Walter and Deborah Posted February 27, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 14 Topic Count: 2,251 Topics Per Day: 0.50 Content Count: 4,376 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,031 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/13/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1947 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2-27-23 1 Peter 1:23-25 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. Read full chapter Love, Walter and Debbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted February 28, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,051 Content Per Day: 3.32 Reputation: 1,460 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2023 51 minutes ago, Walter and Deborah said: 2-27-23 1 Peter 1:23-25 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. Read full chapter Love, Walter and Debbie 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Jn 1:11–13) The concept of being born is well known. Women can testify that it is quite a business. When God created man, he was perfect as a human. But because his duties included being in the image and likeness of God, and subduing angels who were created greater than men, man lacked something. God's plan to supply this perfect man was to allow man to eat from a Tree whose fruit would impart the life and nature of God. One of Israel's most intelligent and trained men, Nicodemus, understood this concept but did not know how it was to be achieved. He envisioned a man somehow climbing back inside his mother. But Jesus corrected him and said that it was not a case of him getting INSIDE his mother, but a WIND getting inside of him. In both Hebrew and Greek, "wind" is the same word as a "SPIRIT". God, in the Person of the holy Spirit, would enter men like wind and give men AN-OTHER nature. The man would still be a man, and the imparting of life, a birth, was an ADDITIONAL birth - this time by God Who is a SPIRIT (Jn.4:24). Unfortunately, sin came in before man ate of this Tree and so a Substitute Propitiation had to be found for mankind. But once this Substitute had paid for all sin and sins, Jesus could come and "BLOW" into men - who then received the Holy SPIRIT (Jn.20:22). Rebirth was planned by God before sin came in. It is an ADDITIONAL birth, not a solution to death. Resurrection is the solution to death. THis birth does not impart human life. It imparts divine life - as the OP scriptures testify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 28, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said: 2-27-23 1 Peter 1:23-25 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. Read full chapter Love, Walter and Debbie The one question that comes to mind is that this is not the first time that we have come across the words "being born again", thinking that we have heard those words before when Jesus was talking toNicodemus ...but do we? Peter is speaking to people who are believers in Jesus Christ...and he is telling them that when they heard the word of the Gospel of Jesus Christ they believed because they wanted to have their sins forgiven in Jesus Christ.. And they wanted to be God's people in the New Testament... Not in the old but in the New Testament. But that does not mean that the Old Testament is still honor by God and they were given the choice as Gentiles (to those who were Gentiles ) to be included in the Family of God they through faith in Jesus Christ and the Jews according to the Law of Moses... No this is not the case...Because God in the New testament has only one People one Family and the Lord and Progenitor of this Family is Jesus Christ... God the Heavenly Father the children He receives in Heaven are only the children of Jesus Christ...and he has recieved in Heaven Abraham and his children, his chosen offsprings at the time after the death of Jesus Christ when Jesus Christ went to them right after his death when he descended to them and they recieved him as the Christ of God...that time they became the children of God in Jesus Christ....the first people who believed in Jesus Christ..the first people to hear the Gospel from Jesus Christ himself and believe...when it was done after the death of Jesus Christ...(before his death they knew that day and they were expecting him from many sources and one of them is John the Baptist who went there before Jesus to prepare them for his coming) (it is not Jesus who said that "Abraham knows my day and he rejoice " did not Jesus say that after the death of John the Baptist ) Jesus knowing that he had overcome all the testing that was put before him and he did not stumble on any one...(just like the game of Super Mario...Jesus never stumble on any obstacles, perfect in his obedience to God...the Devil put obstacles in the path of Jesus Christ as in the temptations of Jesus in the dessert...and the Devil also tried to prevent the prophetic events for being fulfilled...but God did not let him succeed he withstood him not in Jesus as the battle field but in the battle that took place in other people and did not include Jesus... The Devil failed and could not prevent for derailing any of the prophetic scriptures to be fulfilled...which means the Devil knew about them and while God was preparing for those events to take place the Devil was preparing how to find away to not to make them happen... Which telling that the Devil tried to change the timing of Jesus arrest and the timing of his death so many of the prophecies would not be able to be fulfilled... If the Devil could have made Judas to betrayed Jesus earlier or later than the time Judas did then we will have Jesus remaining on the Cross without this Sabbath been the High Holiday the Priests and the leaders would not have asked Pilate