Daniel 9:26, 27 explained through New Test verses? YES? or no

[truth7t7]

On 6/15/2022 at 9:18 PM, abcdef said:

The Antichrist has been here for 2000 years, as the Roman iron legs/toes of the Dan. 2 statue, the Roman 4th beast of Dan 7, and the 8 Roman heads of the Rev 17 beast (The 8th is one of the 7.)

You may say, "The Bishop of Rome can't be the Antichrist, because the Antichrist hasn't been revealed yet." (The Antichrist was revealed as Caesar in 70 AD ish.)

That is his plan. Hide right in front of Christians and the worldly. Killing the children of Israel for 20 centuries.

If you would have lived, say, 400 years ago, the difference between the RCC and the reformation movement was "life threatening". At times, with the blessing of Rome they could kill you. Killed for just having a piece of scripture or for translating the scriptures into common languages.

As bad as that was, it was worse for the children of Israel. Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed in 70 AD and the children of Israel were scattered into the gentile nations for 1900 ish years.

And the chief persecutor for all that time?

Caesar and the Bishop of Rome. The 8th head is one of the seven, The Bishop of Rome is one of the Caesars, The Bishop of Rome is the 8th living head of the Roman beast, that lives on to this day.

 

Daniel 9:27 consummation

OK, What is the "ultimate end" of Jerusalem? 

Isn't Jerusalem eternal?

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Which Jerusalem faces an end? 70 AD Jerusalem did. It was desolated in the eyes of every child of Israel. Wasn't that an end, an ultimate end, to the city that was once built there?

They can build another city on top of the old one, which they did, but the new city is not the old city. It has different streets and buildings, sewer systems, water systems, different markets. The old city that once was will never be again. 

In that case it could be said that the 70 AD city did meet its ultimate end.

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What is the ultimate end of this present day Jerusalem?

The ultimate end of Jerusalem on this planet is seen in the Rev 20 fire from heaven.

Is that the ultimate end that you are talking about? 

 

 

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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Scriptural evidence that Jesus was the one who confirmed the covenant, Gal 3:17.

30 AD-37 AD seven years confirmed, until Israel ended the covenant in rejecting the gospel kingdom/(church).

Jesus caused the sacrifices to cease by destroying the city and sanctuary with Roman armies.  

Because of the rejection of Jesus, the gospel kingdom, and the persecution of His followers the city was destroyed by armies that God Himself brought there. Only God Himself could destroy the temple and the city, Jesus/God.

The ultimate end of that city was 70 AD.

No the antichristhasnt been here for 2,000 years as claimed, hewill be a future (King/Ruler) of Hebrew/Jewish) decent, and he will proclaim to the world to be Messiah God in Jerusalem 

The Ultimate end is future, and will take place at the Lord's return when the heavens and earth are dissolved by fire 2 Peter 3:10 (The End)

[truth7t7]

20 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Don’t know if my comments will help but I will throw them out for your consideration:

1) the first section of the 490 year prophecy amounted to 49 years. This was the first section of time completed and there were very specific things to be done during this 49 years.

2) the second section of the 490 year prophecy amounted to 434 years. During this time period Daniel tells us “these things will be restored in Jerusalem.” And they were.

3) This means the total amount of 483 years of the 490 year prophecy has been completed. However, Daniel tells us that AFTER 3 score and 2 weeks (meaning AFTER the completion of the 2nd section - which is cumulatively 69 weeks - includes both the 1st and 2nd sections), but AFTER the end of the 62 weeks, the Messiah will be cut off. 
 

4) AFTER the completion of the 69 weeks starts the beginning of the 70th week, consequently the Messiah IS “cut off in the midst of the last week”. 
 

5) AFTER the 3 score and 2 weeks (or the 62 weeks- second section) the Messiah will come and be crucified. This is the exact same time as the Messiah coming AFTER the 69th week! Because the 1st section of 49 years or 7 weeks has already been completed. 
 

6) Saying a little differently- I hope this might help;

Say John started pitching in the first inning and stayed in for 3 innings.

Then Joe came in to pitch for 4 innings (so far a total of 7 innings have been completed).

Then Mike comes in to pitch the last two innings AND the announcer tells the fans over the PA system that Mike will come in and replace Joe  AFTER 4 innings of pitching. Well, that is true but it was / is also AFTER both John and Joe have pitched 7 innings collectively. But the announcer just tells the fans Mike came in to replace Joe AFTER 4 innings.
 

