Keras Posted February 15, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,696 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/07/1941 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) Amos 9:13-15 The time is surely coming, says the Lord, when the one who plows shall overtake the one who reaps, and the treader of grapes, the one who sows the seed; the mountains shall drip sweet wine, all the hills shall flow with it. I will restore the fortunes of My people, Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them upon their Land and they shall never again be plucked up out of the Land I have given them. That scripture promises restoration for a devastated land and a scattered people and it does so in a beautiful description of overflowing fertility in field and vineyard along with an unqualified pledge of “never again” for His faithful people, from every tribe, race nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 66:18b-21, to be dispossessed. Bible prophecy refers to a divinely established Utopia (Greek- good place) in which, God puts an end to this world of injustice and unrighteousness on earth and replaces it with a world of justice and righteousness on earth. This end times Kingdom is the covenantal kingdom, brought to its ultimate perfection and ideal consummation, here on earth. Hebrews 8:8-12 It will last for 1000 years, as Revelation 20 clearly informs us. Daniel 7:27 The Kingly power, sovereignty and greatness of all the Kingdoms under heaven will be given to the Holy people of the Most High. Their Kingly power will last for ever and every realm will serve and obey them. So, how will the God of justice and righteousness treat the Gentiles in establishing this utopian Kingdom on earth? Micah 4:1-2 In days to come, the Lords House will tower above the hills. The nations will stream toward it, saying; Let us go to the House of Jacob’s God, that He may teach us His ways, for instruction comes from Zion. [and in Isaiah 2:2-4] Zechariah 8:20 Nations and dwellers in many cities will come to Jerusalem to entreat the favour of the Lord. Zechariah 14:16-21 Those warlike and idol worshipping peoples will be converted to godly worship, under a God of justice and peace. They will not become Israelites, but all will live together under God. This will be the situation after Jesus Returns, during His Millennium rule. Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall possess the Land and will live there forever. Edited February 15, 2023 by Keras 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keras Posted February 21, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,696 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/07/1941 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 Isaiah 33:1-6 Woe betide you destroyer, yourself destroyed. After all your betrayals, you too will be betrayed. Isaiah 21:2 Lord, show us Your favour, our hope is in You. Save us when trouble comes. Psalms 74:19, Isaiah 26:16-21 At the crack of thunder, peoples flee – nations are scattered at Your roar. They are stripped of spoil, as by a swarm of locusts. Isaiah 10:17-19, Isa. 18:18-19 The Lord is supreme, for He dwells on high. He will fill Zion with justice and righteousness. Your peoples strength is in Your unchanging stability, their deliverance is in wisdom and knowledge, their treasure is the respect of the Lord. Isaiah 33:7=9 Listen, brave men cry aloud for help. Those seeking peace are thwarted. The roads are deserted, no one moves, treaties are flouted. Ezekiel 36:3-4, Psalms 144:7-8 The land is dry. Lebanon, Sharon, Bashan and Gilead are stripped bare. Ezekiel 36:34, Joel 1:19-20, Amos 1 Isaiah 33:10-16 Now, I shall arise and exalt Myself, says the Lord. Psalms 74:22-23 You will conceive chaff and bring forth stubble, a wind like fire will devour you. Whole nations will be as heaps of white ash, like thorns set ablaze. Hebrews 10:27, 2 Peter 3:7 You who are far away, hear what I have done. You who are near, acknowledge My power. Deuteronomy 30:1-10 The sinners in Zion are terrified, the godless are seized with trembling. They ask; How can we live with this consuming fire? Zephaniah 1:4-6, & 14-18, Isaiah 22:1-14 Those who live righteously and speak the truth, who do not take bribes, rejecting all evil – they will dwell securely with ample food and water. Psalms 85:12 Isaiah 33:17-24 Your eyes will see a King in his glory and view a Land that stretches into the distance. Numbers 24:15-19 You will call to mind what you once feared. Where are they now? Those barbarous people whose speech you could not understand. Psalms 58:10-11, Psalms 37:8-15 Look upon Zion, Jerusalem, city of sacred festivals. A secure abode, never again to be moved. Amos 9:13-15 There the Lord will be in His majesty, a peaceful place. A place of broad rivers, but no ships will sail there. The Lord is our judge and lawgiver. He is our King who will save us. Zechariah 8:7-8 Your rigging hangs loose, the mast is not secure and your sails are not set. Luke 12:35-36. Then all will take a share in the spoils. Zechariah 9:17 No one living in Zion will get sick and the sins of the people will be pardoned. Psalms 126:1-3 Ref: REB some verses abridged Verse 5 says ‘the Lord dwells on high’. So, before His Return, we see in verses 3-4 & 10-11, the nations as at present and in V14 Judah’s judgement. V15-16 say His faithful people will live prosperously in the Land, then V17-24 speaks of the Return of Jesus and His reign during the Millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NConly Posted March 17, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,353 Content Per Day: 2.74 Reputation: 621 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 1:53 PM, Keras said: Amos 9:13-15 The time is surely coming, says the Lord, when the one who plows shall overtake the one who reaps, and the treader of grapes, the one who sows the seed; the mountains shall drip sweet wine, all the hills shall flow with it. I will restore the fortunes of My people, Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them upon their Land and they shall never again be plucked up out of the Land I have given them. That scripture promises restoration for a devastated land and a scattered people and it does so in a beautiful description of overflowing fertility in field and vineyard along with an unqualified pledge of “never again” for His faithful people, from every tribe, race nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 66:18b-21, to be dispossessed. Bible prophecy refers to a divinely established Utopia (Greek- good place) in which, God puts an end to this world of injustice and unrighteousness on earth and replaces it with a world of