ahmedcrow Posted March 13, 2020 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 56 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/19/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 13, 2020 Gospel said that there are three witness in heaven, the father, the son and the holy spirit, I think it's in one of John's messages, the holy spirit can take forms like the dove, and Gospel is clear about the faith of holy spirit but there's no much details about how holy spirit works nor how he looks like nor his abilities. Holy spirit concept is so essential basic one in Christianity and refusing it will make another kind of Christianity. I think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted March 13, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,060 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted March 13, 2020 dr this and dr that founder of jws and mormons and seventh day adventists a pope etc even a third person god --- and yet THERE IS ONE JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR WHO TEACHES US ACTS 4:12 neither is there salvation in any other for there is---NONE OTHER NAME---under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved 2 CORINTHIANS 8:5 for though there be that --ARE CALLED GODS-- whether in heaven or in earth as there be gods many and lords many --8:6-- BUT TO US -- there is but one GOD THE FATHER of whom are all things and we in HIM and one LORD JESUS CHRIST by whom are all things and we by HIM 1 TIMOTHY 2:5 FOR THERE IS ONE GOD AND ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN ---THE MAN JESUS CHRIST--- MATTHEW 23:8 BUT BE YOU NOT CALLED RABBI ---FOR ONE IS YOUR MASTER EVEN CHRIST--- and all you are brethren MATTHEW 23:10 NEITHER BE YOU CALLED MASTERS FOR--ONE--IS YOUR MASTER --EVEN CHRIST-- *******1 CORINTHIANS 11:1 BE YOU FOLLOWERS OF ME EVEN AS I ALSO AM OF CHRIST******* 1 CORINTHIANS 2:16 FOR --WHO-- HATH KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD THAT HE MAY INSTRUCT HIM BUT WE HAVE ---THE MIND OF CHRIST--- PHILIPPIANS 1:27 only let your conversation be as it becometh -- THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST -- that whether I come and see you or else be absent I may hear of your affairs that you stand fast ---IN ONE SPIRIT AND WITH ONE MIND---striving together for ---THE FAITH OF THE GOSPEL--- EPHESIANS 4:4 there is one body ---AND ONE SPIRIT--- even as you are called in one hope of your calling 1 THESSALONIANS 2:12 that you would walk worthy of GOD who hath called you unto HIS KINGDOM and glory PHILIPPIANS 2:2 FULFIL YOU MY JOY THAT YOU BE LIKE MINDED HAVING THE SAME LOVE BEING OF ONE ACCORD --OF ONE MIND-- ROMANS 15:6 THAT YOU MAY WITH ONE MIND AND ---ONE MOUTH GLORIFY GOD--- EVEN THE FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST 1 CORINTHIANS 1:10 now I beseech you brethren ---BY THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST--- that you all --SPEAK THE SAME THING-- and that there be no divisions among you but that you be --PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER IN THE SAME MIND--and the same judgement PROVERBS 8:20 I LEAD IN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THE MIDST OF THE PATHS OF JUDGEMENT JAMES 3:16 FOR WHERE ENVYING AND STRIFE IS THERE IS CONFUSION AND EVERY EVIL WORK --3:17-- BUT THE WISDOM THAT IS FROM ABOVE IS FIRST PURE THEN PEACEABLE GENTLE AND EASY TO BE INTREATED FULL OF MERCY AND GOOD FRUITS WITHOUT PARTIALITY ---AND WITHOUT HYPOCRISY--- *******1 CORINTHIANS 6:17 BUT HE THAT IS JOINED UNTO THE LORD IS ONE SPIRIT******* JOHN 6:63 IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT QUICKENETH THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE 1 CORINTHIANS 15:45 AND SO IT IS WRITTEN THE FIRST MAN ADAM WAS MADE A LIVING SOUL THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT --15:47-- THE FIRST MAN IS OF THE EARTH EARTHY THE SECOND MAN IS ---THE LORD FROM HEAVEN--- ROMANS 8:13 FOR IF YOU LIVE AFTER THE FLESH ---YOU SHALL DIE--- BUT IF--- YOU THROUGH THE SPIRIT DO MORTIFY THE DEEDS OF THE BODY YOU SHALL LIVE 1 JOHN 2:29 IF YOU KNOW THAT HE IS RIGHTEOUS YOU KNOW THAT EVERYONE THAT --DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS BORN OF HIM-- LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR FATHER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted March 14, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,090 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 501 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 read to here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted March 14, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,090 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 501 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 On 3/12/2020 at 11:43 AM, Justin Adams said: Sadly we are poorly taught so we have to search out stuff and read lots of scholarship that is sound. Very few know their scriptures so can be easy prey. Make sure that your understanding is not stripped of the supernatural and does not follow people like Augustine etc.. Take the time to listen to Dr. Heiser as he lectures at Knox. You will get a very good grounding here. //www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MXOOIEagxg (put https:) in the front of the URL. "4. It remains, therefore, for us, so far as my capacity to apprehend it goes, to understand Jesus as having promised that He would cause His disciples, from being carnal and natural, to become spiritual, although not yet such as we shall be, when a spiritual body shall also be ours; but such as was he who said, We speak wisdom among them that are perfect; 1 Corinthians 2:6 and, I could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal; 1 Corinthians 3:1 and, We have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man perceives not the things of the Spirit of God. And thus the natural man, perceiving not the things of the Spirit of God, hears in such a way whatever is told him of the nature of God, that he can conceive of nothing else but some bodily form, however spacious or immense, however lustrous and magnificent, yet still a body: and therefore he holds as proverbs all that is said of the incorporeal and immutable substance of wisdom; not that he accounts them as