God used Evolution to 'create' man

[one.opinion]

9 hours ago, Cletus said:

there is still to this day zero evidence for evolution

Evolution, the heritable change in a population over time, is easily observable today. The evidence is literally all over the planet. There is also substantial evidence supporting implications of evolution like common ancestry. It is not imaginary.

[dhchristian]

11 hours ago, one.opinion said:

READ CAREFULLY - THE CONCEPT OF “JUNK DNA” PREDATES THE ABILITY TO COMPARE GENOMES BY 30 YEARS!

What I copied from the site above would dismiss this claim of yours, Stating that they Knew and obfuscated the truth. 

 

4 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Scientists had gained the ability to perform rudimentary DNA tests in the early 1970's.  One of the first series of DNA tests they performed was directed at comparing the DNA of apes and humans.  They expected to find enormous similarity but the actual results were shocking because they found that there was very little similarity between the DNA of apes and humans. 

 

They found that ape and human DNA was only about 2% nearly identical but more than 70% of ape DNA could not be matched to human DNA. 

 

This data totally contradicted “ape to human evolution” because if humans actually did evolve from apes, then the DNA of humans and apes would have to be very similar  But those early DNA tests devastatingly contradicted “ape to human evolution.”

 

You would expect that such discoveries would be widely published because it was so news worthy.  But the discoveries never were published.

 

Those DNA tests were performed by atheist scientists who worshipped Darwin and evolution theory.  Many of those scientists had earned their graduate degrees based on writing theses in support of evolution theory.  These atheist scientists agreed among themselves to keep the test results a secret and they formed a Darwin Conspiracy to concoct an explanation for why the ape DNA was so different from human DNA.

 

Faced with the fact that only 2% of ape and human DNA was “nearly identical,” these atheists scientists, led by Dr. Susumu Ohno, hypothesized that only the 2% of human and ape DNA that was nearly identical was essential, and the other 98% was “junk DNA” 

 

The atheists did have some minimal basis for their hypothesis – it appeared that most of the actual genes were in that 2% and not in the 98%.

 

The scientists therefore claimed that the 2% was all of the “encoding DNA,” and therefore essential to life, but the other 98% was “noncoding DNA” and not essential to life and therefore was junk.

 

But we now know that their assertion was based on half-truths, omissions and the concept of “junk DNA” – right from the start it was an insidious lie designed to deceive us.

 

[one.opinion]

4 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Scientists had gained the ability to perform rudimentary DNA tests in the early 1970's.  One of the first series of DNA tests they performed was directed at comparing the DNA of apes and humans.  They expected to find enormous similarity but the actual results were shocking because they found that there was very little similarity between the DNA of apes and humans. 

 

They found that ape and human DNA was only about 2% nearly identical but more than 70% of ape DNA could not be matched to human DNA. 

 

This data totally contradicted “ape to human evolution” because if humans actually did evolve from apes, then the DNA of humans and apes would have to be very similar  But those early DNA tests devastatingly contradicted “ape to human evolution.”

What is shocking is that this paradigm-shattering data is not described anywhere in this essay. I wonder why this evidence that overturns the scientific establishment totally contradicted "ape to human evolution" was not included. It is almost like **GASP** that key evidence does not exist...

 

4 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Faced with the fact that only 2% of ape and human DNA was “nearly identical,” these atheists scientists, led by Dr. Susumu Ohno, hypothesized that only the 2% of human and ape DNA that was nearly identical was essential, and the other 98% was “junk DNA” 

 

The atheists did have some minimal basis for their hypothesis – it appeared that most of the actual genes were in that 2% and not in the 98%.

 

The scientists therefore claimed that the 2% was all of the “encoding DNA,” and therefore essential to life, but the other 98% was “noncoding DNA” and not essential to life and therefore was junk.

 

But we now know that their assertion was based on half-truths, omissions and the concept of “junk DNA” – right from the start it was an insidious lie designed to deceive us.

