The Barbarian Posted December 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2020 10 hours ago, kingdombrat said: I found it fascinating when Bill Clinton presented the Medal of Science to Dr. Francis Collins for mapping DNA, atheists like Anthony Flew and scientists were praising God because DNA proved {Intelligent Design}. The following year God was no longer in the picture and Science skirted back to "Evolution." Flew is actually a deist. And Collins is a Christian who accepts the fact of evolution. Indeed, there are some rational IDers who are not creationists, who also accept the fact of evolution. Would you like to hear about some of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2020 Remember, Darwinian evolution includes microevolution (variation within a species) and macroevolution (evolution of new species). In fact, in the case of ring species, the extinction of a local population of the species could retroactively turn microevolution into macroevolution. Would you like to see why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 16, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,387 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,563 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/13/2020 at 3:26 PM, Tristen said: 'theistic evolutionists' Theism is God’s Word as written... evolutionist is empiricism as no god exists... Thus putting them together is an oxymoron... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted December 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2020 The Bible is clear: God is the Creator. Any interpretation of science that attempts to remove God from involvement with origins is incompatible with Scripture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted December 16, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/14/2020 at 6:48 PM, The Barbarian said: They've got it confused. Evolution is an observed phenomenon. There is a theory that explains it. Remember, evolution is "a change in allele frequency in a population over time. "Evolution theory attempts to explain the formation of the universe, the Earth and life but it fails, because it cannot explain the genesis of matter, energy or life." -- Joseph Farah I have really never been able to say it as consisely as Joseph did, but then he is a professional writer. He is exactly right. As for observations of evolution, we have only seen microevolution. Macroevolution has not been seen, despite Lensky's continuing efforts. There have been a lot of mistakes about microevolution being claimed as macroevolution, though. I will give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted December 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.90 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Sparks said: "Evolution theory attempts to explain the formation of the universe, the Earth and life but it fails, because it cannot explain the genesis of matter, energy or life." -- Joseph Farah What theory is this? Biological evolution makes no comment on the formation of the universe or the earth. It does not even pretend to explain those things. 1 hour ago, Sparks said: I have really never been able to say it as consisely as Joseph did, but then he is a professional writer. He is exactly right. That's good, because he's concisely conflating all sorts of things here. He may be a professional writer, but that does not mean he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted December 16, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 minute ago, teddyv said: What theory is this? Biological evolution makes no comment on the formation of the universe or the earth. It does not even pretend to explain those things. There are six types of evolution. Why not look them up? Then apply them to what Joseph said, and to what evolution attempts to explain. 2 minutes ago, teddyv said: That's good, because he's concisely conflating all sorts of things here. He may be a professional writer, but that does not mean he's right. He is entirely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2020 They've got it confused. Evolution is an observed phenomenon. There is a theory that explains it. Remember, evolution is "a change in allele frequency in a population over time. 1 hour ago, Sparks said: "Evolution theory attempts to explain the formation of the universe, the Earth and life but it fails, because it cannot explain the genesis of matter, energy or life." -- Joseph Farah Too bad for Joe, then. He has a degree in "communications." So he can be excused for not knowing what he's talking about. Biological evolution is about the way living populations change over time. Nothing else. 1 hour ago, Sparks said: I have really never been able to say it as consisely as Joseph did, but then he is a professional writer. He is exactly right. You would think a "professional writer" would have the sense to at least go and learn something of what he intends to write about. 1 hour ago, Sparks said: As for observations of evolution, we have only seen microevolution. Macroevolution has not been seen, despite Lensky's continuing efforts. Sorry, you're wrong. Maybe it would be good to find out what the scientific definitions of those terms are... Microevolution noun Biology. evolutionary change involving the gradual accumulation of mutations leading to new varieties within a species. minor evolutionary change observed over a short period of time. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/microevolution Macroevolution noun Biology. major evolutionary transition from one type of organism to another occurring at the level of the species and higher taxa. ibid Formerly, most YE creationists accepted the scientific terms as they are. Then as one example of speciation after another accumulated, they quickly redefined "macroevolution" to "an evolution that takes too long to be observed in a lifetime." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, Sparks said: There are six types of evolution. Why not look them up? Then apply them to what Joseph said, and to what evolution attempts to explain. The word means "change" so way more than 6 types. If this confuses anyone, you might want to just use Darwin's term: "descent with modification." There are some professional creationists who have a dishonest motive for conflating the terms, but most creationists really don't know what biological evolution is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2020 3 hours ago, missmuffet said: The Bible is clear: God is the Creator. Any interpretation of science that attempts to remove God from involvement with origins is incompatible with Scripture. Well said. Evolutionary theory, like all scientific theories, does not attempt to remove God from involvement with origins. Darwin, for example, assumed God created the first living things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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