If a Muslim asked a Christain

[Completed Israelite]

If a Muslim wanted to Believe in Jesus as Messiah, and continue practising Islam, that can be done, what's to stop him? He's a individual human, and humans twist the rules all the time. In Islam they are told to Listen to all Jesus says, but they believe that there is a lost Gospel actually written by Yeshua, that no body has found yet....If a rogue Muslim decided to Believe the claim of Yeshua's(Jesus) Messiahship and continue to practise Islam, Ramadan etc etc. They can surely do that.

A Buddhist could do the same thing, continue in Buddhism practises and seriously believe that God sent His chosen one to die for the sins of humanity. While never picking up a Bible. 

The answer to me is a obivious one, can they continue in these practises of other religions, while truly Beliving Messiah died for Thier sins and still partake in the covenant? The Answer is No, for a very simple reason, see in Jerimiaha 31....The New covenant was made for JUDAH and Israel ONLY.

And what this seems to prove, is Beliving Jesus died for our sins alone, does not make them grafted into Israel and Judah. To partake in the covenant you MUST be grafted into Israel,bc thats the only group that allowed to partake in covenant...this is a conversion process. You cant be in union with Israel and practice islam, or Buddhism etc. You have to practise the Biblical practises, after acceptance of the Jewish Messiah. 

And I sadly wander this same question about Mainstream Christanity, just bc they Believe in the Jewish Messiah, does that make them apart of the covenant? Does that alone graft them into Israel and Judah? And the Answer seems to be no. They too practise a religion outside of Scripture, they have Thier own Holy day, they believe against Gods law, some even believe "they replaced Israel" all these things would seem to separate them from Gods Israel. And actually Not a apart of the new covenant even tho they believe they are, as one of the major signs of the New covenant is to have Torah wrote upon the Heart of Israel and Judah....believing it to be abolished, is def not the New covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31, which is made only for Judah and Israel. 

I think the majority of Christains still need to graft in. 

The only religion in the world who does not have to convert to anything for salvation is Judaisim...they simply just have to accept the sacrifice God provided.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Completed Israelite

[Starise]

1 hour ago, Completed Israelite said:

If a Muslim wanted to Believe in Jesus as Messiah, and continue practising Islam, that can be done, what's to stop him?

Practicing Islam means you don't focus on Christ or follow Him fully, that is unless you are only pretending to be Muslim. This is a contradiction in belief. How can a man believe two opposite things? Makes no sense. Religion is more than belief it is commitment.

1 hour ago, Completed Israelite said:

The answer to me is a obivious one, can they continue in these practises of other religions, while truly Beliving Messiah died for Thier sins and still partake in the covenant? The Answer is No, for a very simple reason, see in Jerimiaha 31....The New covenant was made for JUDAH and Israel ONLY.

I can only understand the last part of this. You seem to agree with my statements above in saying these people who would  attempt to follow Jesus and another false religion can't do it, then you imply only Jews can have access to the "covenant". The two things are two different subjects. How do you put the the two together as a concrete thought?

- People who don't follow Jesus fully are not really following Jesus no matter how it looks to others.

-The covenant given to the Jews In Jeremiah holds true, but there have been addendum s in a big way, mainly the New Testament of the Bible. The NT is inclusive not exclusive. The Jews have promises from God, so do the Gentiles who believe as they were instructed to do.

1 hour ago, Completed Israelite said:

And what this seems to prove, is Beliving Jesus died for our sins alone, does not make them grafted into Israel and Judah. To partake in the covenant you MUST be grafted into Israel,bc thats the only group that allowed to partake in covenant...this is a conversion process. You cant be in union with Israel and practice islam, or Buddhism etc. You have to practise the Biblical practises, after acceptance of the Jewish Messiah. 

What are you saying here exactly? We need to maybe more fully define what you think " believing in Jesus" is on a deeper level. 

Here is what the Bible says about it.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Acts 16:31 - And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

Romans 8:28 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Mark 9:23 - Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things [are] possible to him that believeth.

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Mark 16:15-16 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.   (Read More...)

2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Hebrews 11:1-40 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.   (Read More...)

Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

1 hour ago, Completed Israelite said:

nd I sadly wander this same question about Mainstream Christanity, just bc they Believe in the Jewish Messiah, does that make them apart of the covenant? Does that alone graft them into Israel and Judah? And the Answer seems to be no.

