pittsburghjoe Posted January 21, 2021 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 168 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted January 21, 2021 If an interference pattern can return ..it means it wasn't possible to observe it in one of the all possible paths. If something is going to be scalar (the fallen reality) then you will not get an interference pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 22, 2021 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 168 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 Physicality is what happened after original sin. We were not physical beforehand. Adam and Eve suddenly knew they were naked because they were physical for the first time. We suffered a spiritual death ..not a physical one. Scalar started. This makes Sin the reason for the measurement problem. You need a closed scalar volume for entropy. Entropy is disorder. The non-physical doesn't use entropy. The spiritual universe is coherent. This reality of the fallen is decoherence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LearningToLetGo Posted January 22, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 717 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 660 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/21/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, pittsburghjoe said: We were not physical beforehand. Adam and Eve suddenly knew they were naked because they were physical for the first time. Interesting notion... How do you square this with Adam and Eve seeing objects in the garden, such as the tree itself? Are you implying they were spirits hovering through a manifest reality or that reality itself was non-physical? Edited January 22, 2021 by LearningToLetGo Spelling, of course. Always spelling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 22, 2021 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 168 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 Right, spiritual beings in a spiritual universe have no idea that they are not physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LearningToLetGo Posted January 22, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 717 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 660 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/21/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22, 2021 Upon becoming physical their first reaction is to notice their nakedness? Strange choice of emphasis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 22, 2021 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 168 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 Quantum Coherence is infinite order of the Vector Field. Anything physical is finite and disordered with entropy. You make a good point, but maybe the two environments are similar when you are made out of the same stuff. The physical reality is the view of the fallen. Considering someone naked goes with lust which they didn't have before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandalfTheWise Posted January 22, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 24 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 2,377 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/23/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22, 2021 Non-standard usage of physics terms without clear definition is not really conveying clear ideas. Genesis 1 is fairly clear on the point that God created man from the dust of the earth. Genesis does not seem to contain any language that suggests all of creation suddenly transformed from spiritual to physical existence at the point of the fall of humanity. This strongly suggests the earth was created as physical rather than spiritual. Given that Adam was made from the same stuff as the earth, it's quite a stretch to claim he and Eve were totally spiritual beings when they were created. As a historical note, some early gnostics believed some variations of the spiritual world being good and the material world being evil. This was rejected by the church. As far as I can tell, some variation of old gnostic beliefs seems to be what is being suggested in this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 22, 2021 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 168 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 There was a spiritual death ..not a physical one. Would you prefer we didn't have scientific evidence of sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristen Posted January 22, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,402 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 1,374 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/26/2014 Status: Online Share Posted January 22, 2021 Hi Joe, You said, “Does anyone know what the double slit experiment is? It might be pointing out that there is something greater than us” The conclusion that these experimental results “might be pointing” to “something greater than us” is a highly speculative, and a very ambiguous, conclusion. One would have to be prepared to assume an awful lot place any confidence in such a conclusion based on the available facts. “If an interference pattern can return ..it means it wasn't possible to observe it in one of the all possible paths” Or it could “mean” there are multiple distinct paths, or split paths interacting with each other to generate interference patterns. Or it could “mean” something we have yet to conceive. “If something is going to be scalar (the fallen reality) then you will not get an interference pattern” Interference patterns can be generated by any physical property that behaves like a wave. It is also requires a stupendous magnitude of assumption to apply the behaviour of quanta to every property across all of “reality”. “Physicality is what happened after original sin. We were not physical beforehand” The most straight forward reading of Genesis has us being created as physical beings in a physical universe before “sin”. “Adam and Eve suddenly knew they were naked because they were physical for the first time” There is no principle in scripture equating “physical” existence with “sin”. Jesus walked the earth as a “physical” human, “yet without sin” (Hebrews 4:15). “We suffered a spiritual death ..not a physical one. Scalar started” Nothing in scripture indicates any of this. In fact, the evidence from scripture indicates otherwise. The process of “physical” death started at the point of sin. Though there is also a sense in which we were spiritually cut-off from the life-breath of God. “This makes Sin the reason for the measurement problem. You need a closed scalar volume for entropy. Entropy is disorder. The non-physical doesn't use entropy. The spiritual universe is coherent. This reality of the fallen is decoherence” I appreciate the thought that has gone into this. Ultimately, it is a god-of-the-gaps type of argument. But it can not be the Christian God, because the premise is contrary to the most straight-forward reading of Christian scripture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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