johnthebaptist Posted January 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, JohnD said: Deep in the South of the OLD Testament... The Law friend. The Law. The one that said stone people for these sins and others. Are you saying we should keep the Law? OR do you yet realize we are under Grace by some 1900+ years now? God always told the truth, be it the Old Testament or the New Testament. I do believe that the Lord was speaking to the Jews in the Old Testament, and not all of his rules and regulations applied to Christians, but if he said homosexuality is an abomination, then that is what it is, no matter who the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, JohnD said: Galatians 3:24–28 (NIV84) 24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. 26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. God did not lie to us in the Old Testament. He said homosexuality is an abomination. That will always be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 27, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 27, 2020 Again, I am not making ANY sin sinless. I am saying do not be worked up about the word abomination. Leviticus 7:18 (AV) 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. It was used a lot in Levitical Law ALL sin is an abomination in God's eyes! Everyone of them cost the life of His dear Son. Lust, white lies, laziness, thievery, murder, adultery, heterosexual sins, homosexual sins... Why single out one and beat the people over the head who do it with what SHOULD BE a loving outreach with the message of God's love and salvation. Do we trust God so little that we believe his Holy Spirit cannot deal with homosexual sinners as he can with heterosexual sinners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 27, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: God always told the truth, be it the Old Testament or the New Testament. I do believe that the Lord was speaking to the Jews in the Old Testament, and not all of his rules and regulations applied to Christians, but if he said homosexuality is an abomination, then that is what it is, no matter who the audience. Okay, so you'd better fire up the altar for animal sacrifice. Galatians 3:28 no difference between Jew and Gentile in Christ. Get the rocks ready to throw at heterosexual offenders as well as homosexual offenders. Because according to you the Law applies under Grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 27, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: God did not lie to us in the Old Testament. He said homosexuality is an abomination. That will always be true. Never said God lied. You imply it apparently if you are unwilling to accept what I repeatedly spelled out for you in Galatians 3:24-25. Paul the Apostle dedicated much writing in his epistles against what you are doing... bringing Old Testament Law into New Testament Grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, JohnD said: Okay, so you'd better fire up the altar for animal sacrifice. Galatians 3:28 no difference between Jew and Gentile in Christ. Get the rocks ready to throw at heterosexual offenders as well as homosexual offenders. Because according to you the Law applies under Grace. No, I believe the Lord was speaking to the Jews in the Old Testament, and it isn't necessary for us to follow all the ordinances, decrees, and statutes that the Jews had to follow. But when the Lord makes a statement of fact, he is telling the truth, and he told us homosexuality is an abomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 27, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 27, 2020 The Old Testament Law was fulfilled by Jesus Christ on the cross. It identifies forever what is sin. I never said homosexuality is not a sin. In fact I said it is sin. I also said heterosexual deviation from God's Levitical standard: one man / one woman for one lifetime with fidelity (including not lusting after others) or putting away husbands or wives for unbiblical reasons (and only then due to the hardness of human hearts)... are also sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 27, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 27, 2020 Just now, johnthebaptist said: No, I believe the Lord was speaking to the Jews in the Old Testament, and it isn't necessary for us to follow all the ordinances, decrees, and statutes that the Jews had to follow. But when the Lord makes a statement of fact, he is telling the truth, and he told us homosexuality is an abomination. Galatians 3:24-28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, JohnD said: Never said God lied. You imply it apparently if you are unwilling to accept what I repeatedly spelled out for you in Galatians 3:24-25. Paul the Apostle dedicated much writing in his epistles against what you are doing... bringing Old Testament Law into New Testament Grace. Leviticus 18:22 is a statement of fact, not a rule: Homosexuality is an abomination. The audience or time frame doesn't change that fact. A fact remains a fact forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, JohnD said: Galatians 3:24-28. When God says something, it's true. He said it is an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he would a woman. It doesn't matter when he said it. It doesn't matter who he said it to. He said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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