Same with the Messiah- He will be cut off AFTER the 62 weeks have ended (similar to the 4 innings pitched by Joe which really is at the end of the 7th inning. Mike will begin the start of the 8th inning. The Messiah will start His ministry at the beginning of the 70th week. But He will be cut off within 3.5 years if the total 7 year period. 
 

One more thing: As a result of the Jews rejected and crucifying their Messiah, the 70th week was cut off as well. Jesus did not get a chance to stay the entire 7 years. However, He would still fulfill ALL 6 requirements found in Daniel 9:24-27 before He died. The 70 week prophecy was fulfilled short of its set time by 3.5 years BUT the most important fact is that Jesus fulfilled everything that He was asked to do by His Father during His ministry. 
 

He let us know that in the Cross when He cried out, Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing, and then tells us “It is finished”. 
 

What was finished? He would fulfill all 6 requirements despite the Jews cutting Him off in the midst of the final week of Daniel that HE WAS GIVEN TO COMPLETE HIS ASSIGNMENTS FROM GOD.  
 

This is also why the 490 years were broken into 3 separate sections. God wanted us to see those specific things to be restored back in Jerusalem after the Babylon captivity and most importantly, carving out those 6 requirements only Jesus could complete and emphasizing them for His completion in the last week of the 70 weeks prophecy. 
 

Charlie

 

 

 

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal "Future" Weeks Explained 

 

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

 

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

 

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

 

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

 

Daniel 6:1KJV

It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

 

Daniel 8:14KJV

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

Daniel 12:11KJV

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

 

Daniel 10:2-3KJV

2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

 

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

 

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

 

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the  armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

 

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

 

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

 

Daniel 9:24-27KJV

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Edited June 17, 2022 by truth7t7

[Charlie744]

27 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal "Future" Weeks Explained 

 

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

 

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

 

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

 

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

 

Daniel 6:1KJV

It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

 

Daniel 8:14KJV

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

Daniel 12:11KJV

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

 

Daniel 10:2-3KJV

2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

 

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

 

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

 

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the  armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

 

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

 

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

 

Daniel 9:24-27KJV

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I guess it is just a coincidence that the 70 weeks prophecy fits perfectly with the command to build and restore Jerusalem  (457 BC) - and by the way, after the Jews were punished in captivity for 70 years for their transgressions, and then over the next 483 years all of this prophecy was fulfilled to the DAY (end of the 69th week) and then on the first day of the 70th week the MESSIAH was baptized in the Jordan to begin His ministry for the coming 7 last years of the 490 year prophecy.

Did you miss that? Or perhaps you are thinking there are two of these identical events that will take place - the 490 years prophecy culminating with the coming of the Messiah, and an "end time" prophecy that is based on 490 DAYS?

How do you explain or perhaps … how do you dismiss how this fits perfectly and exactly with the coming Messiah? 

What covenant do you believe this is referring to? Could it be the New Covenant mentioned and prophesized by Jeremiah?

What "vision" is sealed up? The vision identified in Daniel 7 or 8?

Who is the only One that will be anointed? Perhaps the coming Messiah?

What does the NT say about the Messiah and those things HE fulfilled? Did He simply come to die on the Cross and be resurrected? What was accomplished by these terrible events? (the 6 things in 9:24-27 maybe?)

You say "Daniel had no restrictions in writing "exact numerology" and this is when you list your examples. I do agree with SOME of them but they are NOT all days as you may think. But have you also reviewed other verses in the OT that DO USE OR APPLY A DAY FOR A YEAR principle? There should not be any restrictions on Daniel NOT being able to write prophetic verses NOT  using "exact numerology?.  

Have you studied the basis for just about everyone agreeing this represents years and not days? There are many good papers on this and should give you something to consider.

Daniel certainly has many verses that speak to the "true end of times" but most of his writings deal with the coming Messiah and the coming little horn out of the 4th kingdom - they are ALL future events from Daniel's perspective but there are two separate visions mentioned / identified in chapters 7 and 8 - once is termed the "chazon vision" which covers from Babylon to the end of days and everything in between. The other is found in chapter 8 and is termed the "mareh vision" and is found in  verse 8:14 and 8:26. This speaks of a very specific period of time that fits within the long term "chazon vision". This refers to the 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy. Most denominations, especially the SDA claim this does not mean what it says but converts it (and just about every time element they can find) into a "day  for a year" application. Because they can not identify or interpret the true meaning of the time element. 

The only way to determine the meaning of each time element is to look at the context it is being written about. 

