truth7t7 Posted January 16, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2022 It Appears The Lake of fire is in the New Heaven and Earth, outside the gates of New Jerusalem? Isaiah 66:22-24KJV 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Revelation 22:14-15KJV 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible_Gazer Posted January 16, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 450 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/05/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2022 they are all going to be dead, once its completed, no need of the destruction anymore. Then there will be no more death Rev 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 16, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 hours ago, truth7t7 said: It Appears The Lake of fire is in the New Heaven and Earth, outside the gates of New Jerusalem? Isaiah 66:22-24KJV 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Revelation 22:14-15KJV 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. The lake of fire is hell. Hell will be in a totally different place than the new heaven and new earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted January 16, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,037 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 1,454 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2022 10 hours ago, truth7t7 said: It Appears The Lake of fire is in the New Heaven and Earth, outside the gates of New Jerusalem? Isaiah 66:22-24KJV 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Revelation 22:14-15KJV 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. The Lake of Fire is named "Gehenna" and is used interchangeably with "The Second Death", "perdition" and "destruction". Since "the Lake of Fire" is a description, we must turn to "Gehenna" and "perdition" for a description. "Gehenna" comes from the "Valley of Hinnom" - the valley on the south side of Jerusalem where the city's refuse is thrown and burnt. It is also the place where the Canaanites, and later Israel, caused their children to pass through fire alive to appease the fire-god-demon Molech. The picture it gives is a place right next to God chosen place, but declared useless for the intended purpose and good for fire only. In Matthew 10:28 we get a hint of what it is. It is the STATE of a living man who has extreme psychological and physical suffering inflicted by God. "Perdition" in the Greek does not mean annihilation. It means "exquisite lack of well-being". It carries the connotation of a ship that has sunk. It is still a ship but as it lies on the bottom of the ocean instead of sailing on top of it, it experiences an acute sense of failure. Theses two definitions define the STATE of a living man who is suffering terribly. Both Isaiah 66 and Mark 9 describe this suffering as "their worm will not die and their fire will not be quenched". The word "their" indicates two things. (i) It is personal. Each man condemned to this STATE gets his own fire and own worm, and (ii) it indicates God's justice. Each man gets that measure of suffering they deserve. The Lake of Fire was made for Satan and is co-rebel angels. It is a disgrace that the first creature to enter it is a man - the Beast. Gehenna is translated as "hell" by translators. This is misleading because "hell" is a concept, but "Gehenna" is a STATE. The PLACE "Hades", a subterranean cavern for the souls of dead men, is also translated by some translators as "hell". This is misleading because "hell" is a CONCEPT while Hades is a PLACE. On the New Earth, God will dwell IN men (the Church), He will dwell WITH men (Israel) and this dwelling - the Church will, with God and His Christ, rule the Nations who were all resurrected at the White Throne. Each member of the Nations will have been judged according to their works (Rev.20:12-13). According to Isaiah 66:24 if a member of the Nations was found to have actively gone against God, he will suffer "perdition". He is counted as defiled and may never visit God's abode. On the other hand, a simple sheepherder boy, who looked after sheep until at age ten he was killed by Genghis Khan, will not be found to have actively gone against God. He will be allowed to visit God's dwelling and derive the pleasures involved. And thus is God's Covenant of Promise fulfilled in that through Jesus, Seed of Abraham, will "all the families" of the earth be blessed (note; NOT "all men"). Isaiah 66:24 says that the men and women who went against God will be in plain view and their agony will be beheld by men. The term, "Lake of Fire" is derived from God's previous judgments of the earth when everything was covered by water (Gen.1 & Gen.6-8). In God's Covenant with Noah, God promised not to cover the earth with water again. But those judged worthy of "perdition" are in a "Lake" - this time, of FIRE. Because of a thousand years of Roman Catholic mythology, the word and concept of "hell" as a PLACE has been ingrained in Christians. "A little leaven leavens the whole lump". But the truth is that Gehenna is a STATE of living men who are suffering terribly as the go about normal daily tasks. Notice that no man goes to the Lake of Fire in a state of death. The rich man in Luke 16 was in Hades, not Gehenna. He had not yet been judged, thus his suffering was most probably because he carried his law-breaking nature with him. According