Let's look at the actual paper from Dr. Ohno that he wrote when first proposing the concept of "junk DNA". Unfortunately, all I can find is a version that I cannot copy and paste, so I will have to rely on screenshots and the url to show you the article.

Here is a link to the paper and some commentary related to the paper - http://www.junkdna.com/ohno.html

As you can see, Ohno relies on logical derivation, rather than direct evidence to arrive at his figures, and his proposed "junk DNA". This hypothesis of junk DNA WAS NOT A FABRICATION REQUIRED BY MISMATCHED HUMAN AND CHIMP DNA. He suggests that about 6% of the human genome consists of structural genes, regulatory genes, and regions of DNA like promoters and operators, and more than 90% of the human genome is superfluous. Now, the ENCODE Project presents really strong evidence that the amount of superfluous DNA in the human genome is quite a bit smaller than that, but you can probably see where this is leading.

THE CLAIM THAT "Faced with the fact that only 2% of ape and human DNA was “nearly identical,” these atheists scientists, led by Dr. Susumu Ohno, hypothesized that only the 2% of human and ape DNA that was nearly identical was essential, and the other 98% was “junk DNA” " IS COMPLETE BALONEY.

Friend, you have indeed been deceived by a complete lie, and here is proof of it. And guess what - that lie was not from an atheistic "Darwinian", but by a Christian (maybe?) opponent of evolution.

 

[The Barbarian]

8 hours ago, dhchristian said:

This first illustration below compares human chromosome 1 side by side with gorilla chromosome 1.  They are obviously not 99% identical.  For example, gorilla chromosome 1 has a medium sized gray banded area at the top  that is entirely missing from the chromosome 1.  Human chromosome 1 has a very wide gray band near the middle but the gorilla gray band in the middle is very narrow, only about one fifth the size. 

Gorillas are genetically quite a bit different than humans and chimpanzees.   But as you see, human and chimp chromosomes are very, very similar.  That's the reason your site took the biologist's statement about humans and chimpanzees, and pretended it was about humans and gorillas.   Regrettably, that's what we've come to expect from YE creationists.

 

Edited January 7, 2020 by The Barbarian

[dhchristian]

58 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

THE CLAIM THAT "Faced with the fact that only 2% of ape and human DNA was “nearly identical,” these atheists scientists, led by Dr. Susumu Ohno, hypothesized that only the 2% of human and ape DNA that was nearly identical was essential, and the other 98% was “junk DNA” " IS COMPLETE BALONEY.

Friend, you have indeed been deceived by a complete lie, and here is proof of it. And guess what - that lie was not from an atheistic "Darwinian", but by a Christian (maybe?) opponent of evolution.

You Argue about the numbers, yet the facts are true, and you base your falsification on the numbers he has in his article. I Do Not know where he got His numbers, But I suspect these are from later "findings" evolutionists. 

Please consider what you are agreeing to here. 

1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

Now, the ENCODE Project presents really strong evidence that the amount of superfluous DNA in the human genome is quite a bit smaller than that, but you can probably see where this is leading.

If Encode is right, Then the evolution between Ape and Human is Impossible. I Have heard anywhere from 30% to 70% similarity between the entire genome between Ape and Human in the reading I have been doing, with 50% being the mean. That Means Billions of evolutionary steps, and there are just not enough days of history to account for this. So Perhaps His numbers are off, But do not discount his conclusions. Project ENCODE has put a nail in the coffin of the theory of evolution, and even you agree with its findings.

As Larry Moran, an atheist wrote in one of the article quoted.

 Moran is candid at least. He pulls no punches. He has advocated the targeted academic destruction of students and scientists who do not share his atheist beliefs, and he threatened the ENCODE scientists with thinly-veiled retribution:
 

I reserve my harshest criticism for the scientists, especially Ewan Birney who is the lead analysis coordinator for the project and who has taken on the role as spokesperson for the consortium. Unless other members of the consortium speak out, I'll assume they agree with Ewan Birney. They bear the same responsibility for what has happened.