Example" perhaps 100 % contend the 2300 days or really years,

Perhaps 100% content the "7 times" in chapter 4 (Nebuchadnezzar exists as an animal) is for 7 years,

Perhaps 100% content the "time, times and 1/2 time" means 3.5 years,

Perhaps 90% believe 1290 and 1335 days means years (and they all place these events at "end times",

Perhaps 90 % contend the 70 weeks prophecy (the one you are referring to) means years while maybe the remaining 10% (don't know who this folks are or what denomination they are from) think it is an end time event in days,

And these are just the ones found in Daniel.... But when they can not interpret the time element they seem to throw it and its related interpretation far in the future and treat it as an "end time event". NO.... Until we realize that the Tanakh and certainly Daniel has as their MAIN CHARACTER and the ONE we should be focusing on to learn the proper interpretation, there is NO chance of understanding or interpreting Daniel. And Daniel has more than 35 misinterpretations or missing interpretations that are labeled in today's scholarly papers as "accepted interpretations". If you look for the Messiah in Daniel you will find Him. If you look for characters in our history b0oks to match to the verses  in Daniel  - you may find some (like those found in the first few chapters where Daniel even  tells us who they are so there is no mistaken their identity). But beginning with chapter 7 there are NO characters or actors in Daniel that will be found in our history books - not ONE.  

Daniel is meant to prophesize primarily about the coming Messiah and the coming little horn who will corrupt His Word and His earthly kingdom. This individual is clearly identified as the little horn of chapter 7 and 8 and you will also find him in later chapters of Daniel. You will NOT find some AC figure in Daniel UNLESS  you choose to label this little horn as the AC (but he is not the AC). The little horn is the papacy of papal Rome who has been hiding in plain site - for most of the Christian community.  

The reason I continued to write more than what was necessary is because your interpretations and understandings of Daniel are so foreign to me that it would take a few light years to discuss and I really believe you are serious and sincere in your beliefs..... And because your interpretations of Daniel are so so different it  means they transfer to your interpretations of Revelation... simply too much to address and I thought I would purge my thoughts and move on. 

Best wishes, Charlie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[truth7t7]

2 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I guess it is just a coincidence that the 70 weeks prophecy fits perfectly with the command to build and restore Jerusalem  (457 BC) - and by the way, after the Jews were punished in captivity for 70 years for their transgressions, and then over the next 483 years all of this prophecy was fulfilled to the DAY (end of the 69th week) and then on the first day of the 70th week the MESSIAH was baptized in the Jordan to begin His ministry for the coming 7 last years of the 490 year prophecy.

Did you miss that? Or perhaps you are thinking there are two of these identical events that will take place - the 490 years prophecy culminating with the coming of the Messiah, and an "end time" prophecy that is based on 490 DAYS?

How do you explain or perhaps … how do you dismiss how this fits perfectly and exactly with the coming Messiah? 

What covenant do you believe this is referring to? Could it be the New Covenant mentioned and prophesized by Jeremiah?

What "vision" is sealed up? The vision identified in Daniel 7 or 8?

Who is the only One that will be anointed? Perhaps the coming Messiah?

What does the NT say about the Messiah and those things HE fulfilled? Did He simply come to die on the Cross and be resurrected? What was accomplished by these terrible events? (the 6 things in 9:24-27 maybe?)

You say "Daniel had no restrictions in writing "exact numerology" and this is when you list your examples. I do agree with SOME of them but they are NOT all days as you may think. But have you also reviewed other verses in the OT that DO USE OR APPLY A DAY FOR A YEAR principle? There should not be any restrictions on Daniel NOT being able to write prophetic verses NOT  using "exact numerology?.  

Have you studied the basis for just about everyone agreeing this represents years and not days? There are many good papers on this and should give you something to consider.

Daniel certainly has many verses that speak to the "true end of times" but most of his writings deal with the coming Messiah and the coming little horn out of the 4th kingdom - they are ALL future events from Daniel's perspective but there are two separate visions mentioned / identified in chapters 7 and 8 - once is termed the "chazon vision" which covers from Babylon to the end of days and everything in between. The other is found in chapter 8 and is termed the "mareh vision" and is found in  verse 8:14 and 8:26. This speaks of a very specific period of time that fits within the long term "chazon vision". This refers to the 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy. Most denominations, especially the SDA claim this does not mean what it says but converts it (and just about every time element they can find) into a "day  for a year" application. Because they can not identify or interpret the true meaning of the time element. 

The only way to determine the meaning of each time element is to look at the context it is being written about. 

