truth7t7 Posted March 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Retrobyter said: The "tribulation" has been going on for 2,023 A.D. - 70 A.D. = 1,953 years! "False" the great tribulation is future, and will start when the Jewish King/Ruler a human man that will be the antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God/Messiah The tribulation will be a time of trouble the world has never seen, it will last for 3.5 years, a future event unfulfilled Jesus Is The Lord Edited March 31, 2023 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted March 31, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,605 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,449 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 12 hours ago, truth7t7 said: Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained "Future"? Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days. If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below. Daniel 6:1KJV It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom; Daniel 8:14KJV And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Daniel 12:11KJV And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days. Daniel 10:2-3KJV 2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.  Shalom, "truth7t7." Right. Of course, I know that; so, that's NOT the real issue here, is it? It's putting a GAP between the 69th Week and the 70th Week WITHOUT PROOF OR VALID REASON! It was YEESHUWA` ("JESUS") who put the "GAP" in the 70 Weeks, and He didn't put it between the 69th and 70th Weeks but in the MIDDLE of the 70th Week! Gavriy'eel ("Gabriel"), who later announced the Messiah's birth to His mother, told Daniel that the Messiah would do THREE things: First, He would confirm the Covenant (the Davidic Covenant) to many for 7 years, just as His ancestor David had done for those of His tribe of Judah, the Jews. And, He confirmed or enforced this Covenant by simply and humbly allowing Himself to be immersed by John the Baptizer. The second thing He did was to cause the sacrifices and gifts to cease by being the LAST ACCEPTIBLE SACRIFICE TO GOD! While they continued to make sacrifices as long as the Temple existed, they were MEANINGLESS, because GOD WAS NO LONGER ACCEPTING SACRIFICES FOR ATONEMENT! They were just so many butcherings! And, this happened in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK, SPLITTING the Week in two! The third thing He did, just before He was crucified and on account of the abominations of the Jews and priests, particularly the Pharisees, Sadducees, and the Sanhedrin, was to pronounce the Jews of Jerusalem "DESOLATE." And, the desolation is what separated the 70th Week into two parts. They are STILL suffering that desolation - the tribulation - and will continue to do so until they come to the point when they can say, "Baruwkh haba' b-shem YHWH," which has been translated as "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the LORD." THIS ACT put the "GAP" in the 70th Week! 12 hours ago, truth7t7 said: Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days. When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build. 62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building. The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth. The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.  You've got your wires crossed on this one. I don't even know where to begin to sort out the tangle of wires! It would be best to just RIP THEM ALL OUT and re-wire! 12 hours ago, truth7t7 said:  Daniel 9:24-27KJV 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Yes, but verse 27 is not about "the prince that shall come" in verse 26, but is about the "Messsiah" in verse 26! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted March 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2023 24 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:Yes, but verse 27 is not about "the prince that shall come" in verse 26, but is about the "Messsiah" in verse 26!  No Jesus Christ doesn't cause abomination and desolation as you claim he is the prince to come, your 70AD reformed preterist claims "Fail", the "He" in Daniel 9:27 below is the "Future" antichrist Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End "Future" Events Unfulfilled This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled (The Future Consummation) 2 Peter 3:10KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"! Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted April 1, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,605 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,449 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Author Share Posted April 1, 2023 6 hours ago, truth7t7 said: No Jesus Christ doesn't cause abomination and desolation as you claim he is the prince to come, your 70AD reformed preterist claims "Fail", the "He" in Daniel 9:27 below is the "Future" antichrist Shalom, truth7t7. No, that's not what I said! Read for understanding! Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") the Messiah (the "Christ") didn't CAUSE the abomination; Yeeshuwa` was ANSWERING the abominations of the Pharisees and Sadducees and the cohaniym ("priests") and HE left them "DESOLATE!" They caused their OWN desolation! It's NOT ABOUT THE "PRINCE TO COME!" That was "the PEOPLE of the prince to come!" The "prince" was TITUS, eldest son of Emperor Vespasian, and the "people" were the ROMANS! THEY were the ones who "destroyed the city and the sanctuary!" The Temple was destroyed and much of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.! THAT'S A FACT OF HISTORY! So, how does one JUMP to the conclusion that "the 'He' in Daniel 9:27 below is the 'Future' antichrist"?! That's just ridiculous! 6 hours ago, truth7t7 said: Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End "Future" Events Unfulfilled  No, what was "future" to Daniel is "PAST" to us! Daniel's AOD, found in Daniel 11:31, was performed by Antiochus IV "Epiphanes" in 167 B.C. 6 hours ago, truth7t7 said: This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled (The Future Consummation) 2 Peter 3:10KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"! Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. No, the consummation is the END of the desolation. IT is when the Lord returns and resurrects those who belong to Him. UNTIL that time, "that which is determined (against the Jews, Daniel's people) shall be poured upon the ones left desolate!" And, they've been suffering the things determined against them for almost 2,000 years! (They have been a stubborn people!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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