Why do you say this? We are all a part of the new body of Christ. What is your definition of Mainstream Christianity? Covenant? God made a plan of salvation for all of us. That is the new and last covenant.

 

1 hour ago, Completed Israelite said:

They too practise a religion outside of Scripture, they have Thier own Holy day, they believe against Gods law, some even believe "they replaced Israel" all these things would seem to separate them from Gods Israel. And actually Not a apart of the new covenant even tho they believe they are, as one of the major signs of the New covenant is to have Torah wrote upon the Heart of Israel and Judah....believing it to be abolished, is def not the New covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31, which is made only for Judah and Israel. 

Some do yes. Is this who you say are mainstream Christianity? There are many true Gentile Christians and many false Gentile Christians. There are many true Israelite Christians and many false Israelite Christians. How can we draw the line with one term, Mainstream Christianity? Mainstream Christianity in the world's eyes is different than Mainstream Christianity in true Christian eyes.

 

1 hour ago, Completed Israelite said:

I think the majority of Christains still need to graft in. 

You have a very poor view of Christians.

1 hour ago, Completed Israelite said:

The only religion in the world who does not have to convert to anything for salvation is Judaisim...they simply just have to accept the sacrifice God provided.

You seem to believe in Christ for our salvation, yet most in Judaism from my limited understanding do not accept the Christ as a part of their religion. Integral to Judaism is the belief that Christ still hasn't come yet? Correct?

Edited January 14, 2021 by Starise

[Completed Israelite]

4 minutes ago, Starise said:

Practicing Islam means you don't focus on Christ or follow Him fully, that is unless you are only pretending to be Muslim. This is a contradiction in belief. How can a man believe two opposite things? Makes no sense. Religion is more than belief it is commitment.

I can only understand the last part of this. You seem to agree with my statements above in saying these people who would  attempt to follow Jesus and another false religion can't do it, then you imply only Jews can have access to the "covenant". The two things are two different subjects. How do you the the two together as a concrete thought?

- People who don't follow Jesus fully are not really following Jesus no matter how it looks to others.

-The covenant given to the Jews In Jeremiah holds true, but there have been addendum s in a big way, mainly the New Testament of the Bible. The NT is inclusive not exclusive. The Jews have promises from God, so do the Gentiles who believe as they were instructed to do.

What are you saying here exactly? We need to maybe more fully define what you think " believing in Jesus" is on a deeper level. 

Here is what the Bible says about it.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Acts 16:31 - And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

Romans 8:28 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Mark 9:23 - Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things [are] possible to him that believeth.

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Mark 16:15-16 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.   (Read More...)

2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Hebrews 11:1-40 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.   (Read More...)

Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Why do you say this? We are all a part of the new body of Christ. What is your definition of Mainstream Christianity? Covenant? God made a plan of salvation for all of us. That is the new and last covenant.

 

Some do yes. Is this who you say are mainstream Christianity? There are many true Gentile Christians and many false Gentile Christians. There are many true Israelite Christians and many false Israelite Christians. How can we draw the line with one term, Mainstream Christianity? Mainstream Christianity in the world's eyes is different than Mainstream Christianity in true Christian eyes.

 

You have a very poor view of Christians.

You seem to believe in Christ for our salvation, yet most in Judaism from my limited understanding do not accept the Christ as a part of their religion. Integral to Judaism is the belief that Christ still hasn't come yet? Correct?

Oh yes, Messiah is the only way to gain eternal life without doubt, the Newer covenant is all about salvation, redemption, He will remember our sins no more, put a new spirit inside us, and Write His Torah upon our Hearts, most ppl only think of Commandments when they hear "Torah", but it includes Jacob and ESAU, Abraham, issac, Noah, all these stories/Prophecys are to be be wrote upon our heart in the New covenant, along with all His commandments, Torah at it's root really means instruction. It's Gods instruction for all who claim His name.(that's to be wrote on the Heart in New covenant) 

And No I dont have a poor view of Christains, I just see what they all believe and how different it is than the Acual covenant, God spoke of in Jerimiah. And it really has set on my heart, all the verses coming together from start to finish, majority of Christains are in danger, of not being apart of the Covenant. 

