Desopixi Seilynam Posted March 29, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,002 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 304 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29, 2023 ..saying to them that dwell on earth that they should make an image to be beast... And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast that the image should both speak and cause those who don't worship the image of the beast to be killed. Revelation 13:14-15 That happens before the final destruction. The person leading people to worship the image will be operating from Jerusalem. An image that everyone makes, that both speaks and causes those who don't worship it to be killed. Through a.i and the internet and the fact that most people have and live off of their 'phones', a persons life can pretty much be tracked and monitored, certainly activities on the 'phone' can be and are monitored. I believe the image of the beast will be associated with 'phones', the technologies already being put in place to know who watches, and even the other thing, all from 'phones'. That the image should both.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted March 30, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: ..saying to them that dwell on earth that they should make an image to be beast... And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast that the image should both speak and cause those who don't worship the image of the beast to be killed. Revelation 13:14-15 Rev 13:1 says that the beast has 7 heads and 10 horns. Does the image of the beast have 7 heads and 10 horns also? Is it a statue with 7 heads and 10 horns? 2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: That happens before the final destruction. The final destruction? The final destruction of what? The planet? 2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: The person leading people to worship the image will be operating from Jerusalem. 2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: An image that everyone makes, that both speaks and causes those who don't worship it to be killed. Will people worship their phones? Even if they did, it would still be the basic "Man is god" religion. Worship the creation rather than the creator. Maybe it is TV's or radios, or telegraph wires, man marvels at his own intellect and in a sense worships himself. 2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: Through a.i and the internet and the fact that most people have and live off of their 'phones', a persons life can pretty much be tracked and monitored, certainly activities on the 'phone' can be and are monitored. Yes. Governments and powers have monitored people for thousands of years. 2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: I believe the image of the beast will be associated with 'phones', the technologies already being put in place to know who watches, and even the other thing, all from 'phones'. That the image should both.... Phones are tools that can be used for good or evil, on an individual level or group level such as governments, businesses, or clubs, etc.. Governments control phones now. Companies control phones. Do you think that Russia will let someone else control their phones? China? India? Indonesia? The U.S.? Do you think that those atheist and pagan nations will accept an Antichrist with 7 heads and 10 horns, or a 7 head 10 horn statue? I don't think that it will happen. ----- Who is the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns? Does a person have 7 heads and 10 horns? If the beast is not a person with 7 heads and 10 horns, then what is the beast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted March 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.62 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 hours ago, abcdef said: Do you think that Russia will let someone else control their phones? China? India? Indonesia? The U.S.? Do you think that those atheist and pagan nations will accept an Antichrist with 7 heads and 10 horns, or a 7 head 10 horn statue? I think when Satan starts doing things that are impossible, the lying signs and wonders and fixes the one world system about to completely implode from 'the deadly wound', I believe they will, then again, how could I say they would not when God says they will. The gospel goes out to the whole world. The whole world will be deceived. The time had to be shortened or else even Gods Elect would be deceived, no flesh saved...right? This isn't going to be Satans first rodeo, he's got this down. We don't have to 'guess' who the beast is. When you think of the beast, the devil the dragon think of The Father Son and Holy Spirit. GOD is One but doing different things in different ways and in different forms yet STILL all GOD. Same with the beast. 7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition.... We know of only ONE person sentenced to perish and that is Satan, some where around Gen 3:15. It is confirmed by knowing he will be bound and sealed in a pit when Christ returns, and he will be loosed at the end of that day for the last short season. ...and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. He has 'ruled' the world before through the different kings in the statute 11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. I think they are 10 of the fallen angels, don't know how many think that same way 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. That pretty much says the 'beast' is not a man, but a system of a few men (yes, I still think angels, could be wrong) under the influence of ONE. No one is going to get left out. When Christ returns everyone will either be marked or they won't. But since the 'alive and remain' are CHANGED and 'ever with the Lord, meaning 'eternal life', that doesn't leave room for anyone to be on the fence. Going to be destroyed for destroying the earth or changed. The Kingdom proclaimed long ago, isn't asking questions or for acceptance this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah7 Posted March 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.43 Reputation: 3,182 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2023 @abcdef Armageddon is not happening yet, brother. Armageddon doesn’t happen until Jesus Christ returns at the 7th trump. This is called The Day of the Lord, and at this time, we will see the wrath of God (Armageddon). We can know this for certain because God has foretold us all things. In 2 Thessalonians, the apostle Paul is telling us not to be confused about when it is that our Messiah returns. Armageddon will not happen until AFTER the Antichrist, who is Satan himself, sets himself up in Jerusalem claiming to be God (Remember that Satan comes at the 6th trump and Christ returns at the 7th trump ). Christians are supposed to be waiting for the true Christ to return at the 7th trump AFTER the 6th. