popsthebuilder Posted February 8, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 299 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/13/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, JohnD said: You are showing how desperate you are to believe something other than what the Word of God says. Is there a scripture that states the Spirit of God is the Father? Or the Father is the Holy Spirit? Or even the Father and the Spirit are one? Again... Not only do the scriptures indicate distinction between the individuals (the Father and the Holy Spirit) by indicating one sent the other... the Spirit must also search the depths of God (1 Corinthians 2:10). ← if one and the same person / individual as you believe then you are making God out to be schizophrenic. You must have missed all the scripture i used to support my claim. And thinking three persons live inside one person is what makes GOD out to be a schizophrenic. You need to understand that GOD isn't three people or persons. Then you might begin to stop basing what is possible for GOD based on what is possible for creation. Try studying within context as opposed to removing singular verses from context in order to attempt to support the traditions of man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted February 8, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,062 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted February 8, 2021 UNDERSTANDING THE SPIRIT ISAIAH 11:1 and there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of jesse and a branch shall grow out of his roots --11:2--AND THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD SHALL REST UPON HIM --THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING--THE SPIRIT OF COUNSEL AND MIGHT--THE SPIRIT OF KNOWLEDGE AND OF THE FEAR OF THE LORD ISAIAH 30:1 woe to the rebellious children saith THE LORD that take counsel but --BUT NOT OF ME--and that cover with a covering --BUT NOT OF MY SPIRIT-- that they may add sin to sin JOHN 1:32 and john bare record saying I saw the spirit descending from heaven like a dove and it abode upon HIM --1:33-- and I knew him not but HE that sent me to baptize with water the same said unto me upon whom thou shalt see the spirit descending and remaining on HIM --THE SAME IS HE WHICH BAPTIZETH WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT JOHN 3:5 JESUS ANSWERED VERILY VERILY I SAY UNTO THEE EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD 1 PETER 1:22 SEEING YOU HAVE PURIFIED YOUR SOULS IN OBEYING THE TRUTH THROUGH THE SPIRIT UNTO UNFEIGNED LOVE OF THE BRETHREN SEE THAT YOU LOVE ONE ANOTHER WITH A PURE HEART FERVENTLY ************************************************ 1 PETER 1:24 BEING BORN AGAIN NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE ---BY THE WORD OF GOD--- WHICH LIVETH AND ABIDETH FOR EVER JOHN 6:63 IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT QUICKENETH --THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING -- THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE ************************************************ 1 CORINTHIANS 10:1 moreover brethren I would not that you be ignorant how that all our fathers were under the cloud and all passed through the sea --10:2-- and were baptized unto moses in the cloud and the sea --10:3-- and did all eat the same spiritual meat --10:4-- AND DID ALL DRINK THE SAME SPIRITUAL DRINK FOR THEY DRANK OF THAT SPIRITUAL ROCK THAT FOLLOWED THEM -----AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST----- ROMANS 8:11 but if the spirit of HIM that raised up JESUS from the dead dwell in you HE that raised up CHRIST from the dead shall also --QUICKEN-- your mortal bodies by HIS spirit that dwelleth in you ACTS 13:29 and when they had fulfilled all that was written of HIM they took HIM down from the tree and laid HIM in a sepulchre --13:30-- BUT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD PSALM 119:107 I AM AFFLICTED VERY MUCH QUICKEN ME O LORD ACCORDING UNTO THY WORD JOHN 6:63 IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT QUICKENETH THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE MATTHEW 10:19 BUT WHEN THEY DELIVER YOU UP TAKE NO THOUGHT HOW OR WHAT YOU SHALL SPEAK FOR IT SHALL BE GIVEN YOU IN THAT SAME HOUR WHAT YOU SHALL SPEAK --10:20-- FOR IT IS NOT YOU THAT SPEAK BUT THE SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER WHICH SPEAKETH IN YOU 2 CORINTHIANS 5:5 NOW HE THAT HATH WROUGHT US FOR THE SELFSAME THING IS GOD WHO ALSO HATH GIVEN US THE EARNEST OF THE SPIRIT PSALM 119:154 PLEAD MY CAUSE AND DELIVER ME QUICKEN ME ACCORDING TO THY WORD LUKE 11:13 IF YOU THEN BEING EVIL KNOW HOW TO GIVE GOOD GIFTS UNTO YOUR CHILDREN HOW MUCH MORE SHALL YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER GIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THEM ----THAT ASK HIM---- LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted February 8, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2021 6 hours ago, JohnD said: Because of your inability to accept what the Bible actually states, you not only do not know God but you do not know in the Godhead who did what. Rather it is you that cannot read the scriptures that reveal the two persons of the Godhead - the Father and the Son - with the Holy Spirit being the power of God working in this world through the Son > creation, judgement, the Garden, the Patriarchs, Israel, Moses and the Law, the prophets, the gospel ministry, and finally the Spirit-filled church > the