And if you have taken up the Covenant you are NO LONGER Gentile, you are a Isarelite, a Jew, what happend at the Holocaust has now happend to YOUR people. 

You can call yourself by the title of Christain if you like(originally just meant Messianic), but you'd be the Christain sect of Judaisim.(If your in covenant) 

It seems to me tho if your a pratictioner of Christan-ITY, with Holy days that are not of God of Israel, believing you replaced Israel, instead of joining them, Beliving Torah is abolished, etc.

Well then at that point your of a totally different religion than that of The Jewish Messiah,and the Scripture... He was and is a Jew, that don't just mean a bloodline. His Home is not in Christian-ity, His Home is in Judaisim. Just as Joseph too became a great ruler and was loved and adored by the Egyptians, and His Brothers did not even recognize Him! And then he revealed himself, and said I AM JOSEPH,(A JEW) the Egyptians(in this case Christains) was just as shocked to find out who he actually was as His own brothers were! They didn't recognize Him, bc he was dressed as a Egyption, like wise Yeshua all these years has been a ruler in a forien land, and bc of Him being Clothed in the Roman attire of Christanity, His brothers(the jews) can't even recognize Him! But now He is yelling out I AM JOSPEH! And his brothers are recognizing him more than ever in in the last 1800 years, this Torah prophecy goes on to say how he saved his whole family, and His Brothers said they was now ready to serve Him! Wow that's just a amazing word to me. You can see were Paul got his revelation from, when he said Israel was Blind IN part(speaking of Jacob as he blessed Joseph sons from the forien land! And his eyes were "dim") and as Paul spoke of the fullness of the Gentiles(Ephraim's blessing, Jacob/Israel said Epharim would be the fullness of the Gentiles) then all Israel will be saved, just as Joseph saved all of Israel from the famine. 

Lol sorry I get excited about that stuff haha.

When your talking about all those verses showing Belief, your only showing a partial view, most all rough street people belive in Jesus, but they dont practise at all. That's what I was trying to get across simply believing isn't enough, you can be Buddhist and say yea I believe in Jesus, and that He died for our sins, but I'm gonna continue with Buddhism. Every man has to repent, turn from sin, and begin to practise the Bible to best Thier ability at that time. 1st John 3.4 "And sin IS The breaking of Torah"

As far as covenants go, they are all eternal(until this heaven and earth pass away) there is 5 covenants in Total, and none over writes the other...they stack like a pyramid.

Adamic covenant-for man to have dominion over the earth, be fruitful and multiply etc. 

Noahic covenant-never again end all life on earth With a flood, Rainbow.

Abrahamic covenant- circumsion of Himself and all those whose apart of His house.

Mosaic covenant- written instruction(Torah) for Anyone who claims Him as Thier God, and all the Blessings tied to it for obeying like no plagues will come upon you etc.

And then the Final covenant- where He will Write His Torah upon our Hearts, give us a new spirit, remember our sins no more, this covenant is all about Salvation and redemption, eternal life, Thru His Messiah, Yeshua(Jesus).

But as Messiah makes Him self known as a Jew, He's going to flee back Home, and He's going to take those Legit Christains with him, those I believe won't be pharisaic, and break the commandments of God for the traditions of the elders. As he said your rightouness MUST surpass thiers. And those who put Scripture over doctrine will give up Thier culture, traditions and false Holy days for Hashem and His Messiah. 

[missmuffet]

14 hours ago, Completed Israelite said:

If a Muslim asked a Christain, I want to accept Jesus as Messiah,Lord and savior. But I don't want to stop being Muslim, I still believe Muhammad was a great prophet, and the Koran is the final word from God, can I still take part in the New covenant? 

What would you reply?

You can not have it both ways. 

[Completed Israelite]

1 minute ago, missmuffet said:

You can not have it both ways. 

When it comes to simply Beliving you can. Like the old saying, "the devil believes" haha. 

