Dan 9 told the year Jesus would come

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As many here would know, Dan 9 gives us the years from a decree till the time Jesus the Prince would be here.

 

Counting from the year of the decree, (the only one that covers both the city and the wall) which was 445 BC, we are told the Prince would be here in 476 years.

That puts it about the time of the triumphant entry into Jerusalem as the Prince, or King. Seems to me that right there is proof God exists. No one else could ever fulfill the prophesy.

I didn't get into the days because there is some small degree of uncertainty about exact dates, like the birth of Jesus and etc.

 

In that same chapter of Dan 9 we see that the mid east peace agreement that will be signed and broken mid way in the seven years, that when the AC breaks the agreement, the animal sacrifices are stopped.

 

That leads me to think that the agreement will have allowed them to start. I didn't see that yet in Krushner's deal.

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16 hours ago, dad2 said:

In that same chapter of Dan 9 we see that the mid east peace agreement that will be signed and broken mid way in the seven years, that when the AC breaks the agreement, the animal sacrifices are stopped.

That leads me to think that the agreement will have allowed them to start. I didn't see that yet in Krushner's deal.

Don't be surprised if you never see that.  The temple of God has been in existence for nearly two millennia and sacrifices are taking place there all the time.

• Through Him then, let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that give thanks to His name.  And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.  Hebrews 13:15-16

Whether or not there's going to be a "brick and mortar" temple in Jerusalem is yet to be seen.  There may be, but not necessarily so.

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11 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

We thus have a 490 year basis for both Jerusalem and the people of the kingdom.   The fact that Jerusalem became the capital of the kingdom ~ 47.5 years after its initiation,  AND The edict of Cyrus also came ~47.5  years after the destruction of Jerusalem,  necessitates that both intervals [Jerusalem as the capital,  & of the Kingdom] are of identical lengths.   The fact that the 70 years of desolation of Jerusalem was for failing to keep 70 sabbatical years,  confirms that the interval lengths are indeed 490 years. 

I do believe that the 70 week prophecy does prophecy when the messiah would be cut off.

 

 

There are some unknown factors as to exactly when the prophesied days ended. But it is safe to say that they ended at the time of Jesus, no matter how you look at it. So I try not to get too dogmatic about when the years came to and end, other than it had to be in the life of Jesus. The fact that God said there would be a specific number of years till Messiah came, and He did come in that time proves God is real.

 

 In science, imagine if someone predicted that a super nova would explode exactly in 476 years! That would be help up as solid evidence that their theories were valid. Instead, noone predicted, for example, SN1987a.

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3 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Don't be surprised if you never see that.  The temple of God has been in existence for nearly two millennia and sacrifices are taking place there all the time.

• Through Him then, let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that give thanks to His name.  And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.  Hebrews 13:15-16

Whether or not there's going to be a "brick and mortar" temple in Jerusalem is yet to be seen.  There may be, but not necessarily so.

No, actually. The temple was destroyed as Jesus said, not one stone left on another. The context of the descriptions of things pertaining to the temple is clear. When we are told that the bad leader will stop the sacrifices, and place some bad thing in the holy of holies, that is not talking about some Christian Hillbilly in Virginia being defiled by TV.

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19 minutes ago, dad2 said:

No, actually. The temple was destroyed as Jesus said, not one stone left on another. The context of the descriptions of things pertaining to the temple is clear. When we are told that the bad leader will stop the sacrifices, and place some bad thing in the holy of holies, that is not talking about some Christian Hillbilly in Virginia being defiled by TV.

Again, don't be surprised if you never see that.

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4 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Again, don't be surprised if you never see that.

Prophesy is actually not something that maybe won't happen. Prophesy is as good as history. It as as good as done already! Trying to use an interpretation that the temple and holy place etc means something other than what it means is lame.

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39 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Prophesy is actually not something that maybe won't happen. Prophesy is as good as history. It as as good as done already! Trying to use an interpretation that the temple and holy place etc means something other than what it means is lame.

Prophecy will happen according to the will of God, not man's presumptions.  Jesus confirmed the new covenant and it is reiterated by Paul.

• The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”  But He was speaking of the temple of His body.  John 2:20-21
• Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 1 Corinthians 6:19

What's lame is not understanding new covenant truth. 

• Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?  If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.  Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise.  1 Corinthians 3:16-18

Something to reflect on.

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38 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Prophecy will happen according to the will of God, not man's presumptions. 

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Nor can man stop them from happening or explain them away, or claim that they are something other than what they were talking about.

Jesus confirmed the new covenant and it is reiterated by Paul.

• The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”  But He was speaking of the temple of His body.  John 2:20-21
• Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 1 Corinthians 6:19

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The temple was the actual temple they saw there built by Herod, that was prophesied not to have one stone upon another left. The fact that our bodies are also referred to as temples takes nothing away from that.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Da Puppers said:

Two of the reasons why there are so many varying interpretations is because: 

1.  There is so very little information to corroborate the events of the Persian period from Cyrus till Alexander the great,  an estimated 207 years (538 - 331 BC].

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We do know when Darius reined, and when Nehemiah worked on the wall. We know when Jesus lived. All we need to do is look at the approx time between these things and we know that the 476 years fits. We also know when the king who gave the decree in the OP lived.

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What I am finding for the reason for this difference can only be classified as circumstantial evidence.   The S.O.R was "updated" about 100 years after Christ (140-160 AD).  The Persian period was intentionally shortened, so as not to reflect the time of the crucifixion of Christ,  as the expected time, according to Daniel 9, as to when the messiah was supposed to come.  The chronology was altered to point to a known false messiah (I think it is Simon Bar Kochba), to absolve them of their rejection of Christ.   The currently accepted chronology of that time period,  establishes the number of years by looking forward from the temple's destruction and backwards from the crucifixion.   These are two well documented events relative to other nearby events.   I believe that the date of 586 BC, 615 years before the crucifixion was established with more reliable information than we use now.   Many of the events of that time period,  namely the Persian chronicles are best guess estimates of broken pieces of information. 

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Well, maybe forget the Jewish thing, since it adds confusion and is not supported.

1 hour ago, Da Puppers said:

 I am of the opinion that the events of Ezra  & Nehemiah all took place in the 49 years (the first 7 weeks of Daniel 9) following the decree of Cyrus in 538 BC.   The chronology of Ezra,  whose father,  Seraiah, was killed by Nebuzaradan, in 586 B.C.,  puts a limit of about 100 years after the temples destruction,  as to when he lived.   I know this casts almost insurmountable doubt as to when and how the 70 week prophecy began.   One of the known provisions of that prophecy is that the wall would be built in the first 7 weeks after the decree to rebuild.   I don't think that there is enough information out there to adequately bridge the gap between Cyrus and Jesus.   But IF the sages of the 2nd century revision made to the S.O.R., did so to absolve them of their rejection of Christ,  then they did have information available to them that pointed to Christ as fulfilment of the Daniel 9 prophecy.   I just don't know how to bridge the gap. 

 

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Maybe if we don't invents gaps they might be easier to bridge. We do not need any 'S.O.R.' The dates for when Jerusalem was rebuilt and the captivity are known, no? We know when the king that was there when the prophesy was given to Daniel reigned (Darius). We know when the king who gave the decree about the wall and the city insides was given lived.