftheking]

11 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You really need to learn to read more carefully and WITHOUT preconceived glasses. They blind people from the truth of the Word.  Notice carefully:

³⁷ But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

³⁸ For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

³⁹ And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Do you notice that preposition: FOR? Jesus is going to explain just WHAT about Noah He is talking about. His ONLY POINT about Noah is the suddenness of their destruction. That is His point about His coming: it will be SUDDEN and without warning. Same with Lot: those people in those cities were living life to the fullest, got on one morning thinking that day would be just like yesterday - BUT SUDDENLY fire and brimstone fell and they were destroyed. Same with Noah: His point was not the person of Noah, His point was about the suddenness of those that drowned. Again, read more carefully! Study to show yourself approved!

 

No, I need to REBUKE YOU, is what I need to do.

 

Your persistence that I am off and ((God told you something)) aligns with today's spirit of Jezebel!!

 

 

[iamlamad]

15 hours ago, childoftheking said:

19 Proofs we are Living in the End Time

We are asked quite often why we believe in a post-tribulation rapture. The 19 points below explain our position.

 

 

1. Matthew 24:29-31 clearly says that the rapture happens after the Great Tribulation. Some will say that “the elect” in this passage applies to the Jews, but there is no scriptural proof of this. Furthermore, a study of the word elect or election in the New Testament reveals that every time the word is used, it refers to the church, not to the Jews. The most poignant case is Romans 11:7. Even in Matthew 24, Jesus uses the word elect (verses 22 and 24) to refer to the church, not the unbelieving Jewish people. Further support of verse 31 as the rapture of the church are the verses that follow it, which describe, among other things, two being in the field – one is taken, the other left. This is the rapture.
2. II Thessalonians 2:1-4 clearly says that the Antichrist will be revealed before the rapture. Verse 6 clearly says that what is holding back the revelation of the Antichrist is that it’s not time yet.
3. Revelation 20:4-6 says that saints who were killed during the mark of the beast period – the Great Tribulation – would be part of the “first” resurrection. This conflicts with the pre-tribulation rapture theory, which states that the first resurrection happens before the mark of the beast. The pre-tribulation rapture theory converts the resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 into the “second” resurrection, while John takes great pains to tell us that it’s the first. In an attempt to avoid scripture breakdown, those who hold to a pre-tribulation rapture have said in the past, “There have been many first resurrections.” This of course is absurd and wholly unnecessary. Also, it has been said that a rapture and a resurrection are not the same. But the rapture is when the dead in Christ rise. This is the very definition of resurrection.
4. Matthew 13’s parable of the wheat and the tares (verses 24-30 and 36-43) describes the harvest of the wicked and good as one simultaneous event, not two events separated by seven years. Those who say it does allow for a seven year gap cannot explain away verse 30, which says, “Gather ye together first the tares (the wicked).” According to Jesus, the wheat is not harvested before the tares.
5. I Thessalonians 4:15-18 talks about the rapture of those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord. The Greek word for remain is “perileipo.” According to Strong’s, it can also be translated as “survive.” This is not surprising, because the word “peril” is at the root of “perileipo.” Remain means “remain as in surviving the peril.” This does not seem to support a pre-tribulation rapture theory.
6. In Revelation 13:7, the Antichrist makes war against saints who are from all kindreds, tongues, and nations. That does not describe Jews-only.
7. I Corinthians 15:51-54 speaks of the last trump. Revelation 11:15-19 speaks of the last trump. The description of what happens at the last trump in each of these passages is the same.
8. Every prophecy student would agree that the rapture is when the Lord comes as a thief. Many warnings are given of this in the New Testament, among them Matthew 24:42-43, I Thessalonians 5:2, and II Peter 3:10. One such warning is given in Revelation 16:15. It’s the final, last minute warning: “Behold, I come as a thief.” But notice the context. The following verse is the Battle of Armageddon – the 7th Vial. Why would God be issuing a warning that He will be coming as a thief right up until Armageddon, if He came as a thief seven years prior to this? The answer is, of course, He wouldn’t.
9. It has been theorized that when the Lord comes as a thief in the night, this speaks of a Secret Coming. I Thessalonians 5:1-8 clearly teaches, however, that the church will know when He is coming. The Church will not be taken by surprise. Only the unsaved will be taken by surprise. It is hard to understand where the Secret Coming theory was even conceived.
10. It has been commonly taught that the Great Tribulation is the Wrath of God. The Bible teaches the opposite. When the Great Tribulation ends, this is when the God’s Wrath begins. Proof: One of the events that takes place during the Wrath of God is that the sun, moon, and stars will go dark. It is described in the 6th Seal – Revelation 6:12-17. It specifically calls it the Wrath of God. The sun, moon, and stars going dark is also spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24:29, only Jesus gives us the timing. He says that it occurs after the Great Tribulation. According to Jesus, the Wrath of God is not the Great Tribulation, but rather, the Wrath of God occurs after the Great Tribulation. To operate under the wrong assumption that God’s Wrath is the Tribulation results in nothing but confusion.
11. Revelation 12:7-17 describes the events of the Great Tribulation. This can be proven by comparing it with all other passages in the Bible that speak of a three and one-half year period of time (1,260 days, 42 months, “time, times, and half a time”). Verse 12 calls the Great Tribulation the time of Satan’s Wrath. After all, God does not persecute His own people. Satan does.