[Starise]

30 minutes ago, Completed Israelite said:

Oh yes, Messiah is the only way to gain eternal life without doubt, the Newer covenant is all about salvation, redemption, He will remember our sins no more, put a new spirit inside us, and Write His Torah upon our Hearts, most ppl only think of Commandments when they hear "Torah", but it includes Jacob and ESAU, Abraham, issac, Noah, all these stories/Prophecys are to be be wrote upon our heart in the New covenant, along with all His commandments, Torah at it's root really means instruction. It's Gods instruction for all who claim His name.(that's to be wrote on the Heart in New covenant) 

And No I dont have a poor view of Christains, I just see what they all believe and how different it is than the Acual covenant, God spoke of in Jerimiah. And it really has set on my heart, all the verses coming together from start to finish, majority of Christains are in danger, of not being apart of the Covenant. 

And if you have taken up the Covenant you are NO LONGER Gentile, you are a Isarelite, a Jew, what happend at the Holocaust has now happend to YOUR people. 

You can call yourself by the title of Christain if you like(originally just meant Messianic), but you'd be the Christain sect of Judaisim.(If your in covenant) 

It seems to me tho if your a pratictioner of Christan-ITY, with Holy days that are not of God of Israel, believing you replaced Israel, instead of joining them, Beliving Torah is abolished, etc.

Well then at that point your of a totally different religion than that of The Jewish Messiah,and the Scripture... He was and is a Jew, that don't just mean a bloodline. His Home is not in Christian-ity, His Home is in Judaisim. Just as Joseph too became a great ruler and was loved and adored by the Egyptians, and His Brothers did not even recognize Him! And then he revealed himself, and said I AM JOSEPH,(A JEW) the Egyptians(in this case Christains) was just as shocked to find out who he actually was as His own brothers were! They didn't recognize Him, bc he was dressed as a Egyption, like wise Yeshua all these years has been a ruler in a forien land, and bc of Him being Clothed in the Roman attire of Christanity, His brothers(the jews) can't even recognize Him! But now He is yelling out I AM JOSPEH! And his brothers are recognizing him more than ever in in the last 1800 years, this Torah prophecy goes on to say how he saved his whole family, and His Brothers said they was now ready to serve Him! Wow that's just a amazing word to me. You can see were Paul got his revelation from, when he said Israel was Blind IN part(speaking of Jacob as he blessed Joseph sons from the forien land! And his eyes were "dim") and as Paul spoke of the fullness of the Gentiles(Ephraim's blessing, Jacob/Israel said Epharim would be the fullness of the Gentiles) then all Israel will be saved, just as Joseph saved all of Israel from the famine. 

Lol sorry I get excited about that stuff haha.

When your talking about all those verses showing Belief, your only showing a partial view, most all rough street people belive in Jesus, but they dont practise at all. That's what I was trying to get across simply believing isn't enough, you can be Buddhist and say yea I believe in Jesus, and that He died for our sins, but I'm gonna continue with Buddhism. Every man has to repent, turn from sin, and begin to practise the Bible to best Thier ability at that time. 1st John 3.4 "And sin IS The breaking of Torah"

As far as covenants go, they are all eternal(until this heaven and earth pass away) there is 5 covenants in Total, and none over writes the other...they stack like a pyramid.

Adamic covenant-for man to have dominion over the earth, be fruitful and multiply etc. 

Noahic covenant-never again end all life on earth With a flood, Rainbow.

Abrahamic covenant- circumsion of Himself and all those whose apart of His house.

Mosaic covenant- written instruction(Torah) for Anyone who claims Him as Thier God, and all the Blessings tied to it for obeying like no plagues will come upon you etc.

And then the Final covenant- where He will Write His Torah upon our Hearts, give us a new spirit, remember our sins no more, this covenant is all about Salvation and redemption, eternal life, Thru His Messiah, Yeshua(Jesus).

But as Messiah makes Him self known as a Jew, He's going to flee back Home, and He's going to take those Legit Christains with him, those I believe won't be pharisaic, and break the commandments of God for the traditions of the elders. As he said your rightouness MUST surpass thiers. And those who put Scripture over doctrine will give up Thier culture, traditions and false Holy days for Hashem and His Messiah. 

I think I see your points now. Yes we have gone over what "believing" here means multiple times in the short time I've been here.

Believing involves a real turning from sin and a commitment we agree.

You see this apparently with a strong Jewish background. Your perspective is unique to me as someone never raised in that background. I can see where you would see a secularization of Christianity in the western world. I think your interpretation of the mainstream Christianity would include that they worship on Sunday instead of saturday. None of the holidays like Christmas or Easter were original holidays. I am also not really for these holidays as legitimate days as prescribed by the so called "church".

