choir loft Posted September 30, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,209 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/10/1947 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) On 9/25/2022 at 6:32 AM, BeyondET said: I was wrong, the knowledge tree of good and evil was created and planted. Please quote chapter and verse where the Bible says the knowledge of good and evil was created and planted. The tree was planted, but the knowledge of good and evil was STOLEN by Eve and Adam. It was STOLEN because God said it wasn't for them. Nevertheless Eve became the first SINNER. The phrase "knowledge of good and evil" first appears in Genesis 2:17. It refers to the 1st command or LAW God gave to the ones He'd created in the garden. It also refers to the consequence of SIN/disobedience/faithlessness. The consequence of SIN is DEATH. (Romans 6:23) It's generally understood this 'knowledge' means 'opinion'. When one turns their back upon God and God's LAW one inevitably forms one's own opinion of things which may or may not (usually not) be true and accurate. Such opinions are generally self-destructive in the physical sense as well as death itself spiritually. The sons and daughters of Eve were thus forever condemned to what is now considered to be the NATURAL cycle of birth life and death. There is no such thing as an eternal spirit in man, no inherent ability to survive physical death. Humans live and die like any cockroach or dog. Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. (Ecclesiastes 3:19) THIS IS WHY Jesus and the apostles insisted most vehemently that one MUST be Born Again of the spirit of God in order to inherit immortality. The Second Birth is a birth of the Spirit of God, NOT a rejuvenation of the spirit of man (which doesn't exist in the first place). Therefore let us confess and repent of our SINs and wickedness and humbly seek peace with God WHO ALONE IS IMMORTAL (1 Timothy 6:16). that's me, hollering from the choir loft... Edited September 30, 2022 by choir loft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted October 20, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,868 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) On 9/30/2022 at 8:52 AM, choir loft said: I'm not familiar with that particular accusation. The 'she' Bible? I think the claim the KJV was scrapped is a bit of a stretch. There are many today who believe it to be the absolute true version. Problems with translation and idiomatic constructions aren't considered at all, though they are eminently obvious to even the most casual reader. What is meant by 'she' Bible? Thanks ahead of time for expanding on this..... that's me, hollering from the choir loft... It's a rare print of the earliest known KJV addition 1611. Apparently there was a typo and it was reprinted with the proper he instead of she. Here's a link on it, worth some cash too lol. https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-32705720.amp?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16662441608258&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2 Edited October 20, 2022 by BeyondET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted October 20, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,868 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) On 9/30/2022 at 9:04 AM, choir loft said: Please quote chapter and verse where the Bible says the knowledge of good and evil was created and planted. The tree was planted, but the knowledge of good and evil was STOLEN by Eve and Adam. It was STOLEN because God said it wasn't for them. Nevertheless Eve became the first SINNER. The phrase "knowledge of good and evil" first appears in Genesis 2:17. It refers to the 1st command or LAW God gave to the ones He'd created in the garden. It also refers to the consequence of SIN/disobedience/faithlessness. The consequence of SIN is DEATH. (Romans 6:23) It's generally understood this 'knowledge' means 'opinion'. When one turns their back upon God and God's LAW one inevitably forms one's own opinion of things which may or may not (usually not) be true and accurate. Such opinions are generally self-destructive in the physical sense as well as death itself spiritually. The sons and daughters of Eve were thus forever condemned to what is now considered to be the NATURAL cycle of birth life and death. There is no such thing as an eternal spirit in man, no inherent ability to survive physical death. Humans live and die like any cockroach or dog. Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. (Ecclesiastes 3:19) THIS IS WHY Jesus and the apostles insisted most vehemently that one MUST be Born Again of the spirit of God in order to inherit immortality. The Second Birth is a birth of the Spirit of God, NOT a rejuvenation of the spirit of man (which doesn't exist in the first place). Therefore let us confess and repent of our SINs and wickedness and humbly seek peace with God WHO ALONE IS IMMORTAL (1 Timothy 6:16). that's me, hollering from the choir loft... God planted the garden with every tree in it before placing man in the garden of coarse He created the tree of good and evil. Who else created the tree? Where did God get the tree to plant? If there is no such thing then there would have been no need to guard a tree from man who if ate of the tree of life would live forever as mortals. it's mentioned in scripture surely you know of them? Edited October 20, 2022 by BeyondET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choir loft Posted October 20, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,209 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/10/1947 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 hours ago, BeyondET said: God planted the garden with every tree in it before placing man in the garden of coarse He created the tree of good and evil. Who else created the tree? Where did God get the tree to plant? If there is no such thing then there would have been no need to guard a tree from man who if ate of the tree of life would live forever as mortals. it's mentioned in scripture surely you know of them? At issue here is the first definition and occurrence of SIN in the Bible. The second issue is failure to answer a request for scriptural foundations for false assertions. It has nothing to do with botany or who the gardener might have been. It's about TRUST & OBEDIENCE, the twin pillars of righteousness repeatedly stated in scripture. (Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:3 & Galatians 3:6) Our DUTY unto God is the issue. It's not about the tree and it's not about whatever fruit hangs on it. It's about Eve and Adam trusting God's Word and acting upon His command. This is the nature of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil - personal opinion vs. duty to obey God. The name of the fruit was OPINION. Eve took it upon herself to believe God is a liar, that she wouldn't die if she acted upon the authority of the tempter and that adopting her own opinion would justify her actions. She and her progeny have lived and died according to the authority they've given to the tempter and it's agent ever since. God didn't lie, Eve died and humanity has suffered her disgrace ever since. Yet there is an even greater mystery to the Eden story of the fall of humanity. Arguing about duty and SIN won't reveal it. Only a deep understanding of the heart of God and His purposes will lift the curtain on it. A clue to the nature of the mystery can be found when one looks upon the cross and He who died upon it. that's me, hollering from the choir loft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choir loft Posted October 20, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,209 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/10/1947 Share Posted October 20, 2022 6 hours ago, BeyondET said: It's a rare print of the earliest known KJV addition 1611. Apparently there was a typo and it was reprinted with the proper he instead of she. Here's a link on it, worth some cash too lol. https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-32705720.amp?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16662441608258&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2 Interesting story. CL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted October 26, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,868 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 10/20/2022 at 7:42 AM, choir loft said: At issue here is the first definition and occurrence of SIN in the Bible. The second issue is failure to answer a request for scriptural foundations for false assertions. It has nothing to do with botany or who the gardener might have been. It's about TRUST & OBEDIENCE, the twin pillars of righteousness repeatedly stated in scripture. (Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:3 & Galatians 3:6) Our DUTY unto God is the issue. It's not about the tree and it's not about whatever fruit hangs on it. It's about Eve and Adam trusting God's Word and acting upon His command. This is the nature of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil - personal opinion vs. duty to obey God. The name of the fruit was OPINION. Eve took it upon herself to believe God is a liar, that she wouldn't die if she acted upon the authority of the tempter and that adopting her own opinion would justify her actions. She and her progeny have lived and died according to the authority they've given to the tempter and it's agent ever since. God didn't lie, Eve died and humanity has suffered her disgrace ever since. Yet there is an even greater mystery to the Eden story of the fall of humanity. Arguing about duty and SIN won't reveal it. Only a deep understanding of the heart of God and His purposes will lift the curtain on it. A clue to the nature of the mystery can be found when one looks upon the cross and He who died upon it. that's me, hollering from the choir loft... It wouldn't surprise me if one day people think all the scripture stories are just figures of speeches nothing real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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