12. I Thessalonians 5:9 teaches that God’s people are not appointed unto God’s Wrath. The post-tribulation rapture teaching agrees with this. As stated above, the Great Tribulation is not God’s Wrath. It is Satan’s Wrath. History records that 11 of the 12 apostles were martyred. Saints today are not immune from the trials, temptations, and persecutions of Satan. It has been said that God wouldn’t beat up His bride before marrying her. That is certainly true. He wouldn’t. But Satan would.
13. The pre-tribulation rapture theory states that there is one Second Coming, but that it happens in two phases. (We find this premise to be a stretch.) It is said that the first phase is for His church. It’s the rapture, also called the Secret Coming. The second phase is Matthew 24:31’s gathering of the Jews, which they call the Glorious Appearing. It occurs at the end of the final seven years. There are some scriptures which are in conflict with this theory. Here are two: Titus 2:11-13 instructs the church to live righteously in this present world right up until, not the Secret Coming, but the Glorious Appearing. I Peter 1:5-7 teaches that trials and temptations will continue for the church all the way up until, not the Secret Coming, but the Glorious Appearing.
14. In order to know the timing of the rapture, you must of course understand how the book of Revelation is structured. The pre-tribulation rapture theory is based on the assumption that Revelation was written in a chronological sequence. This means, it is assumed that the events of the endtime are recorded in Revelation in the order they will happen: First the Seals, then the Trumpets, and then the Vials. If it can be proven, however, that Revelation was not written in chronological order, then the house of cards falls. And it does. A simple comparison between the 7th Trumpet (Chapter 11) and 7th Vial (Chapter 16) reveals that they are the same, singular event. Add to this comparison the 6th Seal (Chapter 6), Ezekiel 38:18-22, and Matthew 24:29 and we find that all five of these passages describe the exact same event. The 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial is one event that is described in Chapter 6, again in Chapter 11, and again in 16. Obviously, Revelation is not in the assumed chronological sequence. This is one of several proofs that Revelation is not sequential from front to back. And with this understanding, the underlying assumption upon which the pre-tribulation rapture is based collapses.
15. It has been commonly accepted that in order for the Antichrist to rise to power, the Holy Ghost must be removed from the earth. The basis for this conclusion is II Thessalonians 2:7. There are a few problems with the theory. First and foremost, we already demonstrated above that the first 4 verses of this same chapter mandate the revelation of the Antichrist before the rapture, not after. Paul would not reverse his position so radically three verses later. Second, it is assumed that the “he” in verse 7 is the Holy Ghost, but there is no proof whatsoever for this. And finally, if there is no Holy Ghost on earth during the Great Tribulation, then what power is being used by the Two Witnesses to perform all of their miracles. Revelation 13:5-7 and other passages describe people on earth during the Tribulation who are born again. How can a person be born again without the Holy Ghost? The pre-tribulation rapture theory states that those who are left behind will have a second chance at salvation. The parable of the ten virgins (Matthew 25:1-13) teaches that He comes once and there is no second chance to make the rapture.
16. Some have taught a mid-tribulation rapture. However, this position is impossible since it assumes that the Tribulation lasts for seven years. Yet, there is not one scripture in the entire Bible that describes a seven-year tribulation. Every description of the Tribulation in the Bible teaches that it lasts for three and one-half years. Daniel 7:25, 12:1-7, Revelation 11:3-12, 12:6, 12:7-12, 12:13-17, and 13:5-7. The misunderstanding about a seven-year tribulation comes from Daniel 9:27, which speaks of a covenant that will be confirmed for seven years. This verse teaches that the abomination of desolation will occur halfway through the seven-year period. Jesus said that the abomination of desolation would mark the beginning of the great tribulation (Matthew 24:15-21). From this we know that the great tribulation only lasts for three and one-half years.
17. Many have taught that the rapture is described in Revelation 4:1. John is told to “Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.” This passage has nothing to do with the rapture. It simply means what it says: “I will show you things that must be hereafter.” This is simply the point in John’s writings when he begins recording the events of the future.
    In Revelation 1:19, John is told to write three things: “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter.” Chapters 1-3 contain “…the things thou hast seen, and the things which are.” Chapter 4, verse 1 simply moves into “… the things which shall be hereafter.”
18. Revelation 3:10 is cited by some as proof of a pre-tribulation rapture. The passage says: “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” Some contend that as God protected the church of Philadelphia from temptations that would come upon the world, so shall He protect us from the Great Tribulation. This passage was simply a message to the Philadelphian church that John had oversight of after he was released from the exile on the Isle of Patmos. A similar message was written to the church of Smyrna in Revelation 2:10: “…the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days…” Does this mean that the great tribulation will only last ten days? Of course not. Again, this is a message to one of the seven churches of Asia Minor, which John would overseer after his release from exile.
19. Matthew 24:37, “But as the days of Noah were so shall the coming of the Son of man be,” is offered as proof of a pre-tribulation rapture by some. It is explained that God helped His chosen escape the great tribulation of the flood, and so likewise shall He rapture His church from the coming tribulation. However, it should be noticed that God protected Noah through the flood. He did not bring Noah into heaven to avoid the flood. Furthermore, the coming of the Son of man to which the days of Noah were being compared was the coming just described in verses 29-31, which the passage specifically says will take place immediately after the tribulation.