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. - 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted March 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,507 Content Per Day: 12.21 Reputation: 3,322 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Selah7 said: @abcdef Armageddon is not happening yet, brother. Armageddon doesn’t happen until Jesus Christ returns at the 7th trump. This is called The Day of the Lord, and at this time, we will see the wrath of God (Armageddon). We can know this for certain because God has foretold us all things. In 2 Thessalonians, the apostle Paul is telling us not to be confused about when it is that our Messiah returns. Armageddon will not happen until AFTER the Antichrist, who is Satan himself, sets himself up in Jerusalem claiming to be God (Remember that Satan comes at the 6th trump and Christ returns at the 7th trump ). Christians are supposed to be waiting for the true Christ to return at the 7th trump AFTER the 6th. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. - 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV) @Selah7 Matthew 24.21 seems definitely to speak of a unique, future event: "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted April 2, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted April 2, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: I think when Satan starts doing things that are impossible, the lying signs and wonders and fixes the one world system about to completely implode from 'the deadly wound', I believe they will, then again, how could I say they would not when God says they will. My Sister, It is not the one world system over the planet earth, it is only over the "earth" of the children of Israel. Remember that Greece did not rule the planet, but only the children of Israel in the Dan 2 statue, Dan 2:39. The proof is that the Dan. 7:7-8, 19-27, 4th beast's time ends when the 3 1/2 times comes to an end, Dan 7:25. At the end of the 3 1/2 times is when Jerusalem is restored to Israel, that happened in 1967. The 4th beast of Dan 7 is Rome, that rule began in 63 BC and continued,without ending and beginning again, until 1967, continual. This 4th beast of Dan 7, is the same beast of the Revelation, Rome. The one world system of Rome over the children of Israel has been going on since 63 BC until 1967. ----- The sign of the coming of Jesus (resur/rapt) for the new covenant gospel kingdom is that Jerusalem is restored to Israel's control, ending the times of the gentiles, Lk 21:20-24, 24. (1967) On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: The gospel goes out to the whole world. The whole world will be deceived. The time had to be shortened or else even Gods Elect would be deceived, no flesh saved...right? This isn't going to be Satans first rodeo, he's got this down. The gospel went out to the whole world of Israel after 33 AD. God's elect are the flesh children of Israel in Matt 24:22. After the trouble of the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, the trouble of the scattering of Israel into the gentile nations began. Had Hitler not been stopped, no flesh of Israel would have been saved. Then the times of the gentiles ended in 1967. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: We don't have to 'guess' who the beast is. When you think of the beast, the devil the dragon think of The Father Son and Holy Spirit. GOD is One but doing different things in different ways and in different forms yet STILL all GOD. Same with the beast. The beast is a nation with an Antichrist king, who hates the children of Israel. The same beast nation as the 4th beast of Dan 7. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: 7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast nation of Dan 7 also has 10 horns. The iron of the Dan 2 statue has 10 toes. Rome. The Rev 17 passage shows the situation in 96 AD. When the 10 horns/kings time ends, Jerusalem is restored. 1967 On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: 8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition.... Compare this verse with the parallel passages that also show Satan the beast coming up from the abyss. The 5th trumpet and the Rev 20:7 passage. How many times is Satan the beast thrown into the abyss? How many times does he come out of the abyss? On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: We know of only ONE person sentenced to perish and that is Satan, Satan is not a person, he is a spirit. His spirit needs people to carry out his will, which is to kill the children of Israel. So in Rev 20, Satan must deceive the gentile nations to attack restored Jerusalem. Who is the dragon, that is released from he abyss, that deceives the nations Magog? What person, has the spirit of Satan, and speaks to deceive the kings of the east, Rev 16? It can only be the 4th beast of Dan 7. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: some where around Gen 3:15. It is confirmed by knowing he will be bound and sealed in a pit when Christ returns, Rev 19 does not show Jesus returning. It shows the heavens opened, and Jesus in heaven, but it does not show Jesus returning to planet earth. