appy Posted February 18, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 6:14 PM, R. Hartono said: and determine the amount of money to clean all sins. First of all, only Muslim belief declares the above, NOT Christianity. On 2/16/2022 at 6:14 PM, R. Hartono said: The tithe practice is so unGodly that pastors visited believers' house to calculate all value of the assets including Cars, tv etc I found Wikipedia, Britannica and many, many other web sites quite helpful in explaining the above quote. There is not enough space here to give a full explanation of all that I read and learned, so in Summary. Muslim ruled countries assesses a form of religious contribution which is a religious tax of sorts so to speak. An audit is performed and an assessment is made upon on a person's overall income. Possessions in and outside the home are considered a form of income and is taxed. In most Muslim-majority countries, contributions are voluntary, while in Libya, Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen a contribution of 2% from the total income is regulated by the state, NOT by Christian churches. The following are the only countries outside of Muslim run countries in which the governing authorities mandate a “church tax” collection that is based on a person's “overall” income which is assessed at 2% NOT 10% as you have claimed Hartono. Collection of a “church tax” is used to cover any church-related expenses such as funding institutions and foundations or paying ministers. Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Sweden, and Switzerland No other countries around the world assesses a “church tax” other than the one's I've listed above. It most certainly is NOT done in the United States. Churches can not survive without income Hartono. A church with no income can not do their job of serving others. Money is a necessity, which is why the Countries listed above have a “church tax” in place. Sure, pastor's can preach for nothing, but they can't do this so well, if the majority of their time or all of their time is spent on working a second or third job to meet their own household expenses. Or trying to keep the doors of a church open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted February 18, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 6:14 PM, R. Hartono said: Why cant the pastors receive whatever is given like those 70 disciples sent by Jesus ? All humans have other needs, besides food in the belly. Let me ask you, does your boss, pay you in groceries? Or would you rather be paid with money? Don't you, yourself have other needs besides food? Can you, yourself use food, to pay your rent or mortgage? Can you use food to pay other bills? Did you buy your cell phone/lap top/computer with food as payment? Do you see the absurdity in this? Then why would you think that pastor's or churches should be paid in food only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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