justice and righteousness on earth. This end times Kingdom is the covenantal kingdom, brought to its ultimate perfection and ideal consummation, here on earth. Hebrews 8:8-12 It will last for 1000 years, as Revelation 20 clearly informs us. Daniel 7:27 The Kingly power, sovereignty and greatness of all the Kingdoms under heaven will be given to the Holy people of the Most High. Their Kingly power will last for ever and every realm will serve and obey them. So, how will the God of justice and righteousness treat the Gentiles in establishing this utopian Kingdom on earth? Micah 4:1-2 In days to come, the Lords House will tower above the hills. The nations will stream toward it, saying; Let us go to the House of Jacob’s God, that He may teach us His ways, for instruction comes from Zion. [and in Isaiah 2:2-4] Zechariah 8:20 Nations and dwellers in many cities will come to Jerusalem to entreat the favour of the Lord. Zechariah 14:16-21 Those warlike and idol worshipping peoples will be converted to godly worship, under a God of justice and peace. They will not become Israelites, but all will live together under God. This will be the situation after Jesus Returns, during His Millennium rule. Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall possess the Land and will live there forever. I got a little lost; Heb 8 says last 1000 yrs and just below Dan 7 says last forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keras Posted March 17, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,696 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/07/1941 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 8 hours ago, NConly said: I got a little lost; Heb 8 says last 1000 yrs and just below Dan 7 says last forever The Hebrews 8 reference refers to the Promises of the Covenant Kingdom and the Daniel 12 quote says it will last forever, which takes it beyond the thousand years of the Millennium. But during the Millennium, we are all still mortals, then at the Great White Throne Judgment, those found worthy will be given immortality in the Spiritual Kingdom, as described in Revelation 21 to 22, for Eternity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted March 17, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Keras said: The Hebrews 8 reference refers to the Promises of the Covenant Kingdom and the Daniel 12 quote says it will last forever, which takes it beyond the thousand years of the Millennium. But during the Millennium, we are all still mortals, then at the Great White Throne Judgment, those found worthy will be given immortality in the Spiritual Kingdom, as described in Revelation 21 to 22, for Eternity. You disregard the scripture before your eyes "Why"? 1.) Daniel 12:1-2 clearly tells the reader the resurrection takes place at the time of great trouble (Great Tribulation) it clearly states the book of life is open (Final Judgement) 2.) John 6:39-40 (The Last Day) resurrection 3.) 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 Jesus returns, the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End) All three are in perfect agreement, Daniel Book of life open, John (The Last Day), 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 (The Cometh The End) Yes you disregard God's simple words of truth in denial, to falsely Maintain a man made Millennium that will never take place Before Your Eyes, Clear, Simple, Easy To Understand, And Your In Denial Of This Truth Daniel 12:1-2KJV 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. John 6:39-40KJV 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Edited March 17, 2023 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted March 17, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.54 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 12:53 PM, Keras said: It will last for 1000 years, as Revelation 20 clearly informs us. Curious: How long is a thousand years to God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted March 17, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, FJK said: Curious: How long is a thousand years to God? Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below? 1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom? 2.) Physical Earthly Throne? 3.) Physical Mortal Humans? The Above Claims (Don't Exist) Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ 100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time 2 Peter 3:8KJV 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Revelation 20:1-6KJV 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted March 17, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,136 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 hours ago, FJK said: Curious: How long is a thousand years to God? The same as God knowing us before the creation of the heavens and the earth, or before time existed as we know it. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keras Posted March 17, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,696 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/07/1941 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 10 hours ago, truth7t7 said: You disregard the scripture before your eyes "Why"? 1.) Daniel 12:1-2 clearly tells the reader the resurrection takes place at the time of great trouble (Great Tribulation) it clearly states the book of life is open (Final Judgement) Revelation 20:11-15 is undeniable: ONLY at the Great white Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium, is the Book of Life opened. 9 hours ago, truth7t7 said: Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below? 1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom? 2.) Physical Earthly Throne? 3.) Physical Mortal Humans? 1/ Matthew 8:10-12 2/ Hebrews 4:16 3/ Isaiah 65:20 Your beliefs on the end times are wrong and you make bolded assertions that contradict what God has planned for His people; on earth, which He made for us to live on. 10 hours ago, FJK said: Curious: How long is a thousand years to God? The same as the passing of one day to us. Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted March 18, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Keras said: Revelation 20:11-15 is undeniable: ONLY at the Great white Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium, is the Book of Life opened. Your claim is "False" The book of life will be opened "At That Time" surrounding the great tribulation, not 1,000 years after as you claim Daniel below speaks of the time of the "Future" Great Tribulation, the resurrection of all, and the final judgement as the book of life is opened Daniel 12:1-2KJV 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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