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Yes. That is the verses I was looking at as well...I didn't see an early summer wheat harvest...could you please show which verse in the above text that denotes the early summer harvest...?

Deut. 16:16 says the same thing as 2 Chronicles 8:13 

1) Feast of unleavened bread- (Passover)

2) Feast of weeks- (pentecost)

3) Feast of tabernacles- (Tabernacles)

As shown in the Lev. 23 the feast of Passover was eating the unleavened bread for seven days beginning on the 14th day of the first month..The passover was not a harvest...it was eating unleavened bread.

5 hours ago, The Light said:

In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.

6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

The Feast of Weeks or Pentecost was a harvest as it states below. When they were come into the land and reaped the harvest they were to bring a sheaf of the first fruits of this harvest to the priest...So this is the first fruits:

5 hours ago, The Light said:

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest unto the priest:

11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

After the first fruits of the harvest they were to count 50 days and then offer two wave loaves of fine flour baked with leaven and these were called first fruits unto the Lord...however there was not another harvest that took place during this 50 days...the offered the first fruits of the harvest, then counted 50 days and offered loaves with leaven, and seven lambs, one bullock, two rams, sacrifice on kid goat, and two lambs, then the priest waves them with the bread for an offering before the Lord...these were offerings, but there was no intermediate or additional harvest at this time. 

5 hours ago, The Light said:

Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.

17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the first fruits unto the Lord.

18 And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the Lord, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savor unto the Lord.

19 Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.

20 And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the first fruits for a wave offering before the Lord, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the Lord for the priest.

So the next time a harvest is mentioned it is the one at the end of the year called the feast of ingathering as shown in Ex. 23:16, and 34:22

5 hours ago, The Light said:

And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the Lord your God.

So there were different feasts of the Lord but concerning a harvest there was the first fruits, then there was the ingathering at the end of the year.

So the Old Testament type and shadow only consisted of first fruits and the end harvest, which correlates with the New Testament reality...Christ was the first fruits, in that he was the first that was resurrected and glorified, and then it says 'Afterward, they that are Christ's at his coming,' which of course is at the Second Coming.

Please provide evidence of another early summer wheat harvest. 

Blessings to  you- Gary

[The Light]

15 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Yes. That is the verses I was looking at as well...I didn't see an early summer wheat harvest...could you please show which verse in the above text that denotes the early summer harvest...?

Deut. 16:16 says the same thing as 2 Chronicles 8:13 

1) Feast of unleavened bread- (Passover)

2) Feast of weeks- (pentecost)

3) Feast of tabernacles- (Tabernacles)

As shown in the Lev. 23 the feast of Passover was eating the unleavened bread for seven days beginning on the 14th day of the first month..The passover was not a harvest...it was eating unleavened bread.

Passover IS a harvest feast. It is the barley harvest. My opinion is that the barley harvest represents the dead in Christ.

15 hours ago, transmogrified said:

The Feast of Weeks or Pentecost was a harvest as it states below. When they were come into the land and reaped the harvest they were to bring a sheaf of the first fruits of this harvest to the priest...So this is the first fruits:

After the first fruits of the harvest they were to count 50 days and then offer two wave loaves of fine flour baked with leaven and these were called first fruits unto the Lord...however there was not another harvest that took place during this 50 days...the offered the first fruits of the harvest, then counted 50 days and offered loaves with leaven, and seven lambs, one bullock, two rams, sacrifice on kid goat, and two lambs, then the priest waves them with the bread for an offering before the Lord...these were offerings, but there was no intermediate or additional harvest at this time. 

Pentecost is a harvest feast. It is known as a harvest feast. One point I would like mention is that when they entered the land they were instructed to reap the harvest and then bring a sheaf of the first fruits of that harvest for a wave offering. This means there is a harvest.