Although many of the original requirements such as making the daily sacrifice were abolished. The original intent of the OT actions as I understand was to show what was to come.I had a Jewish friend who was so against Jesus and called Him illegitimate. You could no way get through to that man. He is in a strict religious system. His livlihood depends on his family ties. If he leaves it he looses everything. And you just could not carry on a conversation with him about Jesus at all.

[Completed Israelite]

49 minutes ago, Starise said:

Although many of the original requirements such as making the daily sacrifice were abolished.

When you think of a sacrifice you should relate that to, your version of having a cook out, but of course only with clean animals! Haha. 

But no Messiah said, Not even THE LEAST commandment will pass from Torah until heaven and earth pass away, in Judaisim we actually know what the least commandment of Torah is!

And it's to shew a mother bird away from the nest before you take her eggs for consumption, as we see God even cares about the feelings of a mother hen. Halleluyah.

The reason we(me and you lol) don't give sacrifices is because, it's a Law in Torah to never give sacrifices in the open field, and only in the Temple. 

When Yeshua returns as Messiah son of David(King of Kings, came first time as Messiah son of Yosef-suffering servant) then Sacrifices will be brought back, bc He will rule from Juersalem, the Temple will obviously return at that time, during the 1000 years of peace on earth. Because :Zech, 14:16 "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations/Gentiles which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of Sukkot.

 

The Festival of Tabernacles(Sukkot)

³³ The Lord said to Moses, ³⁴ “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the fifteenth day of the seventh month the Lord’s Festival of Tabernacles begins, and it lasts for seven days. ³⁵ The first day is a sacred assembly; do no regular work. ³⁶ For seven days present food offerings to the Lord, and on the eighth day hold a sacred assembly and present a food offering to the Lord. It is the closing special assembly; do no regular work.

³⁷ (“‘These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies for bringing food offerings to the Lord—the burnt offerings and grain offerings, sacrifices and drink offerings required for each day. ³⁸ These offerings are in addition to those for the Lord’s Sabbaths and^[e] in addition to your gifts and whatever you have vowed and all the freewill offerings you give to the Lord.)

³⁹ “‘So beginning with the fifteenth day of the seventh month, after you have gathered the crops of the land, celebrate the festival to the Lord for seven days; the first day is a day of sabbath rest, and the eighth day also is a day of sabbath rest. ⁴⁰ On the first day you are to take branches from luxuriant trees—from palms, willows and other leafy trees—and rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days. ⁴¹ Celebrate this as a festival to the Lord for seven days each year. This is to be a eternal Decree for the generations to come; celebrate it in the seventh month.  Live in temporary shelters for seven days: All native-born Israelites are to live in such shelters so your descendants will know that I had the Israelites live in temporary shelters when I brought them out of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.’”

so when Messiah returns haha were actually going to be camping and cooking out with Him! 

we can still keep the feast of Sukkot to the best of our ability to this day without the temple... by simply you and your family going and camping out for a week in Honour of Him and His Feast. 

and Yes you have to understand in the Jewish mind now since Jesus became clothed in Chrisanity(people who persecuted the jews) He has became Clothed as a ESAU all these years to the Jewish people, but once they realize he has the Voice of Jacob(a Jew) they become in amazement and realize there's nothing more Jewish than Him.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Completed Israelite

[appy]

Seems like a trick question and teaching to me. Long complicated posts, short.... You mean we must convert and adhere to Judaism dogma, by keeping the ten commandments and all the rituals perfectly; and if so, then and only then, can we receive salvation from Jesus? It sounds like you are implying that there is a need to return to the Mosaic Law as the source of justification. This nullifies the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross.

[Completed Israelite]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

mainstream Christianity would include that they worship on Sunday instead of saturday. None of the holidays like Christmas or Easter were original holidays. I am also not really for these holidays as legitimate days as prescribed by the so called "church".

Yes, its fine to worship on Sunday(it's no different than wed), but not keeping Sabbath deliberitly for any person thats supposed to be in Covenant, is for sure a sin.(Sabbath we are to rest, no work at all, prepare all your food on Friday, and no buying or selling) Along with Keeping non Biblical Holidays, eating unclean meats, any breaking of Torah.. for a beliver in Messiah is a Sin.