Now he admits (about the ENCODE breakthrough):
 

"This is going to make my life very complicated"

http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2012/11/darwinist-larry-moran-encode-is-going.html

Threats? Targeting? Does this sound like "good science" to you, which desires to know the Truth? This sounds more like Bullying and Elitism to me, The Pushing of one World view over the rest. Much like the Catholic church in the Dark ages dictating what is true at the threat of the stake or the inquisition. This has been going on for years now, It is time for it to stop, and to restore science to a free battlefield of Ideas and let the facts speak for themselves. Evolution is a dying theory, except amongst those who surround themselves with converts to their worldview.  

[The Barbarian]

1 minute ago, dhchristian said:

Threats? Targeting? Does this sound like "good science" to you, which desires to know the Truth? 

Certainly not the YE Creationist site that switched a gorilla chromosome for a chimpanzee one.  As you saw, human chromosome 1 and chimpanzee chromosome 1 are almost identical,while the gorilla chromosome is quite different.  Humans and chimps are much more closely related to each other, than either is to gorillas. 

5 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

This sounds more like Bullying and Elitism to me, The Pushing of one World view over the rest.

It just sounds like the typical dishonesty we're used to seeing from YE creationists.   Not all of them, of course.  Mostly from their leaders who know better, but lie to their followers like this.   As you've seen, they troll the literature, trying to find text they can cut out of context and present as proof that it's scientists who aren't honest.    The problem for them is that sometimes their followers present the "proof" to people who know what they're talking about.    And then this happens to you.

Learn from it.

 

 

[The Barbarian]

13 hours ago, Cletus said:

the year is now 2020.  there is still to this day zero evidence for evolution, which is a mere theory, a best guess in the first place.  an imagination run wild. 

 

It's directly observed happening.   Perhaps you don't know what "evolution" means.   What do you think it means?

[one.opinion]

23 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Gorillas are genetically quite a bit different than humans and chimpanzees.   But as you see, human and chimp chromosomes are very, very similar. 

Oh, good catch. I had missed the "bait and switch" the first time around.

[one.opinion]

24 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

You Argue about the numbers, yet the facts are true

The argument is NOT about the numbers. Whoever wrote the article stated that Ohno fabricated this concept of "junk DNA" because chimp DNA and human DNA was so different (outside of protein-coding regions) that the two were not even comparable. Now, I presented Ohno's writing, and it is ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that your article's claim is bogus.

You have bought in so deeply to this lie that you believe it despite direct evidence to the contrary. You have presented exactly ZERO evidence that Ohno and others made up "junk DNA" because the chimp and human samples were so different. All you have are articles full of fabrications - and you choose to defend them. All I can say to that is "wow..."

 

[one.opinion]

@dhchristian here are some facts.

Fact 1 - Ohno first put the concept of "junk DNA" into print in 1972.

Fact 2 - Methods for sequencing DNA were not published until 1977.

Fact 3 - The whole genome comparison between chimp and human DNA was not official until publication of the chimp genome in 2005

Fact 4 - It is not possible to compare the similarity between human and chimp genomes without being able to sequence DNA and derive the whole genome sequence.

Therefore.....

Fact 5 - Ohno could not have made up the phony concept of "junk DNA" (because of low genome similarity between chimps and humans) in 1972 without genomes being published. This claim is so ridiculous because DNA sequencing methods HAD NOT EVEN BEEN INVENTED.

Thus....

Fact 6 - The claim:

Quote

Faced with the fact that only 2% of ape and human DNA was “nearly identical,” these atheists scientists, led by Dr. Susumu Ohno, hypothesized that only the 2% of human and ape DNA that was nearly identical was essential, and the other 98% was “junk DNA”

is a complete lie.

@dhchristian, Why do you defend lies?