enoob57 Posted August 18, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,370 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,552 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted August 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Faithwilldo said: God does not lie but Satan does because God made him to be a liar. Satan is a tool for evil created by God to serve a function in God's plan of producing children of God. Clearly~ God’s witness of His work and your witness differs: Ezekiel 28:14-15 (KJV) [14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. [15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithwilldo Posted August 18, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 168 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/20/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/31/1961 Share Posted August 18, 2020 10 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: The Lord told us not to be carnal (Matt 5:28). Do you know something he doesn't? Here is the verse you mentioned: Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. This verse doesn't say anything about "not being carnal". Christ is telling us that not only can our actions be sinful but also our thoughts. After all, our thoughts are what lead us to sinful actions. Basically He is pointing out our need to be changed from "within". Eve, BEFORE she ever sinned, had the carnal thoughts of lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and pride of life. She was carnal BEFORE she ever sinned. 1Joh 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food (lust of the flesh), and that it was pleasant to the eyes (lust of the eyes), and a tree to be desired to make one wise (pride of life), she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithwilldo Posted August 18, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 168 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/20/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/31/1961 Share Posted August 18, 2020 10 hours ago, enoob57 said: Clearly~ God’s witness of His work and your witness differs: Ezekiel 28:14-15 (KJV) [14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. [15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. The Scriptures say that God's hand formed the "crooked serpent," God "created the destroyer to destroy," "Satan was a murder from the beginning," "Satan was a liar from the beginning," etc. Satan was never "perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created" BECAUSE he was liar & murderer from the BEGINNING and he was created by God for the purpose of destroying mankind. If Ezekiel is speaking of Satan and not the King of Tyrus, then these statements that are clearly about Satan cannot be true. Ezekiel is speaking of a man and not Satan. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted August 18, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,370 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,552 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted August 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Faithwilldo said: The Scriptures say that God's hand formed the "crooked serpent," God "created the destroyer to destroy," "Satan was a murder from the beginning," "Satan was a liar from the beginning," etc. Satan was never "perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created" BECAUSE he was liar & murderer from the BEGINNING and he was created by God for the purpose of destroying mankind. If Ezekiel is speaking of Satan and not the King of Tyrus, then these statements that are clearly about Satan cannot be true. Ezekiel is speaking of a man and not Satan. Joe Let’s get down to this Scripturally shall we: Genesis 2:1-3 (KJV) [1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. This statement given to Moses by God uniquely seals the fact that everything that is made both in heaven and in earth was sanctified by God ... Now to be right in this you are saying God sanctifies sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted August 18, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.94 Reputation: 7,798 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, enoob57 said: Clearly~ God’s witness of His work and your witness differs: Ezekiel 28:14-15 (KJV) [14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. [15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. That is correct. The NACASH as mentioned in Gen 3 is never called 'satan'. haSatan is mentioned a few times and just means deceiver or opposer. It is NEVER used as a proper noun in the Tanakh. If we study the NACASH we might find out the nature of this anointed cherub as a throne guardian that was cast down to erets (the earth or underworld). Poor translations have obscured these facts. In the Divine Council, God said to the rest of the sons of God, 'let us make man in our image'. So He did and Job says the sons of God shouted for joy at His creation. However, there was one being (the Nacash) that did not want to serve mankind, so he rebelled and sought the destruction of the human race. The rest of the story is in Gen 3 and Gen 6 and Gen 11. Edited August 18, 2020 by Justin Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWalker Posted August 18, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 441 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/20/1970 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Thanks for pointing that out, and one thing i have heard mentioned by some scholars is that the "King of Tyre" was only a name given to Lucifer? Either way one thing i do know for certain is that no earthly king is an "anointed cherub" or one who was "perfect in thy ways...". But think someone here just insists on playing those "mind games" like the John Lennon song...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted August 18, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Faithwilldo said: Here is the verse you mentioned: Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. This verse doesn't say anything about "not being carnal". Christ is telling us that not only can our actions be sinful but also our thoughts. After all, our thoughts are what lead us to sinful actions. Basically He is pointing out our need to be changed from "within". Eve, BEFORE she ever sinned, had the carnal thoughts of lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and pride of life. She was carnal BEFORE she ever sinned. 1Joh 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food (lust of the flesh), and that it was pleasant to the eyes (lust of the eyes), and a tree to be desired to make one wise (pride of life), she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Joe We are taught to resist temptation (James 4:7) as opposed to giving in to temptation and blaming the Lord for what we've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithwilldo Posted August 18, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 168 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/20/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/31/1961 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, enoob57 said: Let’s get down to this Scripturally shall we: Genesis 2:1-3 (KJV) [1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. This statement given to Moses by God uniquely seals the fact that everything that is made both in heaven and in earth was sanctified by God ... Now to be right in this you are saying God sanctifies sin? The verse only says that the seventh day was sanctified. Under the Law of Moses the seventh day became the Sabbath day in which man too was to rest from their work. You are making a huge assumption that the sanctification of the seventh day applies to the work of the first six days. Scripture does not support this assumption. What scripture does says about God's work during the six days is that it was very good: Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. So what was it good for?? It was good for producing God's offspring who will learn good and evil. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithwilldo Posted August 18, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 168 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/20/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/31/1961 Share Posted August 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: We are taught to resist temptation (James 4:7) as opposed to giving in to temptation and blaming the Lord for what we've done. We are taught to resist temptation but scripture says that God is responsible for us being tempted and for us giving into temptation. He made us carnal and weak on purpose. The Law of Moses was given to us so that we can become aware of our sinful state. From that knowledge, God leads us to Christ who is the only one who can change us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted August 18, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted August 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Faithwilldo said: We are taught to resist temptation but scripture says that God is responsible for us being tempted and for us giving into temptation. He made us carnal and weak on purpose. The Law of Moses was given to us so that we can become aware of our sinful state. From that knowledge, God leads us to Christ who is the only one who can change us. If you want to sin, go ahead and sin. It's no skin off my teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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