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: and he will be loosed at the end of that day for the last short season. He has been loosed since 1929. We are in the time when he has already deceived the Magog nations into surrounding restored Jerusalem. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: ...and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. The beast is Rome. The Roman Empire died when it divided into 10 horns/toes. But was still alive as an image empire that was divided. This is shown as the little horn in Dan 7:24-25. The horn is part of the 4th beast nation, it is just existing after the main beast empire becomes divided. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: 9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. The woman is Jerusalem/unbelieving broken branches of the children of Israel in 96 AD ish. She is attacking believing Israel/the church with Rome. The mountains all surround one city. If the 6th head is Rome, in John's time, then all of the mountains are around Rome. When the last (7th) head dies, the 10 horns begin and the 8th head appears. All after Rome falls. So the seven heads represent the lifetime of the Roman Empire. When the 7th head dies, Rome becomes divided into ten. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: He has 'ruled' the world before through the different kings in the statute The statue shows only those nations that rule over the children of Israel. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: 11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. The Roman beast was before John, is not an empire after Rome is divided, yet the 8th head rules over the 10 kings and the children of Israel, until Jerusalem is restored. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: 12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. I think they are 10 of the fallen angels, don't know how many think that same way It says that they are kings. Men. On 3/30/2023 at 1:07 AM, DeighAnn said: 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the . 14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. That pretty much says the 'beast' is not a man, but a system of a few men (yes, I still think angels, could be wrong) under the influence of ONE. No one is going to get left out. When Christ returns everyone will either be marked or they won't. But since the 'alive and remain' are CHANGED and 'ever with the Lord, meaning 'eternal life', that doesn't leave room for anyone to be on the fence. Going to be destroyed for destroying the earth or changed. The Kingdom proclaimed long ago, isn't asking questions or for acceptance this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted April 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.62 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2023 7 hours ago, abcdef said: My Sister, It is not the one world system over the planet earth, it is only over the "earth" of the children of Israel. Remember that Greece did not rule the planet, but only the children of Israel in the Dan 2 statue, Dan 2:39. The proof is that the Dan. 7:7-8, 19-27, 4th beast's time ends when the 3 1/2 times comes to an end, Dan 7:25. At the end of the 3 1/2 times is when Jerusalem is restored to Israel, that happened in 1967. The 4th beast of Dan 7 is Rome, that rule began in 63 BC and continued,without ending and beginning again, until 1967, continual. This 4th beast of Dan 7, is the same beast of the Revelation, Rome. The one world system of Rome over the children of Israel has been going on since 63 BC until 1967. ----- The sign of the coming of Jesus (resur/rapt) for the new covenant gospel kingdom is that Jerusalem is restored to Israel's control, ending the times of the gentiles, Lk 21:20-24, 24. (1967) The gospel went out to the whole world of Israel after 33 AD. God's elect are the flesh children of Israel in Matt 24:22. After the trouble of the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, the trouble of the scattering of Israel into the gentile nations began. Had Hitler not been stopped, no flesh of Israel would have been saved. Then the times of the gentiles ended in 1967. The beast is a nation with an Antichrist king, who hates the children of Israel. The same beast nation as the 4th beast of Dan 7. The beast nation of Dan 7 also has 10 horns. The iron of the Dan 2 statue has 10 toes. Rome. The Rev 17 passage shows the situation in 96 AD. When the 10 horns/kings time ends, Jerusalem is restored. 1967 Compare this verse with the parallel passages that also show Satan the beast coming up from the abyss. The 5th trumpet and the Rev 20:7 passage. How many times is Satan the beast thrown into the abyss? How many times does he come out of the abyss? Satan is not a person, he is a spirit. His spirit needs people to carry out his will, which is to kill the children of Israel. So in Rev 20, Satan must deceive the gentile nations to attack restored Jerusalem. Who is the dragon, that is released from he abyss, that deceives the nations Magog? What person, has the spirit of Satan, and speaks to deceive the kings of the east, Rev 16? It can only be the 4th beast of Dan 7. Rev 19 does not show Jesus returning. It shows the heavens opened, and Jesus in heaven, but it does not show Jesus returning to planet earth. He has been loosed since 1929. We are in the time when he has already deceived the Magog nations into surrounding restored Jerusalem. The beast is Rome. The Roman Empire died when it divided into 10 horns/toes. But was still alive as an image empire that was divided. This is shown as the little horn in Dan 7:24-25. The horn is part of the 4th beast nation, it is just existing after the main beast empire becomes divided. The woman is Jerusalem/unbelieving broken branches of the children of Israel in 96 AD ish. She is attacking believing Israel/the church with Rome. The mountains all surround one city. If the 6th head is Rome, in John's time, then all of the mountains are around Rome. When the last (7th) head dies, the 10 horns begin and the 8th head appears. All after Rome falls. So the seven heads represent the