AlsoBroken Posted February 6, 2023 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 66 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/30/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2023 All the “Why”s about our existence (and inherited sin) that we can come up with are destined to blow in the wind, because our finite minds cannot even begin to grasp God’s Why. I can understand a little about Why He created lesser beings but how it is that we are each responsible for being SINFUL - after being born into sin, in a world system basically belonging to Satan - has never made sense to me. It’s like throwing someone into the ocean, then telling them they have to repent for getting wet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Orthodoxy Posted February 6, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 134 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/22/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, AlsoBroken said: in a world system basically belonging to Satan - has never made sense to me. It’s like throwing someone into the ocean, then telling them they have to repent for getting wet. Agreed. Hard to understand. Adams original righteousness ceased to exist and in its place was introduced a state of moral corruption. And this new state of moral corruption is now Adam and Eve's natural state or condition and it is passed by the common course of nature to all their posterity. Everything follows from seeds of it own nature. No black crow ever produces a white dove, nor a ferocious lion a gentle lamb and no man polluted with inborn sin ever begets a holy child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coheir Posted February 6, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,458 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 729 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1950 Share Posted February 6, 2023 57 minutes ago, Dead Orthodoxy said: Agreed. Hard to understand. Adams original righteousness ceased to exist and in its place was introduced a state of moral corruption. And this new state of moral corruption is now Adam and Eve's natural state or condition and it is passed by the common course of nature to all their posterity. Everything follows from seeds of it own nature. No black crow ever produces a white dove, nor a ferocious lion a gentle lamb and no man polluted with inborn sin ever begets a holy child. Ok you have convinced me I know very very little about what the Bible says. And I am now convinced I should not engage anyone in conversations about the Bible. I think I should just read and keep quite. I do not want to give out the wrong information and it appears that is what I have done, at least in your opinion. I have removed all my post in this thread. Sorry for any thing I said wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coheir Posted February 6, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,458 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 729 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1950 Share Posted February 6, 2023 6 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said: That’s a shame because I like reading your posts, I understand a lot of your posts, please be encouraged to engage.🙏💗 Thanks Rosie1jack2pauline3 The only knowledge I have is I read the bible twice and read bunch of other books but I have no formal training at all. Many here are head and shoulders above me. I have to rethink every thing if I am giving out the wrong info on this forum or in my personal life. I would hate to hear "I never knew you". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesed Posted February 7, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 310 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 154 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 5:44 AM, Justin Adams said: To speak to the OP: there is no such thing as "original Sin". That is an Augustinian invenstion. Sure we will all sin and past the age of accountability, who knows. The only sure thing we inherit from Adam is ORIGINAL DEATH. Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned— If you allow for original death, then by this verse one ought to allow for original sin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted February 7, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.94 Reputation: 7,798 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2023 12 hours ago, chesed said: Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned— If you allow for original death, then by this verse one ought to allow for original sin. Sorry but you are incorrect. Read it again and see. Babies that do not sin are not held accountable for Adam's sin, but inherit his death. In a fallen world, anyone will eventually sin, but 'original sin' is a major misuse of the texts and an RCC way of subduing the masses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesed Posted February 7, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 310 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 154 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Justin Adams said: Sorry but you are incorrect. Read it again and see. Babies that do not sin are not held accountable for Adam's sin, but inherit his death. In a fallen world, anyone will eventually sin, but 'original sin' is a major misuse of the texts and an RCC way of subduing the masses. ‘Not accountable for Adam’s sin but inherit his death’.? Sorry, but that sounds like doublespeak, sleight of hand 🤚. How can they inherit his death without being accountable for his sin?? That would be unjust on God’s part. ’RCC way of subduing the masses’ sounds like conspiracy/paranoia talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesed Posted February 7, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 310 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 154 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said: How can we be accountable for Adam and Eves sin..? Did we eat the apple?..just trying to understand Sis, they died when they ate that fruit, we inherited that death did we not?..🙏💗 It’s called ‘imputation’, it works the same way we are counted righteous by faith on account of the perfect righteousness of Christ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 7, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,878 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,770 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Justin Adams said: Sorry but you are incorrect. Read it again and see. Babies that do not sin are not held accountable for Adam's sin, but inherit his death. In a fallen world, anyone will eventually sin, but 'original sin' is a major misuse of the texts and an RCC way of subduing the masses. Everyone inherited death but not after the Cross.... The buck stopped there...it is not difficult to understand that... Not since the time Jesus Christ began to Judge the world according to their denial to believe in him... Our children they take from us. Everyone is responsible for him self... Edited February 7, 2023 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Orthodoxy Posted February 7, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 134 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/22/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, chesed said: It’s called ‘imputation’, it works the same way we are counted righteous by faith on account of the perfect righteousness of Christ. Adams original righteousness ceased to exist and in its place was introduced a state of moral corruption. And this new state of moral corruption is now Adam and Eve's natural state or condition and it is passed by the common course of nature to all their posterity. Everything follows from seeds of it own nature. I have quoted this before but it is appropriate No black crow ever produces a white dove, nor a ferocious lion a gentle lamb and no man polluted with inborn sin ever begets a holy child. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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