WorthyNewsBot Posted December 19, 2021 Group: Bots Followers: 3 Topic Count: 39,879 Topics Per Day: 6.46 Content Count: 44,377 Content Per Day: 7.18 Reputation: 986 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/06/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2021 The Netherlands’ government announced Europe’s toughest Christmas season lockdown Saturday as nations across the continent tried to halt massive COVID-19 infections spurred by the Omicron variant.View the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyLouse Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 268 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/30/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/2004 Share Posted December 20, 2021 I wonder if the government leaders had considered the possibility that they are trying to become a fascist state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,178 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,906 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 I've been reading that the Omicron is supposed to be fairly mild.... has something changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 2 hours ago, NickyLouse said: I wonder if the government leaders had considered the possibility that they are trying to become a fascist state. Netherlands is very socialist, not remotely fascist. Could lead down an authoritarian route, but not really fascist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyLouse Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 268 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/30/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/2004 Share Posted December 20, 2021 7 hours ago, teddyv said: Netherlands is very socialist, not remotely fascist. Could lead down an authoritarian route, but not really fascist. I disagree because when you start telling me how to live my personal life or how to run my business, you have become fascist. If the Netherlands government was merely socialist, which I find no less disturbing, they would not be shutting down businesses or telling people when or where they can conduct their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,178 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,906 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, NickyLouse said: I disagree because when you start telling me how to live my personal life or how to run my business, you have become fascist. If the Netherlands government was merely socialist, which I find no less disturbing, they would not be shutting down businesses or telling people when or where they can conduct their own. I guess it's ok to drive 55 mph in a school zone, and dump raw sewage into our rivers. Can't tell me what to do. BTW while the Federal government does not have the constitutional right to tell you to take a vaccine, the states certainly do; that's the way it is in a free society..... because your freedom stops where mime begins and if your decisions effect mine I have the right to demand you stop.... And I understand our supreme court has agreed. If I own a business with 11,000 employees, I have the right to protect my business and other employees and demand you have vaccines. We do it in most schools every day. States do have the authority to set limits for your business for the good of the people. I don't have a problem with States making demands, but not the federal government.... I don't want people elected by California or New York telling me how to live, but local elected people is a different story. If you strip all authority from any government, you don't have a government.... and chaos will shortly follow. that's the problem with pure Libertarians. The human race simply can not live without some form of government because someone wants to be in charge and those will usually do anything to get it. 6,000 and more history has examples all through it. Our form of government (Representative) seems to be the best, but since people started voting for people who will give them the most we've functionally turned it into a democracy and that never works out for long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyLouse Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 268 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/30/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/2004 Share Posted December 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, other one said: I guess it's ok to drive 55 mph in a school zone, and dump raw sewage into our rivers. Can't tell me what to do. BTW while the Federal government does not have the constitutional right to tell you to take a vaccine, the states certainly do; that's the way it is in a free society..... because your freedom stops where mime begins and if your decisions effect mine I have the right to demand you stop.... And I understand our supreme court has agreed. If I own a business with 11,000 employees, I have the right to protect my business and other employees and demand you have vaccines. We do it in most schools every day. States do have the authority to set limits for your business for the good of the people. I don't have a problem with States making demands, but not the federal government.... I don't want people elected by California or New York telling me how to live, but local elected people is a different story. If you strip all authority from any government, you don't have a government.... and chaos will shortly follow. that's the problem with pure Libertarians. The human race simply can not live without some form of government because someone wants to be in charge and those will usually do anything to get it. 6,000 and more history has examples all through it. Our form of government (Representative) seems to be the best, but since people started voting for people who will give them the most we've functionally turned it into a democracy and that never works out for long. Although it grates against my desire to be free, you made some excellent points. However, I think the governments are using entirely too heavy hands with regard to the virus. I think they have become so emboldened with power to mandate, dictate and persecute that I resist it greater than I would if they had just been forthright. The desire for self-preservation would have achieved better results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,178 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,906 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, NickyLouse said: Although it grates against my desire to be free, you made some excellent points. However, I think the governments are using entirely too heavy hands with regard to the virus. I think they have become so emboldened with power to mandate, dictate and persecute that I resist it greater than I would if they had just been forthright. The desire for self-preservation would have achieved better results. The virus has been politicized and much of what they are doing really doesn't have anything to do with the virus itself. However I see people tossing the real danger of the virus in the dumpster to stand up for their freedom. Sometimes related to cutting ones own nose off to spite his face. If we manage to make it to 2023 here we could have fixed the problem by the election of November 2022. And as often has happened, what goes down here usually spreads around. I could express my personal feelings about the whole thing in one sentence, but it goes against the TOS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyLouse Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 268 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/30/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/2004 Share Posted December 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, other one said: I could express my personal feelings about the whole thing in one sentence, but it goes against the TOS Same here, brother. I bite my tongue to prevent coarse language that wants to come out. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,178 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,906 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, NickyLouse said: Same here, brother. I bite my tongue to prevent coarse language that wants to come out. <3 My problem is not language but extremely offensive words about people's cognitive skills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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