Shilohsfoal Posted October 15, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: No....Jesus disciples asked Jesus two separate questions in Mat 24: 1. When will be the Destruction of the Temple? 2. What will be the sign of your coming/end of the world? Jesus answered both, but that does not mean both have to happen at the same time. The desolation of Jerusalem and the Temple happened in 70 AD. The Great Tribulation and his 2nd Coming is still to come. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [doth gather] her brood under [her] wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord. - Luk 13:34-35 KJV And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, {Question 1}when shall these things be {Destruction of the Temple}? This happened in 70 AD. {Question 2} and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Still to come. - Mat 24:1-3 KJV No mention of a rebuilt/man-made Jerusalem Temple in the Book of Revelation. So you believe when Jesus said the word "then" in "for then will be great tribulation" that "then" means thousands of years after the abomination of desolation is set in Jerusalem. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 15, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: No....Jesus disciples asked Jesus two separate questions in Mat 24: 1. When will be the Destruction of the Temple? 2. What will be the sign of your coming/end of the world? Jesus answered both, but that does not mean both have to happen at the same time. The desolation of Jerusalem and the Temple happened in 70 AD. The Great Tribulation and his 2nd Coming is still to come. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [doth gather] her brood under [her] wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord. - Luk 13:34-35 KJV And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, {Question 1}when shall these things be {Destruction of the Temple}? This happened in 70 AD. {Question 2} and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Still to come. - Mat 24:1-3 KJV No mention of a rebuilt/man-made Jerusalem Temple in the Book of Revelation. Well, with the teaching you have recieved, I don't believe you have or would be able to see the relationship between the armed forces of the king of the north, the second beast with two horns in Rev 13, and the two witnesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted October 16, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Well, with the teaching you have recieved, I don't believe you have or would be able to see the relationship between the armed forces of the king of the north, the second beast with two horns in Rev 13, and the two witnesses. What are you calling the King of the North? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 16, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: What are you calling the King of the North? The king of the north from Daniel 11:21-45. In verse 21 he comes to power. In verse 45 he comes to his end. His armed forces begin its occupation of Jerusalem in verse 31 which is 42 months before the time of the end. They occupy Jerusalem 42 months. A time, times, and a half. https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-7.htm https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-2.htm Edited October 16, 2022 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted October 23, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,119 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted October 23, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 8:34 PM, Shilohsfoal said: The king of the north from Daniel 11:21-45. In verse 21 he comes to power. In verse 45 he comes to his end. Incorrect. In verse 38 we read "But in his place/office..." Every time this phrase is used in Daniel 11 (verses 7, 20, 21, and 38), it denotes a change in human rulership. The "king of the north" is a spirit, a heavenly sar/ruler over a nation, who possesses or controls a line of human kings that take the throne serially. So the king who came to power in verse 21, Antiochus Epiphanes, has already died by verse 38. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted October 24, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 24, 2022 I like how the Septuagint reads of Daniel 11:31 Dan 7:31 LXX And seeds shall spring up out of him, and they shall profane the sanctuary of strength, and they shall remove the perpetual [sacrifice], and make the abomination desolate. vs. Dan 7:31 KJV And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. It was not the Greeks (Antiochus IV Epiphanes) who made Jerusalem desolate and stopped the daily sacrifices but Titus of the Roman Army that desolated and stopped the daily sacrifices of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 25, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) On 10/23/2022 at 4:05 PM, WilliamL said: Incorrect. In verse 38 we read "But in his place/office..." Every time this phrase is used in Daniel 11 (verses 7, 20, 21, and 38), it denotes a change in human rulership. The "king of the north" is a spirit, a heavenly sar/ruler over a nation, who possesses or controls a line of human kings that take the throne serially. So the king who came to power in verse 21, Antiochus Epiphanes, has already died by verse 38. Just because this king worships a God his fathers didn't does mean there's is a different king. Same king and no change between dan11:21-45 You are incorrect. Edited October 25, 2022 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 25, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 19 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: I like how the Septuagint reads of Daniel 11:31 Dan 7:31 LXX And seeds shall spring up out of him, and they shall profane the sanctuary of strength, and they shall remove the perpetual [sacrifice], and make the abomination desolate. vs. Dan 7:31 KJV And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. It was not the Greeks (Antiochus IV Epiphanes) who made Jerusalem desolate and stopped the daily sacrifices but Titus of the Roman Army that desolated and stopped the daily sacrifices of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Sacrifices are performed daily in Israel today. Those sacrifices are not for God though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted October 25, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 Back to the original question before it was side tracked. Who sees the relationship between the three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted October 25, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Sacrifices are performed daily in Israel today. Those sacrifices are not for God though. No accordance with Levitical law spelled out in Torah. The are many requirements before the proper levitical sacrificial system can be reimplemented. One of the big one's is the proper red heifer with out spot, in order to cleans the priest and tabernacle and all its equipment and utensils. No red heifer to date has been approved. There is also the issue of the ark of the covenant (some say not required/some say they already have it) but according to levitcal law the ark had to have blood applied to it by the high-priest once a year for the atonement of Israel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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