Also, I found the reading of the KJV somewhat awkward. Though I usually lean on the KJV, I found the fifty days AFTER the feast didn't feel right as Pentecost means fifty. If you count 7 Sabaths that's 49 days and the morrow after the Sabath is another day making a total of 50 days. So it is very confusing that there is another 50 days. I looked at a different translation and it reads differently. Can't vouch for either one at this as would need to research it more. Here is the NIV translation.

¹⁵ “‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. ¹⁶ Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the Lord. ¹⁷ From wherever you live, bring two loaves made of two-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour, baked with yeast, as a wave offering of firstfruits to the Lord. ¹

15 hours ago, transmogrified said:

So the next time a harvest is mentioned it is the one at the end of the year called the feast of ingathering as shown in Ex. 23:16, and 34:22

So there were different feasts of the Lord but concerning a harvest there was the first fruits, then there was the ingathering at the end of the year.

So the Old Testament type and shadow only consisted of first fruits and the end harvest, which correlates with the New Testament reality...Christ was the first fruits, in that he was the first that was resurrected and glorified, and then it says 'Afterward, they that are Christ's at his coming,' which of course is at the Second Coming.

Please provide evidence of another early summer wheat harvest. 

Blessings to  you- Gary

The Feast of Ingathering was a celebration after the fall harvest was completed.

I need to provide ANOTHER early summer wheat harvest?

They that are Christs at His coming will be the Church at the secret pretribulation rapture.

Then the 12 tribes across the earth at the sixth seal as many of them that sleep in the ground will be raised and raptured and the alive will be raptured.

Then the raising of the dead at His coming at the 7th trumpet.

And then 

 

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On 3/20/2022 at 10:25 PM, The Light said:

Pentecost is a harvest feast. It is known as a harvest feast. One point I would like mention is that when they entered the land they were instructed to reap the harvest and then bring a sheaf of the first fruits of that harvest for a wave offering. This means there is a harvest.

Agreed...They brought a sheaf of the first fruits of that harvest for a wave offering...This meant there was a harvest.

There was another offering commanded 50 days later from when they offered the sheaf, but this was not another sheaf offering, it was 2 loaves of bread that was derived from what they had from this first harvest...as it says 'they brought it out of their habitations..."

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Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.

This offering is also called first fruits but it is a different type of offering...instead of the sheaf that was called the first fruits when they began to reap the harvest, the offering here was 2 wave loaves of two tenth deals baked with leaven. And where did they get the flour from for these 2 wave loaves? It was not from an additional harvest, but rather was from what they had in their habitations from the first harvest.

The only other gathering in was the Feast of Tabernacles or booths, or also called the ingathering which was at the end of the year...

I think the confusion might be the word 'first fruits' is used two times, one at the beginning of the harvest and then another mention of first fruits at the end of the 50 days...but these are not two first fruits from 2 different harvests, but one is called the first fruits with the sheaf of grain, and the other is the first fruits of 2 loaves...so instead of two harvests, there were two different types of first fruit offerings...one of a sheaf at the beginning, and another one after 50 days of 2 loaves. 

The first time the sheaf is mentioned it specifically calls out a harvest...'when ye enter into the land and have reaped the harvest....'

But in the next instance of the 2 loaves being offered it does not mention another reaping of another harvest...it says to bring it out of what you already have, or in other words 'your habitations...'

The only other mention specifically of another gathering or harvest  would be the feast of tabernacles at the end of the year. 

Blessings to you- Gary

[The Light]

16 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Agreed...They brought a sheaf of the first fruits of that harvest for a wave offering...This meant there was a harvest.

There was another offering commanded 50 days later from when they offered the sheaf, but this was not another sheaf offering, it was 2 loaves of bread that was derived from what they had from this first harvest...as it says 'they brought it out of their habitations..."

This offering is also called first fruits but it is a different type of offering...instead of the sheaf that was called the first fruits when they began to reap the harvest, the offering here was 2 wave loaves of two tenth deals baked with leaven. And where did they get the flour from for these 2 wave loaves? It was not from an additional harvest, but rather was from what they had in their habitations from the first harvest.

The only other gathering in was the Feast of Tabernacles or booths, or also called the ingathering which was at the end of the year...