lifetime of the Roman Empire. When the 7th head dies, Rome becomes divided into ten. The statue shows only those nations that rule over the children of Israel. The Roman beast was before John, is not an empire after Rome is divided, yet the 8th head rules over the 10 kings and the children of Israel, until Jerusalem is restored. It says that they are kings. Men. That settles it. We disagree on basically everything. Thank GOD we will all know for true and for sure soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted April 2, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted April 2, 2023 3 hours ago, DeighAnn said: That settles it. We disagree on basically everything. Thank GOD we will all know for true and for sure soon We disagree about some things, yes. It's ok to disagree. The key to finding which is the better theory is to find a common belief and expand on the details. One theory will be sustained or both can be wrong. ---- We agree that Jesus is coming soon. You believe it because you think that is what the scriptures say, I believe it for the same reason. What is different is the interpretation of those scriptures and the timing involved. You seem to believe in an Antichrist and a beast, I do also. I say past and present, you say future, it's ok to disagree. We both agree that there is an Antichrist, it is the placement on the timeline and the basic timeline that we disagree on. I view many other conflicts the same way, it is not the events, it is the timing of the events and placement on the timeline. ----- My view is that the 6th trumpet and the 6th vial have already been accomplished and Jerusalem is about to fall to those armies. 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls, Jesus comes for the gospel kingdom at the resur/rapt, then all human life on this planet ends, followed by the judgment of good and evil, Rev 20:11-15. So how long will it be until Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies? That is when Jesus is coming. ---- Many will say, "That can't be, because all these other things haven't happened yet." But they have already happened. It has only been known since Jerusalem was restored and the 6th trumpet/vial have happened that we can now see the timeline events in the past, since 20 years ago. ----- I would offer these, The Dan 2 statue begins when Jerusalem falls. It ends when Jerusalem is restored, that was 1967. Then the stone strikes. We are living in the time between the statue ending and the stone striking. - Dan 12:7, The angel says that it will be 3 1/2 times until the people will be scattered. That happened in 70 AD. So the angel is saying that the first 3 1/2 times is from Babylon until 70 AD. That would make the second 3 1/2 times from 70 AD until 1967 when Jerusalem was restored. ---- Just some thoughts for your consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted April 2, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted April 2, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: @abcdef Armageddon is not happening yet, brother. The war of Armageddon is happening right now. The final major battle of that war will happen soon, the battle of Armageddon. Israel will lose and this present Jerusalem will fall. Then Jesus will come at the resur/rapt. On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: Armageddon doesn’t happen until Jesus Christ returns at the 7th trump. Are you saying that the trumps and vials are parallel? Interesting. On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: This is called The Day of the Lord, There are many "Day of the Lord" verses in the Bible. Against Babylon and Egypt, for example. Are you talking about he 70 AD day of the Lord, or the coming very soon, day of the lord? Some scriptures are about the 70 AD day of the Lord, and some are about the one we are waiting for. Knowing the difference clarifies the events. On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: and at this time, we will see the wrath of God (Armageddon). Israel will lose the battle of Armageddon and Jerusalem will fall. If Israel would win he battle, then there would be no need for the 7th vial. The 7th vial shows the total destruction of Jerusalem and this planet, both literal or symbolic. The 7th vial is the end of the vials/trumpets parallel timeline. Rev 15:8, shows that no one can enter the temple until after the 7th vial, but it is the heavenly temple Ark (Jesus) that is revealed in the 7th trumpet parallel timeline, that is able to be entered. Not an earthly temple. An examination of parallel events on the timelines shows additional information that supports this. On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: We can know this for certain because God has foretold us all things. Yes, the scroll of the 7 seals is sweet and bitter, Rev 10:10-11. On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: In 2 Thessalonians, the apostle Paul is telling us not to be confused about when it is that our Messiah returns. Jesus will be here exactly 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies. The trumpets are parallel to the 2 witnesses. The beast that ascends from the abyss at the 5th trumpet, kills the 2 witnesses, and after that the 7th trumpet sounds at the resur/rapt. The parallel 7th vial shows that Jerusalem falls to the armies and suffers the "end" of the wrath of God/Jesus. If Israel had won the battle of Armageddon, then God's wrath would not be poured out on the city. On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: Armageddon will not happen until AFTER the Antichrist, The Antichrist must be present in order to deceive the kings of the east at the 6th vial. He deceives them because at this point he is only an image and is not able to muster the military power himself to attack Jerusalem restored, (1967). On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: who is Satan himself, Satan is a spirit. He must have form to be seen in the material world. The spirit of Satan is in people who want to kill the children of Israel because they carry the scriptures that lead to salvation. There are many Antichrists, over the centuries. The dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns, Rev 12:3-4, lives for centuries and not just one persons lifetime, Rev 20:2. The dragon (Rev 20:2) with 7 heads and 10 horns is before the trib, during the trib, after the trib and lasts to perdition, Rev 17:11, Rev 20:11-15. On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: sets himself up in Jerusalem claiming to be God Lk 21:20-24, 24. The Antichrist attacks Jerusalem, makes it desolate, kills Israel with the sword, carries the children of Israel away into all nations, and conquers the surrounding areas. Is this the 6th trumpet? Where does does Jesus come in this context? That is, when does the 7th trumpet sound and Jesus come, in the context of Lk 21:20-24? After Jerusalem is conquered? 