1.Matthew 24:29-31 clearly says that the rapture happens after the Great Tribulation.  There is no proof whatsoever that the gathering here is Paul's gathering. In fact, there is ample proof this CANNOT be Paul's gathering. 

2.  II Thessalonians 2:1-4 clearly says that the Antichrist will be revealed before the rapture  Wrong! You don't understand the intended meaning here either: There is ONE THING that must come first - according to Paul - and that is the apostasia: the departing. It is the RAPTURE that must come first. It is not a falling away (from what is not included in the definition of this word) it is a departing. IN CONTEXT, it is the departing of what is restraining the revealing of the man of sin. Once the church is "taken out of the way," THEN the man of sin will be revealed. 

3.  Revelation 20:4-6 says that saints who were killed during the mark of the beast period – the Great Tribulation – would be part of the “first” resurrection. WRONG again! More misunderstanding! There are only TWO resurrections ever: one for the just and one for the unjust. Period and should be end of story.  It is NOT "first" as in counting and chronology, it is first in HONOR or first in distinction. This resurrection is for the righteous. Since there are only two, and this one is for the righteous, JESUS resurrection was very much a part of this resurrection. This is proven by the very word, "firstfruits." This word tells us there will be MORE of the same type coming. 

You are thinking first in TIMING; you are mistaken. This is the CHIEF of resurrections. 

"FIRST" Greek protos: Strongs:

first in time or place, in any succession of things or persons, first in rank, influence, honour, chief, principal

IN CONTEXT this cannot be first in succession, but rather, first in priority. 

Readers: there is no need to go future, point by point: the real point is, all these verses can be taken different ways. How someone reads a verse is usually determined by what preconceived glasses they are reading with. 

What everyone needs to ask: WHICH end time theory best fits ALL end times verses. 

Question for posttribbers: please tell us HOW posttribbers are going to get to the marriage and supper.

[iamlamad]

Just now, childoftheking said:

No, I need to REBUKE YOU, is what I need to do.

Your persistence that I am off and ((God told you something)) aligns with today's spirit of Jezebel!!

Your attitude is showing! Is this brotherly love? I have said nothing: it is the scriptures themselves that show your theories are in error.  Anyway, you are just as persistent that my theories are wrong. 

Edited May 4, 2019 by iamlamad