Obstinate Learner

[WordSword]

“If we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins” (Heb 10:26 KJV).” “If we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins” (NLT).

If it were said that one received the truth (the Gospel), it could be correctly conceived that one believed and accepted salvation. But this passage refers to, not the truth but the “knowledge of the truth.” Can one reborn (saved) continue to live sinning intentionally—as was prior to rebirth? No! This would prove the absence of rebirth. The design of the passage intends the sense of one coming to know what the Gospel is, and continues to willingly live in sin, without receiving the Gospel—but only receiving (discovering) the knowledge of it.

“It had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness (receive the knowledge of the truth), than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment” (2Pe 2:21). “They would not be guilty if I had not come and spoken to them. But now they have no excuse for their sin” (Jhn 15:22, 24).

“And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more” (Luk 12:47, 48). This answers to the saying that “proportionate to a man's light is his guilt!”
 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

On 10/15/2021 at 1:19 PM, WordSword said:

If it were said that one received the truth (the Gospel), it could be correctly conceived that one believed and accepted salvation. But this passage refers to, not the truth but the “knowledge of the truth.” Can one reborn (saved) continue to live sinning intentionally—as was prior to rebirth? No! This would prove the absence of rebirth. The design of the passage intends the sense of one coming to know what the Gospel is, and continues to willingly live in sin, without receiving the Gospel—but only receiving (discovering) the knowledge of it

No, if you continue to read, it is clearly talking about someone who had came to the knowledge of truth (Saving Grace) and was sanctified and then continued to live willfully in unrepentant sin afterwards.

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? - Heb 10:26-29 KJV

Peter confirms:

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. - 2Pe 2:20-22 KJV

For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. - Heb 6:4-6 KJV

This is obvious not referring to some one who stumbles trying to live rightly and immediately repents but is referring to someone who deliberately continues to live a sinful life and refuses to repent of their sins but find ways to justify them because they have no fear of God.  Eventually their conscience becomes seared to point they can never come to a place of repentance and their fate is sealed.

 

Edited October 17, 2021 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Guest]

16 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. - 2Pe 2:20-22 KJV

For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. - Heb 6:4-6 KJV

This is obvious not referring to some one who stumbles trying to live rightly and immediately repents but is referring to someone who deliberately continues to live a sinful life and refuses to repent of their sins but find ways to justify them because they have no fear of God.  Eventually their conscience becomes seared to point they can never come to a place of repentance and their fate is sealed.

 

The phrase "escape the pollutions of the world" has to do with a hypocritical conscience being alleviated from its guilt via a notional profession, which can relieve one from not openly appearing to be seen as a natural man.

If I may share this by John Gill: "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world,...." The sins of it, the governing vices of it, which the men of the world are addicted to, and immersed in; for the whole world lies in wickedness, and which are of a defiling nature: the phrase is Rabbinical; it is said {q}, "he that studies not in the law in this world, but is defiled amle ypwnjb, "with the pollutions of the world," what is written of him? and they took him, and cast him without:" these, men may escape, abstain from, and outwardly reform, with respect unto, and yet be destitute of the grace of God; so that this can be no instance of the final and total apostasy of real saints; for the house may be swept and garnished with an external reformation; persons may be outwardly righteous before men, have a form of godliness and a name to live, and yet be dead in trespasses and sins.

[Guest]

If someone's life doesn't change after "being saved," then they were never saved to begin with. Once a person if truly saved, they are always saved. Scripture is quite clear about that.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

8 hours ago, WordSword said:

The phrase "escape the pollutions of the world" has to do with a hypocritical conscience being alleviated from its guilt via a notional profession, which can relieve one from not openly appearing to be seen as a natural man.

Hmmm???  Sounds like nonsense.  Its clearly speaking of people who departed/fell away from the truth and chose to continue in a life of unrepentant sin. 

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. - 2Pe 2:20-22 KJV

For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. - Heb 6:4-6 KJV

 

[Guest]

On 10/16/2021 at 7:33 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Hmmm???  Sounds like nonsense.  Its clearly speaking of people who departed/fell away from the truth and chose to continue in a life of unrepentant sin. 

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. - 2Pe 2:20-22 KJV

For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. - Heb 6:4-6 KJV

 

I would like to suggest viewing these comments on 2Pe 2:20.

John Gill: (1697-1771) https://www.christianity.com/bible/commentary/john-gill/2-peter/2

Albert Barnes: (1798-1879) https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/bnb/2-peter-2.html

[kwikphilly]

On 10/15/2021 at 2:19 PM, WordSword said:

If it were said that one received the truth (the Gospel), it could be correctly conceived that one believed and accepted salvation. But this passage refers to, not the truth but the “knowledge of the truth.” Can one reborn (saved) continue to live sinning intentionally—as was prior to rebirth? No! This would prove the absence of rebirth. The design of the passage intends the sense of one coming to know what the Gospel is, and continues to willingly live in sin, without receiving the Gospel—but only receiving (discovering) the knowledge of it.

Blessings WordSword

        With this particular verse of Scripture I believe its very imported to remember the context,Hebrews can be tricky for sure.......The Truth is of course "Jesus",He is the Way,the Truth & the Life...the Knowledge of the Truth is the Understanding of WHO Jesus is & what His Finished Work on the Cross has accomplished,right?

  This  Christian community with strong Jewish influences & background began falling away from their faith after they received the knowledge of Jesus Christ.....according to there customs & traditions they could prepare a sacrifice & burnt offerings ,go to the High Priest again & again.....Now this SACRIFICE so much more than what was before ,now this Jesus is the Perfect Lamb & is ONCE & for ALL.....

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Hebrews 6:4
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,

Hebrews 6:6
and then have fallen away--to be restored to repentance, because they themselves are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to open shame.
 

So,although all the points made above are true,about deliberate & willful sinning but then you would have to ask yourself "were they truly born again"? Thats why I think for the Book of Hebrews we must remember who was being addressed and why

   Anyway,just thought I might contribute my 2 cents                         With love-in Christ,Kwik

[Guest]

1 hour ago, kwikphilly said:

So,although all the points made above are true,about deliberate & willful sinning but then you would have to ask yourself "were they truly born again"? Thats why I think for the Book of Hebrews we must remember who was being addressed and why

Hi, and good point, because those reborn will never again desire to live after the sin nature, due to the God's "work" in them (Phl 2:13).

[kwikphilly]

11 hours ago, WordSword said:

Hi, and good point, because those reborn will never again desire to live after the sin nature, due to the God's "work" in them (Phl 2:13).

Blessings & "hi" to you too WordSword

 I'm glad you appreciated my lil 2 cents-LOL    I see you referred to a John Gill commentary,his are my favorites-always good imo

  BTW,I really like you subject Title- fitting                                    With love-in Christ,Kwik

[Guest]

12 hours ago, WordSword said:

Hi, and good point, because those reborn will never again desire to live after the sin nature, due to the God's "work" in them (Phl 2:13).

I think you should be aware that some believe John Gill who wrote his "Exposition of the Whole Bible" is considered to be a hyper-Calvinist by some famous theologians.  I read John Gill's Exposition often but always temper what he writes with others like the Believer's Bible Commentary (BBC), the Bible Knowledge Commentary (BKC), and Unger's Commentary of the Old Testament (hard to find but worth it).  Jamison-Faucet-Brown (JFB) is also a good commentary.