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Montana gave you the answer...Russia is running out of Oil and Gas to use at home and sell to Europe. Israel’s  Mediterranean strike of Gas is huge and Russia wants it.

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9 minutes ago, Mystic_Pizza said:

I don't believe anyone 'wants' to do anything- there are always ulterior motives. What about God putting the Egyptian Pharaoh on his throne just to display His power against him? (Romans 9:17) But here is why I believe they will invade, whether or not we understand why:

Ezekiel 38-39

The Lord’s Great Victory Over the Nations

38 The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of[a] Meshek and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of[b] Meshek and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Persia, Cush[c] and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.

“‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

10 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[d] 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages[e] will say to you, “Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?”’

14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

17 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: You are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel. At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’

39 “Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of[f] Meshek and Tubal. I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the Lord.

“‘I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the Lord am the Holy One in Israel. It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign Lord. This is the day I have spoken of.

“‘Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel. 10 They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forests, because they will use the weapons for fuel. And they will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them, declares the Sovereign Lord.

11 “‘On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east of the Sea. It will block the way of travelers, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the Valley of Hamon Gog.[g]

12 “‘For seven months the Israelites will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 13 All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I display my glory will be a memorable day for them, declares the Sovereign Lord. 14 People will be continually employed in cleansing the land. They will spread out across the land and, along with others, they will bury any bodies that are lying on the ground.

“‘After the seven months they will carry out a more detailed search. 15 As they go through the land, anyone who sees a human bone will leave a marker beside it until the gravediggers bury it in the Valley of Hamon Gog, 16 near a town called Hamonah.[h] And so they will cleanse the land.’

17 “Son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Call out to every kind of bird and all the wild animals: ‘Assemble and come together from all around to the sacrifice I am preparing for you, the great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel. There you will eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth as if they were rams and lambs, goats and bulls—all of them fattened animals from Bashan. 19 At the sacrifice I am preparing for you, you will eat fat till you are glutted and drink blood till you are drunk. 20 At my table you will eat your fill of horses and riders, mighty men and soldiers of every kind,’ declares the Sovereign Lord.

21 “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them. 22 From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.

25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will now restore the fortunes of Jacob[i] and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. 26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. 29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Sovereign Lord.”

The Word of God says it, End of Story.

Did you read the story?

The story is clear tat a peaceful people are dwelling in israel at the time Gog invades israel.The story says the people are unsuspecting.

The story says Gog will invade a land that has recoverd from war.

Thus far the Israeli goverment has been part of many wars since its foundation in 1948.

Do you call this people a peaceful people who seem to have a war every other year?Do you call them unsuspecting as they develip many more nuclear weapons?Is that what you call peaceful?

 

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7 minutes ago, Littlelambseativy said:

Montana gave you the answer...Russia is running out of Oil and Gas to use at home and sell to Europe. Israel’s  Mediterranean strike of Gas is huge and Russia wants it.

Perhaps you cant believe the truth

 

Russia has more oil than israel could fit in its tiny borders.

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But they sell the gas to Europe..remember last year or 2years ago when Russia was going to cut off supply to Europe?  They need the oil and gas for their economy and to supply Europe and their own people. Certainly it was used as a tactic but oil runs out as does gas.

 

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15 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Did you read the story?

The story is clear tat a peaceful people are dwelling in israel at the time Gog invades israel.The story says the people are unsuspecting.

The story says Gog will invade a land that has recoverd from war.

Thus far the Israeli goverment has been part of many wars since its foundation in 1948.

Do you call this people a peaceful people who seem to have a war every other year?Do you call them unsuspecting as they develip many more nuclear weapons?Is that what you call peaceful?

 

Ezekiel 38 and 39 says what it says. If it doesn't fit in with what you think it should fit in with, I don't know what to tell you.

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6 minutes ago, Littlelambseativy said:

But they sell the gas to Europe..remember last year or 2years ago when Russia was going to cut off supply to Europe?  They need the oil and gas for their economy and to supply Europe and their own people. Certainly it was used as a tactic but oil runs out as does gas.

 

Russia is not running out.Russia is ranked 7th worldwide fore proven oil reserves.Israel is ranked 86th .

Israel has no oil when compared to russia.

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1 minute ago, Mystic_Pizza said:

Ezekiel 38 and 39 says what it says. If it doesn't fit in with what you think it should fit in with, I don't know what to tell you.

Fit in?

I dont try to put a square peg in a round hole.

 

The peaceful peope who dwell in israel when Gog invades israel are not in control of israel today.

Keep in mind.God says those people are at peace.Thats not going to happen till after the war.

After the land has recoverd from war.Like i said.Did you read the story?

Gog does not invade Israel till after the war according to this verse.Do you believe this one verse?

 

https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-8.htm

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https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-8.htm

Here is where paying attention to God makes sense.Common sense.

According to God,Gog will invade Israel after the war.After the land has recovered from the previous devestating war that the earth itself has to revover from.

Israelhas no nucleat weapons when Gog invades israel.It has no weapons.It has no walls.All the former things have passed.When Gog invades Israel ,it will be occupied by a peaceful unsuspecting people.

Long after the war.

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Ezek.38-8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
 

Yes, I read it. Which war, Shiloh? How many? Here is what I read when I read the entire verse: that the people were gathered from many nations back to their own land, which had long been desolate. Brought out of many nations, now living in safety. Well, safety is a somewhat relative term, I think. The land had 'long been desolate', although there were people here and there who lived there, so 'desolate' is a somewhat relative term as well, wouldn't you say? The people were brought out from 'many nations', that's certainly true. They aren't 'walled in' like they were back in ancient times- your issue seems to be that Russia can't possibly consider invading them, that it makes no sense to you, and would do more harm than good. Maybe so, but according to scripture, that is exactly what they do. Why, is anyone's guess. But scripture still says that is what will happen, and that God is going to 'put the hook in their jaw' and cause it to be so. I don't understand the 'why', but ....again....it's what scripture says. So, whether I believe it or not is a somewhat moot point, because my opinion certainly isn't going to change the reality of the situation. It comes down to a matter of...sitting back and waiting to see how it all unfolds, according to prophecy. We can study, we can surmise, but until it happens the way God planned for it to happen, not one of us knows 100% the way this will unfold. Myself included.

And that is the end of my opinion on this, because I refuse to get caught up in an argument that isn't important as it is. The reason I say it isn't important, is because regardless of what anyone says 'yea or nay' about it, it will unfold the way God has said it will, and we will all watch as it does. That would just seem to be how it is.

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4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:
4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

If i wait 3 or 4 years,there still will be no logical reason for Russia to attempt to invade a nuclear power such as Israel.

Theres nothing in Israel that isnt already in Russia.

If Russia just wanted to start a nuclearwar with someone ,they could start it wity the US.Theres no less to loose .

 

 

We have no idea of what may transpire over the next 3- 4 years. It may be 1 or 2 years or more.  One should not to always try to put what is going on now worldwide to some Prophecies.  The Prophecy will not change to meet the standard of today.  But what we think the standard of today is will change to meet or fulfill the word of the Prophecy in question.  Prophecy is always 100 percent correct.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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