proverbs, but that his thoughts follow the same direction as those who habitually listen to proverbs without understanding them. But when the spiritual man begins to discern all things, and he himself is discerned by no man, he perceives, even though in this life it still be through a glass and in part, not by any bodily sense, and not by any imaginative conception which catches at or devises the likenesses of all sorts of bodies, but by the clearest understanding of the mind, that God is not material, but spiritual: in such a way does the Son show us openly of the Father, that He, who thus shows, is also Himself seen to be of the same substance. And then it is that those who ask, ask in His name; for in the sound of that name they understand nothing else than what the reality is that is called by that name, and harbor not, in vanity or infirmity of mind, the fiction of the Father being in one place, and the Son in another, standing before the Father and making request in our behalf, with the material substances of both occupying each its own place, and the Word pleading verbally for us with Him whose Word He is, while a definite space interposes between the mouth of the speaker and the ears of the hearer; and other such absurdities which those who are natural, and at the same time carnal, fabricate for themselves in their hearts. For any such thing, suggested by the experience of bodily habits, as occurs to spiritual men when thinking of God, they deny and reject, and drive away, like troublesome insects, from the eyes of their mind; and resign themselves to the purity of that light by whose testimony and judgment they prove these bodily images that thrust themselves on their inward vision to be altogether false. These are able to a certain extent to think of our Lord Jesus Christ, in respect of His manhood, as addressing the Father on our behalf; but in respect to His Godhead, as hearing [and answering] us along with the Father. And this I am of opinion that He indicated, when He said, And I say not that I will pray the Father for you. But the intuitive perception of this, how it is that the Son asks not the Father, but that Father and Son alike listen to those who ask, is a height that can be reached only by the spiritual eye of the mind." http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1701102.htm "1. I have learned, not only by your letter, but also by the statements of the person who brought it to me, that you earnestly solicit a letter from me, believing that you may derive from it very great consolation. What you may gain from my letter it is for yourself to judge; I at least felt that I should neither refuse nor delay compliance with your request. May your own faith and hope comfort you, and that love which is shed abroad in the hearts of the pious by the Holy Ghost, Romans 5:5 whereof we have now a portion as an earnest of the whole, in order that we may learn to desire its consummate fullness. For you ought not to consider yourself desolate while you have Christ dwelling in your heart by faith; nor ought you to sorrow as those heathens who have no hope, seeing that in regard to those friends, who are not lost, but only called earlier than ourselves to the country whither we shall follow them, we have hope, resting on a most sure promise, that from this life we shall pass into that other life, in which they shall be to us more beloved as they shall be better known, and in which our pleasure in loving them shall not be alloyed by any fear of separation." http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1102092.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted March 14, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,090 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 501 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3402.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted March 14, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2020 " Scott: First, let me assure you that we are Christians. My belief in Jesus Christ has brought me to your door this morning. After all, he is the One who commands his followers to preach. But may I ask, just what do you mean by “holy ghost”?" Jesus actually said, "Go not from house to house," . . . annoying people unless invited. Luke 10:7, And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. GO not from house to house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted March 14, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,090 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 501 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 "GO not from house to house. " I never noticed that before, that's new to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted March 14, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,090 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 501 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 The argument I am trying to develop in this thread is simple. Christians in the Bible are to be indelt with the Holy Spirit. As Historical Christians we are indelt with the Holy Spirit. Are Jehovah's Witnesses by their own word indelt with the Holy Spirit? If not, someone is teaching them about "Another Holy Spirit" or about another "Spirit of Christ". This should be done by comparing their Bible with ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted March 14, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,090 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 501 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 The posting of their material was to show their view of being indwelt with the Holy Spirit. Note in their bible, they put Holy Spirit in lower case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted March 14, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,090 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 501 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 Cor. vi. 19 "19. What! Do YOU not know that the body of YOU people is [the] temple of the holy spirit within YOU, which YOU have from God? Also, YOU do not belong to yourselves," above is from their bible, how do they understand the text to mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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