The Word of God (Scripture)

[The_Patriot21]

2 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Totally disagree, the only way of knowing one is born again, is when God testifies with our spirit that we are his child...you don’t need scripture, to be supernaturally birthed in the Spirit....show me where it says that? Thanks.

Gods Word is ALIVE...yes?

Yes but how do you know that spirit is of God, and not of a devil? By comparing it to scripture. Scripture is God's holy word, if whatever you are doing isn't in scripture, then it's not of God. 

Saying you can have salvation without the message given to us through scripture, is false. I'm not going to list all the verses-Enoob has already done an excellent job of doing that so I see no reason to repeat that.

Scripture says that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, and it says that the Bible is God's holy word. You really cannot separate the two.

[kwikphilly]

16 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

My birthing in Spirit came..only God can supernaturally birth us in the Spirit, which is a living Birth...not head knowledge, heart knowledge from the word of God..that penetrates the Heart/ Spirit of his child........NO BIBLE in sight!!..the word of God lives in my heart, without it I couldn’t live!!....His word is ALIVE in the hearts of His children.....never to be erased by this false teaching, that you must read your bible,ONLY ,to be birthed in the Spirit...absolute junk and dead religious talk, ......Praise God for that LIVING Spiritual BIRTH.....HALLELUJAH!!...in Jesus Name....Amen!!

◄ Romans 8:16 ►

Verse  (Click for Chapter) King James Bible The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: New King James Version The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, American Standard Version The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God: Berean Study Bible The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Douay-Rheims Bible For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God.  English Revised Version The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God: World English Bible The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; Young's Literal Translation The Spirit himself doth testify with our spirit, that we are children of God;   Home > John > Chapter 3 > Verse 8 John 3:8 John 3:8, NIV: The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.' John 3:8, ESV: The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” John 3:8, KJV: The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:8, NASB: The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it is coming from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.'

 

Perfect timing Dear Sister...

The spirit is Made Alive in Christ Jesus,the New Birth or reBirth or being Born Again( however you choose to say) .No one is disputing this,the fact of the matter is that this took place by Believing God's Word( Jesus) - it is by Faith we Receive God's Grace through Spirit . 

Enoob never said,you can only be Born Again by reading the Bible- no he did not,he said by God's Word...   If it comes by The Scriptures Written in a Bible,on a scroll,or by the Word Made Flesh or in Spirit - He( Jesus) is THE WORD

So,having said this.  . Since we are so very Blessed to have not only the Words Written on our Hearts but also to be able to have the Written Word in a Bible..... Do you not hunger and thirst for that Daily Bread at your fingertips? Of course you do!

For enoob & myself I cannot imagine myself not having a Bible- I know people who have come to their Faith through a Bible,through hearing,through the manifestation of Christ Himself never have even heard of Christianity......Faith Comes by hearing the Word of God! However God Reveals His Word.  .....love you,your Sis

[The_Patriot21]

6 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

The message is given to his children through his LIVING word...so I’m afraid your teaching is false.

it sounds like you aren’t comprehending what the Living word of God means...as I already explained God testified with my spirit that I am his child....and there it was in scripture...when I immediately went out and bought a bible...I am Born Again.

And again, please show me in God’s word, that you must read your bible to be birthed  in the  Spirit ?

Gods Word is Alive in you heart/ spirit, Yes?

The living word is the Bible. You cannot separate the two. If what you believe is against the Bible, then it's not the living word of God.

You can't add a definition to a word, to make it say what you want it to. That's not the word of God, that is an excuse to push in your own agenda. And that is all I have to say on the matter.

[enoob57]

On 1/9/2023 at 9:13 AM, Mr. M said:

Paul is not stating a Law, he is pointing to a condition,

for which Christ has already given us the remedy.

Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you,

Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child,

he shall not enter therein.

It is not simply a willingness to choose,

but a heart made right to receive.

 

On 1/9/2023 at 9:19 AM, Mr. M said:

A different word is used here, that means "have no room for".