Example" perhaps 100 % contend the 2300 days or really years,

Perhaps 100% content the "7 times" in chapter 4 (Nebuchadnezzar exists as an animal) is for 7 years,

Perhaps 100% content the "time, times and 1/2 time" means 3.5 years,

Perhaps 90% believe 1290 and 1335 days means years (and they all place these events at "end times",

Perhaps 90 % contend the 70 weeks prophecy (the one you are referring to) means years while maybe the remaining 10% (don't know who this folks are or what denomination they are from) think it is an end time event in days,

And these are just the ones found in Daniel.... But when they can not interpret the time element they seem to throw it and its related interpretation far in the future and treat it as an "end time event". NO.... Until we realize that the Tanakh and certainly Daniel has as their MAIN CHARACTER and the ONE we should be focusing on to learn the proper interpretation, there is NO chance of understanding or interpreting Daniel. And Daniel has more than 35 misinterpretations or missing interpretations that are labeled in today's scholarly papers as "accepted interpretations". If you look for the Messiah in Daniel you will find Him. If you look for characters in our history b0oks to match to the verses  in Daniel  - you may find some (like those found in the first few chapters where Daniel even  tells us who they are so there is no mistaken their identity). But beginning with chapter 7 there are NO characters or actors in Daniel that will be found in our history books - not ONE.  

Daniel is meant to prophesize primarily about the coming Messiah and the coming little horn who will corrupt His Word and His earthly kingdom. This individual is clearly identified as the little horn of chapter 7 and 8 and you will also find him in later chapters of Daniel. You will NOT find some AC figure in Daniel UNLESS  you choose to label this little horn as the AC (but he is not the AC). The little horn is the papacy of papal Rome who has been hiding in plain site - for most of the Christian community.  

The reason I continued to write more than what was necessary is because your interpretations and understandings of Daniel are so foreign to me that it would take a few light years to discuss and I really believe you are serious and sincere in your beliefs..... And because your interpretations of Daniel are so so different it  means they transfer to your interpretations of Revelation... simply too much to address and I thought I would purge my thoughts and move on. 

Best wishes, Charlie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its really simple Charlie, Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

 

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

 

(Four Hundred Ninety Years) He Didn't

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Its really simple Charlie, Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

 

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

 

(Four Hundred Ninety Years) He Didn't

I guess that means you have no desire to read and review all the brilliant work many others have spent their time and energy preparing.... It is clear it took you maybe 3 seconds to  respond to my rather lengthy response - and the only comment you could make is "it is simple"... and you could not possibly address any of the questions I raised.... I am sorry but I will not be responding to any of your posts... and it is not because we disagree... it is because you can not discuss, learn, share interpretations or theories... I have witnessed many of your responses to others and they all end up the same way (similar response) - it is simple, here it is and that is that, or we disagree and that is that... or like the one above (your scholarly work - "He didn't".

I was not upset with you until your response to mine occurred no more than 3 seconds after I posted it... that speaks volumes and I think I will not be responding to any of your posts again. Best wishes, "I won't" Charlie

 

 

 

[truth7t7]

33 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I guess that means you have no desire to read and review all the brilliant work many others have spent their time and energy preparing.... It is clear it took you maybe 3 seconds to  respond to my rather lengthy response - and the only comment you could make is "it is simple"... and you could not possibly address any of the questions I raised.... I am sorry but I will not be responding to any of your posts... and it is not because we disagree... it is because you can not discuss, learn, share interpretations or theories... I have witnessed many of your responses to others and they all end up the same way (similar response) - it is simple, here it is and that is that, or we disagree and that is that... or like the one above (your scholarly work - "He didn't".

I was not upset with you until your response to mine occurred no more than 3 seconds after I posted it... that speaks volumes and I think I will not be responding to any of your posts again. Best wishes, "I won't" Charlie

 

 

 

It's not rocket science Charlie, it's simple and easy to understand, 70 weeks isn't 490 years, it's 490 days

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years)

2 Corinthians 11:3KJV

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Edited June 17, 2022 by truth7t7

[abcdef]

On 6/14/2022 at 10:05 AM, DeighAnn said:

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

On 6/14/2022 at 10:05 AM, DeighAnn said:

Are you saying that Messiah was cut off and then HIS people (Christians) came and destroyed the city and the sanctuary?

I am sure I have that way wrong and will just await clarification from you

Remember the post about the waters being armies? I gave one example of Isa 8:7-8.