And where it gets really dangerous is when our sin becomes Known to us, and we don't repent or turn away from that sin, then it becomes firmly planted, you've actually just went into a state of rebellion, and this is directly connected with the spirit of the Pharisee, who chose the traditions of the elders over the Commandments of God.  Yeshua said "beware of the leaven of the pharisee's(church goers lol)"

People are taught in the western world "it's impossible to keep Torah" what they got in reverse here is it's impossible for any man to keep Torah at the Heart level on his own, anybody can and many do, keep Torah physically all the time, it's not hard, this is why Yeshua went on to say "if you have lusted after a woman in your heart, you HAVE alredy committed adultry with her at heart!" BOOM the New covenant, He is writing Torah on the Heart! Teaching us to take it all to the Heart Level not only the physical, back then and to this day,..you had these guys thinking, "I've never committed adultery(physically)" and Messiah comes and says HOLD UP lol just bc you didn't do it in the flesh, your no better off than if u did bc your over here lusting after these ladies daily.. haha(And what is the punsiment for adultry in Torah?Death, this is why no man is worthy of eternal life, adultry brings death sentance and all men die right.)

And this stuff is being revealed for these last days, it's a major sign of His coming soon!

Everyone needs to start practising Torah best of your ability physically and at the heart!, "line by line, commandment by commandment, a little here a little there"-Isaiah... and give up anything added to it or taken away from it, when they said "you can eat unclean meats now", I can prove all these theories are false. 

Dang once u start seeing the full picture it's a unbelievably beautifully picture of Redemption from The one and ONLY True God. 

 

[Completed Israelite]

1 hour ago, appy said:

Seems like a trick question and teaching to me. Long complicated posts, short.... You mean we must convert and adhere to Judaism dogma, by keeping the ten commandments and all the rituals perfectly; and if so, then and only then, can we receive salvation from Jesus? It sounds like you are implying that there is a need to return to the Mosaic Law as the source of justification. This nullifies the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross.

Lol the Word of God is not a Dogma....

Messiah did not die for you to sin freely. You cant pick the traditions of your elders over the Commandments of God, if you do this your a pharisee.(and your rightousness must surpass thiers)..thier dogma would have been Thier oral Law(same as yours)..which Yeshua taught against bc they sinned by adding to Torah, like the hand washing ritual before they ate bread, recorded in Mathew, they came up to Messiah asked why his disciples don't follow THE TRADITIONS of the elders and wash thier hands b4 they eat bread, he got rough with them and said, why do you break the Commandments of God FOR the traditions of your elders!(do not add to or take away, is what He was speaking of)

If your rebelling against God, and willingly breaking Torah(sinning) there's no way you could be apart of the new covenant where it's written on the Heart, your beliefs don't align.

Theres Big difference in Rabbinical Judaisim, and Biblical/Gospel Judaisim.

The 10 Words.. is good place to start, nothing about keeping anything "perfectly", it's about a honest effort, and showing your not in this just bc of your culture, and tradition, but you truly want to please the God of Israel.

If you won't give up a pagan tree for Him, than I'd say you are one of those who "honour him with your mouth, but at heart are far from Him"

Salvation from The Messiah, is a covenant made only for Judah and Israel, look it up in Jeremiah 31, if you don't graft into Israel, you can't partake in that covenant. Signs of the Newer covenant is having Torah written on the Heart, of Israel and Judah...If u believe that very Torah is abolished, if you believe you have replaced Gods people, that's not the Covenant from The God of Israel, you in to something else brother(another religion), like a Muslim. 

But it's not to late to leave that false doctrine behind for Gods Truth.  God tests his people to see if we truly Love Him, makes since for Him to send your people down a road of all these false beliefs, just to see after youve grown to love your culture and tradition, if you would give that up for Him. 

In Gen. 22 we see...And God Tested Abraham....from the Hebrew word Nisaah-tested is rooted in the Word Neis-a banner, that flys above a army.....Hence the verse would actually be rendered "And God ELEVATED Abraham!(trial upon trial) So become ELEVATED brother. 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Completed Israelite