Matthew 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying,

save they to whom it is given.

This is addressed similarly here:

John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me,

because my word hath no place in you.

Just so I am sure I am understanding you correctly- are you saying the Word of God is inept to effect anything in the hearer unless God does an additional work to impower it?

[Mr. M]

Greetings to all! @kwikphilly, @Rosie1jack2pauline3, @enoob57,

@The_Patriot21, et al. in the Love of Christ!

1 Peter 1:

22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth

through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren,

love one another fervently with a pure heart, 

23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, 

through the word of God which lives and abides forever.

I fully accepted Christ as Savior through Catholic confirmation

at age 12. After serving the U.S. in the Navy for 8 years, and drifting

for a few more, I returned to the Lord at age 30. I wanted to know

what this "born-again Christian" stuff meant as it had become 

popular among evangelicals in the 80's to refer to themselves

as such and I was not familiar with the term from Catholicism.

After reading 1 Peter 1:22, 23 is when I realized that

I was NOT born again! Loving others fervently, from a pure heart?

Didn't sound like me! What I know, now over 30 years later, is that

the Word of God, by Faith, becomes active only by obedience.

As Paul writes:

Romans 1:

 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship

for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 

6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

Only by a commitment to bond servitude to Christ and His 

Purpose can we be transformed in our hearts, certainly not

simply quoting scripture, or something we have been taught

in a Bible class. By this we:

2 Peter 3:

18  grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord

and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

It should go without saying that this is only accomplished

by the inner working of the promised Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one

speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one

can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

I know that millions have gladly accepted Christ as their

Savior, being told that this is the assurance of heaven. Far

fewer have served in humility; washing the feet of the saints,

and "convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and the

judgment to come". I learned to love the unlovable in rescue

missions and street outreach ministry, not in church on 

Sunday, and certainly not in this new experience of "Christian

chat forums". This Word has to change you:

James 1:21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow

of wickedness, and receive with humility the implanted word, 

which is able to save your souls.

John 5:38 But you do not have His word abiding in you,

because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

John 8:37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants,

but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.

 

Luke 17:10 So likewise you, when you have done all those things

which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants.

We have done what was our duty to do.'

Hopefully this thread can end on that somber note, with no

apologies for the heavy-handed use of scriptures, as I am oft

criticized for, as we all must move past the "mustard seed"

of faith once received, and not hear "I never knew you",

but "Well done, good and faithful SERVANT".

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into

subjection, lest, when I have preached to others,

I myself should become disqualified.

[The_Patriot21]

2 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Greetings to all! @kwikphilly, @Rosie1jack2pauline3, @enoob57,

@The_Patriot21, et al. in the Love of Christ!

1 Peter 1:

22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth

through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren,

love one another fervently with a pure heart, 

23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, 

through the word of God which lives and abides forever.

I fully accepted Christ as Savior through Catholic confirmation

at age 12. After serving the U.S. in the Navy for 8 years, and drifting

for a few more, I returned to the Lord at age 30. I wanted to know

what this "born-again Christian" stuff meant as it had become 

popular among evangelicals in the 80's to refer to themselves

as such and I was not familiar with the term from Catholicism.

After reading 1 Peter 1:22, 23 is when I realized that

I was NOT born again! Loving others fervently, from a pure heart?

Didn't sound like me! What I know, now over 30 years later, is that

the Word of God, by Faith, becomes active only by obedience.

As Paul writes:

Romans 1:

 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship

for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 

6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

Only by a commitment to bond servitude to Christ and His 

Purpose can we be transformed in our hearts, certainly not

simply quoting scripture, or something we have been taught

in a Bible class. By this we:

2 Peter 3:

18  grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord

and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

It should go without saying that this is only accomplished

by the inner working of the promised Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one

speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one

can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

I know that millions have gladly accepted Christ as their

Savior, being told that this is the assurance of heaven. Far

fewer have served in humility; washing the feet of the saints,

and "convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and the

judgment to come". I learned to love the unlovable in rescue

missions and street outreach ministry, not in church on 

Sunday, and certainly not in this new experience of "Christian

chat forums". This Word has to change you:

James 1:21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow

of wickedness, and receive with humility the implanted word, 

which is able to save your souls.