I think the confusion might be the word 'first fruits' is used two times, one at the beginning of the harvest and then another mention of first fruits at the end of the 50 days...but these are not two first fruits from 2 different harvests, but one is called the first fruits with the sheaf of grain, and the other is the first fruits of 2 loaves...so instead of two harvests, there were two different types of first fruit offerings...one of a sheaf at the beginning, and another one after 50 days of 2 loaves. 

The first time the sheaf is mentioned it specifically calls out a harvest...'when ye enter into the land and have reaped the harvest....'

But in the next instance of the 2 loaves being offered it does not mention another reaping of another harvest...it says to bring it out of what you already have, or in other words 'your habitations...'

The only other mention specifically of another gathering or harvest  would be the feast of tabernacles at the end of the year. 

Blessings to you- Gary

Doesn't this mean that there will be a harvest on Pentecost?

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These are some of the scriptures pertaining the first fruit laws:

Numbers 28:26 Also in the day of the first fruits, when ye bring a new meat offering unto the LORD, after your weeks be out, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work:

Note: In the above quote the word 'meat' offering is used and it's been changed in almost all newer versions to 'grain' offering...I think the context dictates that is actually grain rather than meat, but from what I have read it seems 'meat' was used in the older English to mean any type of food product...

 Lev. 23:10 - Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest unto the priest:And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.

Deut. 16:9 - Seven weeks shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn.

Ex. 23:16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field. 

 Ex. 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

So the first quote in Numbers is called 'in the day of first fruits, after your weeks are out..you shall bring a new grain offering unto the Lord...' So we have to look closely at what is meant by a 'new grain offering' that was to brought unto the Lord at the end of the 50 days...It does not mention any first fruit of a sheaf being cut and waved to the Lord, which was what they were told to do for the first fruits before they could eat any of the crop,  but rather commands them to offer 2 loaves of bread. 

 So the sequence is they go into the land and plant the wheat...when it is ready to harvest they cut a sheaf of the first fruits of that grain and give it to the priest as a wave offering to the Lord....then, from the time when they first put in the sickle, they count fifty days and offer another first fruit of the 2 loaves of bread that they got out of their habitations...which would then also be called 'old corn' as it shows in Joshua 5:11 -

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Joshua 5:11 And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day. 

In order to have two first fruits offerings in this scenario, we have to consider the sequence of events if this were to work according to the given timeline.

1) They enter into the land and plant wheat...it takes some time for the wheat to mature before its ready to harvest, some estimate it to take four months before it can be ready for harvest...Jesus used the phrase 'four months unto the harvest...' 

2) Some four months after they have planted, it is ready to harvest and they begin to put in the sickle...at this point they cut a sheaf and bring it to the high priest before anyone can eat of any of this harvest..

3) From the time they put in the sickle they count 50 days and then offer 2 loaves also called a first fruit of 2 loaves and other burnt offering and things, but this specifically states this was brought out of their habitations...not from another harvest.

4) The phrase is 'when ye enter into the land and reap the harvest', then you do such and such...There is no mention that they were to plant two different crops at two different times, so there could be another first fruit offering at the end of the 50 days of the first harvest. This is all interjected into the narrative...There would not be two first fruit harvests of a sheaf offering unto the Lord...You wouldn't offer the first fruits of one harvest to the Lord and then offer another one 50 days later and call it the first fruits unto the Lord.

Even if one was to say, they are each the first one in their own harvest...it would be adding to the narrative to get there. If, for example, there were actually two first fruit harvests, then the laws for the first fruits offering would apply to both of them, as they are both allegedly first fruits harvests...But the protocol is not written to accommodate this scenario...There are not two times when they are commanded to cut a sheaf and present it to the Lord as a wave offering...there is only one because there is only one harvest in view...

When the harvest (singular) is ripe, they put in the sickle and reap...they then count 50 days from the time they put in the sickle (into that one singular harvest) and then they offer another offering of 2 loaves and different burnt offerings and things...