body of Christ. God the Son has come into the world in numerous visible forms to interact with His creation, while God the Father would appear to remain in the Heavens and interact with the world through the Son (Yahweh) by his Spirit. As Christians we pray to our Father in Heaven and to Christ Jesus, but we do not pray to the Holy Spirit, nor ask for the Holy Spirit to intercede for us. John 4:23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. Ephesians 2:18 For through him [Jesus] we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted February 8, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, JohnD said: Acts 13:2 (NASB95) 2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” "for Me" refers to Jesus not for the Holy Spirit Acts 9:15 But the Lord [Jesus]said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. 16 For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.” Christians are disciples of Christ Jesus and the gospel not disciples of the Holy Spirit, not praying to the Holy Spirit. But some of us are imbued with the power and truth of the Holy Spirit to be disciples unto God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted February 8, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) Edited February 10, 2021 by Waggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popsthebuilder Posted February 9, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 299 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/13/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, JohnD said: Sigh. Once again: Acts 13:2 (NASB95) 2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Yet you don't think the Holy Spirit of GOD is GOD, or the Spirit of GOD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 9, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,657 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 minute ago, popsthebuilder said: Yet you don't think the Holy Spirit of GOD is GOD, or the Spirit of GOD? I never said the Holy Spirit is not God. He is most certainly God. In fact I point this out often citing Acts 5:3-4. Acts 5:3–4 (NASB95) 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4 “While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popsthebuilder Posted February 10, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 299 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/13/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2021 On 2/8/2021 at 6:20 PM, JohnD said: I never said the Holy Spirit is not God. He is most certainly God. In fact I point this out often citing Acts 5:3-4. Acts 5:3–4 (NASB95) 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4 “While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” I stand corrected. You implied that the Holy Spirit of GOD is not the Spirit of GOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 10, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,657 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2021 Once again, for those who are not blinded by their extrabiblical beliefs that are untrue which they impose upon scripture. There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4 / Isaiah 43:10-11 / Isaiah 45:2 / Isaiah 46:9 / Joel 2:27 / 1 Timothy 2:5 / James 2:19). John 1:1–2 (NASB95) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. 2 He was in the beginning WITH God. 1 John 1:1–2 (NASB95) 1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was WITH the Father and was manifested to us— Genesis 1:1–2 (NASB95) 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. The Spirit of God is not the Father since the Father SENT him into the world: John 14:26 (NASB95) 26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. The Holy Spirit is an Individual (a person) with individuality and personality. He can be lied to (Acts 5:3-4). ← notice this passage claims the Holy Spirit is God. He can make choices, speech, and commands (Acts 13:2). He wrote the Bible (2 Peter 1:21). ← and leads us to all truth (John 16:13) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popsthebuilder Posted February 10, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 299 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/13/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, JohnD said: Once again, for those who are not blinded by their extrabiblical beliefs that are untrue which they impose upon scripture. There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4 / Isaiah 43:10-11 / Isaiah 45:2 / Isaiah 46:9 / Joel 2:27 / 1 Timothy 2:5 / James 2:19). John 1:1–2 (NASB95) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. 2 He was in the beginning WITH God. 1 John 1:1–2 (NASB95) 1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was WITH the Father and was manifested to us— Genesis 1:1–2 (NASB95) 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. The Spirit of God is not the Father since the Father SENT him into the world: John 14:26 (NASB95) 26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. The Holy Spirit is an Individual (a person) with individuality and personality. He can be lied to (Acts 5:3-4). ← notice this passage claims the Holy Spirit is God. He can make choices, speech, and commands (Acts 13:2). He wrote the Bible (2 Peter 1:21). ← and leads us to all truth (John 16:13) Once again; you pretend as if GOD isn't capable of sending HIS Spirit. Need scriptural support for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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