Selah7 Posted July 18, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 3,182 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Sparks said: Yes, God can do literally anything. The fact stands that science cannot help us in proving or disproving God, nor can it tell us when light first appeared. We don't need any proof; we have His Word.  ...and that's all-sufficient.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted July 18, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 18, 2021 52 minutes ago, Selah7 said: We don't need any proof; we have His Word.  ...and that's all-sufficient.  The evidence for God is everywhere. The prior post was about science, though. I posted about its limitations on the matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah7 Posted July 18, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 3,182 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Sparks said: The evidence for God is everywhere. The prior post was about science, though. I posted about its limitations on the matter. Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted July 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Online Share Posted July 20, 2021 They don't mind bending the meaning of words, but only if it fits the narrative they want. On 7/17/2021 at 9:41 AM, Sparks said: The irony. Yep.  In spite of that, they still claim to interpret Genesis by "what it says."  Unless what it says contradicts their new doctrines, that is.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted July 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Online Share Posted July 20, 2021 And remember, none of this has anything at all to do with one's salvation.   God isn't going to give you a theology test at Judgement.    He'll look into your heart and decide based on things Jesus told you to do. If you don't remember what those things are: Matthew 25:31-46 Read it and act accordingly.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadworm Posted July 20, 2021 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 300 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/13/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2021 (1) The New Jerusalem Bible is renowned for its unique sensitivity to Hebrew nuance. Its translation of Proverbs 8:30-31 provides a nice prooftext for theistic evolution: "I [Lady Wisdom personified) was beside the master craftsman, delighting him day after day, ever at play in his presence, at play everywhere on his earth, delighting to be with the children of men." The earliest doctrine of the Trinity (Greek: trinas") consists of "God, God's Word [= Christ], and God's Wisdom [Sophia"] (so Theophilus bishop of Antioch--180 AD." Why does Wisdom speak as if She is a distinct Person from God? Well, "Sophia" personified includes the implication "Mother Nature;" so 8:30-31 implies that God invested Mother Nature with all the laws needed for earthly life and then let Nature's divine "play" work out the details. Divine "play" implies apparent randomness that allows for mass extinctions and evolutionary dead ends. Though this text does not explicitly teach evolution, its poetic intention is quite compatible with evolution as a manifestation of Mother Nature's "play." (2) God does not call vegetation and life into existence out of nothing; rather He declares, "Let the waters bring forth (sea life--1:20) and "Let the earth bring forth (vegetation and animals life--1:11, 24). An ancient near eastern reader would think of the creative role of "Earth Mother." God could have used the laws embedded in Earth Mother (or Mother Nature) to evolve life into increasingly complex life forms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted July 21, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Chicken coop2 said: And, to this very day, as in genesis, if a species is self crossed the seeds are the same as the parent. But if a hybrid is self crossed, each seed makes a new variety. That's why you clone hybrid roses from cuttings and dahlias by dividing up to tuber like a sweet potato, and glads from the tiny baby bulbs that grow on the mother bulb.  Speciation is real, but you never, ever, ever (insert 27 more evers) see a 'species' become a new kind.  Ever.  That's what makes Darwinian Evolution an abject failure of a theory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted July 21, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.52 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 21, 2021 15 hours ago, Deadworm said: (1) The New Jerusalem Bible is renowned for its unique sensitivity to Hebrew nuance. Its translation of Proverbs 8:30-31 provides a nice prooftext for theistic evolution: "I [Lady Wisdom personified) was beside the master craftsman, delighting him day after day, ever at play in his presence, at play everywhere on his earth, delighting to be with the children of men." The earliest doctrine of the Trinity (Greek: trinas") consists of "God, God's Word [= Christ], and God's Wisdom [Sophia"] (so Theophilus bishop of Antioch--180 AD." Why does Wisdom speak as if She is a distinct Person from God? Well, "Sophia" personified includes the implication "Mother Nature;" so 8:30-31 implies that God invested Mother Nature with all the laws needed for earthly life and then let Nature's divine "play" work out the details. Divine "play" implies apparent randomness that allows for mass extinctions and evolutionary dead ends. Though this text does not explicitly teach evolution, its poetic intention is quite compatible with evolution as a manifestation of Mother Nature's "play." (2) God does not call vegetation and life into existence out of nothing; rather He declares, "Let the waters bring forth (sea life--1:20) and "Let the earth bring forth (vegetation and animals life--1:11, 24). An ancient near eastern reader would think of the creative role of "Earth Mother." God could have used the laws embedded in Earth Mother (or Mother Nature) to evolve life into increasingly complex life forms. The New Jerusalam "Bible" is notorious for its very strong Roman Catholic bias. Most of this blurb is heretical nonsense about so-called "Earth Mother". The third Person of the Trinity is the Holy Spirit, not "Mother Nature"!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AandW_Rootbeer Posted July 21, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 586 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 167 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, David1701 said: The New Jerusalam "Bible" is notorious for its very strong Roman Catholic bias. Most of this blurb is heretical nonsense about so-called "Earth Mother". The third Person of the Trinity is the Holy Spirit, not "Mother Nature"!! What is the Jerusalem Bible (JB)? | GotQuestions.org https://www.gotquestions.org › ... › Bible › Bible versions    Overall, the Jerusalem Bible and the New Jerusalem Bible are good English translations of the Bible. Very little Roman Catholic "influence" is seen in the New Jerusalem Bible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AandW_Rootbeer Posted July 21, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 586 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 167 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted July 21, 2021 ^ Doesn't mean I am advocating for the New Jerusalem Bible.  I am merely reporting that supposedly that Bible has Little to No influence by and from the RCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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