It says that the Lord brought up the Syrian armies against the people of Israel.

This "people of the prince" is the same circumstance, meaning that the armies are under the control of God.

In Dan. 9:26, the armies are Rome that destroy the the city and the sanctuary, but it is Jesus/God who controls the armies to destroy Jerusalem. 

No one could destroy the temple except that Jesus/God would remove His covenant protection over the city and its people.

 Another example of God bringing armies against Israel is Ezek 38:4. God puts hooks in their jaws to do His will.

The "people of the prince" are not the people under the covenant, they are the people who do the will of God, by God/Jesus bringing them against the people who have forsaken Jesus and the covenant confirmed.

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If we say that the "people of the prince" are in the 33-70 AD context, then history shows that it was Rome and Caesar who destroyed the city and the sanctuary. So the "people of the prince" would be Roman armies, Caesar, and Rome under the control of Jesus/God to desolate Jerusalem, which they did.

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If we tried to say that the "people of the prince" is the Pentecost gospel kingdom of Israel/(church), then we would have The gospel spiritual kingdom fighting a material weapons war instead of a spiritual sword weapons war.

I mean it doesn't seem to fit, to have the gospel kingdom of Israel attacking Jerusalem.

Is the Antichrist who destroys Jerusalem and the sanctuary in 70 AD a Christian? No.

Christians, the gospel kingdom of Israel, would not desolate Jerusalem, their hometown. 

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Think about this, Jn 19:15, "We have no king but Caesar".

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On 6/14/2022 at 10:10 AM, DeighAnn said:

But Israel wasn't Israel anymore, was it?  It was already under Roman rule.  They had the temple but they weren't running their own country anymore.  They had priests but they didn't have an army, did they?  So I don't understand the war part.  

The statue in Dan. 2 shows the people of Israel under the control of the gentile nations.

The statue begins at the head gold when Jerusalem falls to Babylon. 

The statue ends when Jerusalem is restored to the control of the people of Israel at the end of the toes.

The main factors int he statue are the people of Israel and the situation of Jerusalem n relation to them.

The story of the people of Israel did not end because they were ruled by gentile nations. 

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The war in Dan. 9 is between Rome and a continual rebellion by Israel.

History shows millions died.

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On 6/14/2022 at 10:16 AM, DeighAnn said:

Again, Jerusalem wasn't Israel's and hadn't been since they were taken into captivity by Nebo king of Babylon. 

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On 6/14/2022 at 10:16 AM, DeighAnn said:

Cyrus had allowed them to go back and rebuild the temple but they never 'became' a nation again, not until 1948. 

1948 was when the nation was recognized by some gentile nations.

But 1967 is when the process was completed, finished, when Jerusalem was restored to Israel's control.

 

On 6/14/2022 at 10:16 AM, DeighAnn said:

So the temple was desolate as it no longer was,  but Jerusalem continued on, just not under GODS kingdom.   

yes

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On 6/16/2022 at 3:15 AM, DeighAnn said:

Dead Sea Scrolls proved otherwise.  

Maybe I didn't communicate my point correctly.

What I was saying was that  Matt 24, Mk 13, and Lk 21 are not, word for word, exactly the same.

There are differences in the texts.

These difference must be accounted for to understand the texts correctly.

 

On 6/16/2022 at 3:15 AM, DeighAnn said:

How can that be? When we are told

  It doesn't fit.

 

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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As I pointed out, these verses are about the time after 70 AD.

Matt 24:1-28, the 33 AD - 70 AD time period. The events leading up to the surrounding and the destruction of the city and the sanctuary.

Matt 24:29, 70 AD-1967.

Matt:24:30-31, the promise that Israel will be gathered from the scattering among the gentile nations to restore Jerusalem. Just before 1967, about 40 years

The sign of His coming is the restoration of Jerusalem.

 

On 6/16/2022 at 3:15 AM, DeighAnn said:

How can that be?  Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, 

If he is cut off before the 70th, how can the beginning be in the 70th?

Jesus' ministry begins in 30 AD. After the 69 weeks have ended and the 70th week has begun.

Jesus is cut off 3 1/2 weeks (years) after He began His ministry, that makes 33 1/2 AD.

The death, resurrection, and the beginning of the new covenant Pentecost gospel kingdom continued to confirm the covenant. 33 1/2 AD.

The covenant with the people of Israel continued until Israel rejected the gospel kingdom and broke the covenant, ended the confirmed covenant, in 37 AD, ending the 70th week. 

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Edited June 18, 2022 by abcdef