John 5:38 But you do not have His word abiding in you,

because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

John 8:37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants,

but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.

 

Luke 17:10 So likewise you, when you have done all those things

which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants.

We have done what was our duty to do.'

Hopefully this thread can end on that somber note, with no

apologies for the heavy-handed use of scriptures, as I am oft

criticized for, as we all must move past the "mustard seed"

of faith once received, and not hear "I never knew you",

but "Well done, good and faithful SERVANT".

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into

subjection, lest, when I have preached to others,

I myself should become disqualified.

No one said scripture saved you-but, being that it is the only real way to learn about who God is, it means the two go hand in hand.

[Mr. M]

36 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

 

Just so I am sure I am understanding you correctly- are you saying the Word of God is inept to effect anything in the hearer unless God does an additional work to impower it?

The Holy Spirit "endues with power". We must obey Him or else "settle

on the lees"

Romans 1:

9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel

of His Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you

always in my prayers,

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is

the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, 

for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 

7 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith;

as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

Live It, Love It, you gonna like it! (DC Talk)

[Mr. M]

43 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

 

Just so I am sure I am understanding you correctly- are you saying the Word of God is inept to effect anything in the hearer unless God does an additional work to impower it?

Millions have heard and ignored the Word of God. They have rejected 

the conviction of the Spirit. John 16:9-11.

[enoob57]

Gen 4:8
8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
KJV

So Cain made a decision, didn't he? If we are of a Calvinistic bent, they say God made this decision in Cain as Cain had no individual ability to choose for himself... they call it total depravity and teach all children of Adam are dead dead and have no longer any ability in themselves to choose anything other than sin... And the fact that God said they 'do' hold no effect upon what they believe... 
Gen 4:7
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door
KJV

This conditional statement of God- doest well or doest not well to a child of Adam who, according to their doctrine, can only doest not well leaves the reader in quandary why would God put it this way ... Fact- if they can only doest not well then God is misleading us in reasoning...  may it never be thought God hides His reasoning with us...
Isaiah 1:18 (KJV)
[18] Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

So unfortunately, the doctrine we adhere to now will take us in two very different directions: did Cain make this decision and faces judgment for it OR God make this decision and Cain faces judgment for it... 

[kwikphilly]

3 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Gen 4:8
8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
KJV

So Cain made a decision, didn't he? If we are of a Calvinistic bent, they say God made this decision in Cain as Cain had no individual ability to choose for himself... they call it total depravity and teach all children of Adam are dead dead and have no longer any ability in themselves to choose anything other than sin... And the fact that God said they do hold no effect upon what they believe... 
Gen 4:7
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door
KJV

This conditional statement of God- doest well or doest not well to a child of Adam who, according to their doctrine, can only doest not well leaves the reader in quandary why would God put it this way ... Fact- if they can only doest not well then God is misleading us in reasoning...  may it never be thought God hides His reasoning with us...
Isaiah 1:18 (KJV)
[18] Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

So unfortunately, the doctrine we adhere to now will take us in two very different directions: did Cain make this decision and faces judgment for it OR God make this decision and Cain faces judgment for it... 

Well you already know I do not agree with Calvinism.Scriprure just doesn't support that idea- I mean why would God Be Long Suffering ...  I Know God's Ways are much Higher than mine but He Does Not Do anything without Reason

I like both your & MrMs input- we have Embraced the Word of God,Convicted by His Spirit and Humbly submitted ourselves to the Obedience of Christ Jesus ....to LOVE,Love God & Love others

And by the Grace of God we are Sealed for the Day of Redemption❤️👍