Waggles Posted November 20, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2021 18 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: You are promoting a false doctrine that the Lord said "Let there be light" and there wasn't until the third day.... because the star we call the sun is the only possible light source and it had to be exactly the same on day one as on day three. I am trying to unravel this nonsense you wrote. Can you explain the light that shone for three "days" before the creation of our local star the Sun?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted November 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,130 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 12:20 PM, Bawb said: A really good evangelistic approach is one that Ray Comfort of Living Waters uses: Without a painter there is no painting. Without a builder there is no building. So how can one look at creation and say there is no creator? How can things that are so intricate and yet so co-dependent, even within the same body, NOT be created all at once? BY the CREATOR! As Genesis says, creation unfolded from the initial creation, as God intended. So energy was created first, then matter, and then matter brought forth life as God intended it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted November 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,130 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 3/1/2021 at 7:55 AM, Regenerated-Adult said: God created these life forms first where they were already living, they didn't evolve. All life evolves. We see it happening constantly. The first living things were no different. God made them with the capacity of evolve to adapt to their environments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted November 20, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2021 18 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Adam knew of a created earth because he was there. Moses knew the earth was created in its maturity because God told him so. I have never written that the Earth was not created in fullness by God. The issue is six 24 hour days versus six periods of time. The issue is that God created human beings, male and female, on the six yom and then rested from all his works. The issue is that Adam was formed (and then Eve) and separated from all others in the garden after the 7th yom - the eighth day so to speak which correlates to eight souls being saved through the Flood. The issue is that Cain did not marry his sister (no scripture supports this vile notion) and that he indeed went to the land of Nod and there he took a wife. The issue is that other human beings did not evolve from either Adam and Eve nor from Noah's family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted November 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Waggles said: I am trying to unravel this nonsense you wrote. Can you explain the light that shone for three "days" before the creation of our local star the Sun?? What RV_Wizard wrote was correct. Gen. 1:3-5 (KJV) 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Here, God has created a light source. This light source enables evening and morning - Day One; however, it is not until Day Four that God creates the sun, moon and stars. Gen. 1:14-19 (KJV) 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted November 20, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, David1701 said: What RV_Wizard wrote was correct. Gen. 1:3-5 (KJV) 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Here, God has created a light source. This light source enables evening and morning - Day One; however, it is not until Day Four that God creates the sun, moon and stars. Not at all. RV Wizard explained nothing. "Here, God created a light source." - Are you for real?? This is from Mr. Scripture Only. Where does Genesis explain that God created another light source? Which verse is that in? And God said let there be light - this is none other than Jesus as the Creator himself. The light of God appeared above a dark and void planet. John 9:5 While I am in the world, I am Light of the world. John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whoever believeth unto me remain not in the darkness. Edited November 20, 2021 by Waggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted November 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Waggles said: Not at all. RV Wizard explained nothing. "Here, God created a light source." - Are you for real?? This is from Mr. Scripture Only. Where does Genesis explain that God created another light source? Which verse is that in? And God said let there be light - this is none other than Jesus as the Creator himself. The light of God appeared above a dark and void planet. John 9:5 While I am in the world, I am Light of the world. John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whoever believeth unto me remain not in the darkness. The Lord Jesus Christ is NOT a created being!!! He is the second Person of the Trinity and, as such, exists eternally. God said, "Let there be light.". This created the first light source. This is what Christians believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted November 20, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, David1701 said: God said, "Let there be light.". This created the first light source. This is what Christians believe. No there is no reference in the scripture that God created light ... Genesis 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God is light. Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 2Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, [KJV] 1 hour ago, David1701 said: This is what Christians believe. Which Christians?? Edited November 20, 2021 by Waggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted November 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, Waggles said: No there is no reference in the scripture that God created light ... Genesis 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God is light. Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 2Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, [KJV] Which Christians?? It appears that you don't understand what "Let there be..." means. It means that God is calling something into existence that did not exist previously. Yes, of course God is light, which means that he can very easily create light. Created light is not the same as the light that God has inherently. We cannot look on that light and live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted November 21, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 803 Content Per Day: 0.85 Reputation: 341 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted November 21, 2021 21 hours ago, teddyv said: So in your opinion, reality is unreliable? Careful you don't have a sperm whale or potted plant land on your head one day. Reality is that there is one God who created the Heavens and the earth, who sent His son to die for the sins of man. By His hand were all things created that were created. Reality is that natural law bows to God's command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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