3 1/2 years later, after the times of the gentiles is over? According to the trumpets timeline, he comes right after the 6th trumpet blows, not 3 1/2 years later. On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: (Remember that Satan comes at the 6th trump and Christ returns at the 7th trump ). The beast ascends out of the abyss at the 5th trumpet. How long do you think that he has been in the abyss, to come out at the 5th trumpet? On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: Christians are supposed to be waiting for the true Christ to return at the 7th trump AFTER the 6th. I agree. The 6th trumpet has already been blown for over 20 years. On 3/30/2023 at 6:06 AM, Selah7 said: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. - 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV) The Antichrist attacks Jerusalem and destroys the temple, not one stone left upon another. How is it that he is worshiped in the temple, if he has destroyed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted April 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.62 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2023 2 hours ago, abcdef said: We disagree about some things, yes. It's ok to disagree. The key to finding which is the better theory is to find a common belief and expand on the details. One theory will be sustained or both can be wrong. ---- We agree that Jesus is coming soon. You believe it because you think that is what the scriptures say, I believe it for the same reason. What is different is the interpretation of those scriptures and the timing involved. You seem to believe in an Antichrist and a beast, I do also. I say past and present, you say future, it's ok to disagree. We both agree that there is an Antichrist, it is the placement on the timeline and the basic timeline that we disagree on. I view many other conflicts the same way, it is not the events, it is the timing of the events and placement on the timeline. ----- My view is that the 6th trumpet and the 6th vial have already been accomplished and Jerusalem is about to fall to those armies. 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls, Jesus comes for the gospel kingdom at the resur/rapt, then all human life on this planet ends, followed by the judgment of good and evil, Rev 20:11-15. So how long will it be until Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies? That is when Jesus is coming. ---- Many will say, "That can't be, because all these other things haven't happened yet." But they have already happened. It has only been known since Jerusalem was restored and the 6th trumpet/vial have happened that we can now see the timeline events in the past, since 20 years ago. ----- I would offer these, The Dan 2 statue begins when Jerusalem falls. It ends when Jerusalem is restored, that was 1967. Then the stone strikes. We are living in the time between the statue ending and the stone striking. - Dan 12:7, The angel says that it will be 3 1/2 times until the people will be scattered. That happened in 70 AD. So the angel is saying that the first 3 1/2 times is from Babylon until 70 AD. That would make the second 3 1/2 times from 70 AD until 1967 when Jerusalem was restored. ---- Just some thoughts for your consideration. I think the same thing every time I see this, and every time I ask the question, I know I will not get an answer, but just so you know what my issue is with being told it is past. A few of the problems I have with the 'past' 1. 1/3 or 2000 years out of 6000 years is not 'a season' by any means. There is no conversation in all the world in which anyone would agree with that as being a TRUTH. (unless some doctrine demanded it bee seen in that light) 2. There have been NO lying signs and wonders. 3. There has been NO deadly wound to a 10 kingdom government that was ruling the world 4. There has been no HEALING of any deadly wound in all recorded history 5. There are NO ANGELS upon the earth now, and they most certainly have not been on the earth for the past 2000 years or else LIKE THE DAYS OF NOE there would be no one good left. There would be GIANTS. 6. There would be an IMAGE that was worshipped by THE WHOLE WORLD. 7. The gospel would have had to have been preached in the whole world. SINCE the House of Israel was SCATTERED TO THE WHOLE world 200 years BEFORE CHRIST WAS BORN, THERE is no way by the year 69AD that they ALL would have been preached the good news, making that TIMING IMPOSSIBLE to be then end. 8. The curses of not being a nation would not have been fulfilled which with the King and Kingdom rejected remained in effect. So 1948 IS THE SOONEST the 'last days' could have even begun. 9. Knowledge running to and fro hasn't even been made possible until the last 40 years. 10. ROMAN rule didn't include 9 other kingdoms. If you are saying all that is past and not future, then you just need to PRODUCE the written record of it, with names and dates and outcomes and also explain why we are NOT seeing the things we would be seeing if it was. Also, just thoughts to consider. I wish it would narrow the gap, but IDK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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