to 2nd Corinthians 5:1-5 we all "groan" in death. That is why Lazarus had to be "comforted", and why God has created "Abraham's Bosom" for His people. But Hades, PLACE of the souls of dead men, is NOT the Lake of Fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 17, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, missmuffet said: The lake of fire is hell. Hell will be in a totally different place than the new heaven and new earth. Death and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire at the final judgement seen below, they are two different places,with the Lake of Fire being eternal Revelation 20:14KJV 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death Edited January 17, 2022 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 17, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, AdHoc said: On the New Earth, God will dwell IN men (the Church), He will dwell WITH men (Israel) and this dwelling - the Church will, with God and His Christ, rule the Nations who were all resurrected at the White Throne. Each member of the Nations will have been judged according to their works (Rev.20:12-13). According to Isaiah 66:24 if a member of the Nations was found to have actively gone against God, he will suffer "perdition". He is counted as defiled and may never visit God's abode. On the other hand, a simple sheepherder boy, who looked after sheep until at age ten he was killed by Genghis Khan, will not be found to have actively gone against God. He will be allowed to visit God's dwelling and derive the pleasures involved. And thus is God's Covenant of Promise fulfilled in that through Jesus, Seed of Abraham, will "all the families" of the earth be blessed (note; NOT "all men"). Isaiah 66:24 says that the men and women who went against God will be in plain view and their agony will be beheld by men. The term, "Lake of Fire" is derived from God's previous judgments of the earth when everything was covered by water (Gen.1 & Gen.6-8). In God's Covenant with Noah, God promised not to cover the earth with water again. But those judged worthy of "perdition" are in a "Lake" - this time, of FIRE. Because of a thousand years of Roman Catholic mythology, the word and concept of "hell" as a PLACE has been ingrained in Christians. "A little leaven leavens the whole lump". But the truth is that Gehenna is a STATE of living men who are suffering terribly as the go about normal daily tasks. Notice that no man goes to the Lake of Fire in a state of death. The rich man in Luke 16 was in Hades, not Gehenna. He had not yet been judged, thus his suffering was most probably because he carried his law-breaking nature with him. According to 2nd Corinthians 5:1-5 we all "groan" in death. That is why Lazarus had to be "comforted", and why God has created "Abraham's Bosom" for His people. But Hades, PLACE of the souls of dead men, is NOT the Lake of Fire. A simple question and a novel off topic response pushing Dual Covenant Theology I disagree with you placing (Two Groups) of Gods people in the Eternal Kingdom, as you continue to push (Dual Covenant Theology) Jew/Church God has one people, his Church, where there is neither Jew/Greek Edited January 17, 2022 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 17, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 hours ago, truth7t7 said: Death and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire at the final judgement seen below, they are two different places,with the Lake of Fire being eternal Revelation 20:14KJV 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death Revelation 20:14-15 NKJV Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. Hades is a different place than hell. Hell is not open as yet. It will be opened at the end of the 1000 year millennium. Hades is a temporary holding place where the unbeliever souls go now. They are waiting in Hades to be judged at the Great White Throne judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBear Posted January 17, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 695 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 748 Days Won: 5 Joined: 11/10/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/17/1973 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Matthew 10:28 Don’t fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. the final death ☠️ SHALOM❤️ "So we do not focus on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal." - 2 Corinthians 4:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 17, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, MrBear said: Matthew 10:28 Don’t fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. the final death ☠️ SHALOM❤️ "So we do not focus on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal." - 2 Corinthians 4:18 The Lake of Fire is the Eternal final death Revelation 20:14-15KJV 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 17, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 36 minutes ago, missmuffet said: Hell is not open as yet. It will be opened at the end of the 1000 year millennium. Hades is a temporary holding place where the unbeliever souls go now. They are waiting in Hades to be judged at the Great White Throne judgment. Tell that to the rich man in Hell, who mistreated Lazarus below Luke 16:22-24KJV 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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