to take the body of Jesus down from the Cross before the Holiday began... And one of the most peculiar situations...the Roman's had the custom that they had to wrap up things and declare the convicts death before they depart from the place of execution...and they speed up the death of the convicts by breaking their legs...to speed up their deaths... The Devil would have tried to prolong the life in Jesus by a number of things...making Jesus punishment less severe as to make him less exhausted and tired so just like the other convicts he would have been still alive..and the soldiers would break his legs... And the last moment that Jesus got very thirsty...the Devil would have like to have Jesus well hydrated through out his ordeal...but God tried to prevent that... Jesus wounds were proof that he was he who was raised from the dead...his wounds were part of his identification...Jesus shaw Philip his wound on his side proof that he had died... And if Jesus legs were broken then what ....Jesus would have raised from the dead with broken legs...and how would he have walked... **a note to the OPoster...why out of all versions you have pick the one with the biggining " Being born again" which shows a continuous action...when the original and most of the versions say...."Having been born again " referring to something that took place when the people believe in Jesus Christ...when the Gospel was preached to them... In John Jesus said to Nicodemus who was in the Family of God...Jesus that time did not included the Gentiles...but those who were in the family of God according to the Law of Moses or God... Jesus told Nicodemus that soon he will not be in the Family of God because God is doing something ...God will have a New family beginning with the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross...from that time on Nicodemus and the Jews in General will be excluded from the New Family of God and if they want to be included they need to be born of the Spirit of God... And that will happened when they believe that Jesus Christ had to be died first before he removed the death of people because of their sins...and in this example it was only about the Israelites....who were dying because of their sin when the snakes bite them...but when they looked upon the Bronge Serpent they lived... They Bites of the Serpents because of their sins they did not give them death.... This is for us to know that in Jesus Christ in our faith in Jesus Christ we do not die to God when we sin...we continue to be alive to God...we never die because of sin...sin cannot bring death to the believer in Jesus Christ...as it was in the old testament the Jew sinner had to offer a sacrifice for his sin...and everytime he sin besides the yearly Atonement...in Jesus Christ his sins are not counted against him to cause him to be separated from God after his death (physical) what are the consequences from his sins is another matter...but his sins cannot kill the Life of Jesus inside him... Jesus told Nicodemus a chosen offspring of Abraham...that the children of Abraham as they were at that time...they will be without God unless they joint them selves to Jesus Christ... Edited February 28, 2023 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choir loft Posted February 28, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,219 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 333 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/10/1947 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said: 2-27-23 1 Peter 1:23-25 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. Read full chapter Love, Walter and Debbie Evangelical types typically respond to simple questions by vomiting bits of scripture like religious slogans and buzz words. They don't persuade those who aren't saved and they barely convince those who are. To understand what it means to be 'born again' one must understand what it means to be dying. Start with Genesis 1:26-27. In those two verses it is revealed that God originally blessed Eve and Adam with His image - the Image of God. Nobody seems to understand what this Image is or what it's function might be. Two chapters later, in Genesis 3, it's lost because of the SIN of Eve and Adam. The first family of the Bible died spiritually on the same day they SINNED. This death is attributed to their LOSS of the Image of God. Therefore the Image of God is connected to immortality. Every human being since that day is subject to the natural results of divine condemnation - DEATH. As a consequence of the SIN of Eve & Adam there is now no natural component of a human life that survives physical DEATH - none whatsoever. Humans die the same as any cockroach or sick dog. Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. (Ecclesiastes 3:19) The Image of God is NOT naturally present in ANY human being. We do NOT all have the image of God within us. Indeed most do NOT. Proof positive of this is DEATH both physical and spiritual. The natural man does not know God nor is he even aware of the first second or minute following his death. The natural awareness of the natural life ENDS at death. All the children born to Eve and Adam and their progeny were given the image of their human parents, not that of God because it was lost. Therefore the Bible refers to those who die as those who are LOST. They exist no more in time or eternity. They pass away from the awareness of BOTH God and man. Neither do the dead suffer eternal torment. They simply DIE. Here is a mystery: The Image of God does not appear again in scripture until the New Testament. The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. (Colossians 1:15) Think Jesus = image of God and you've got it. It is this indwelling spirit of Christ within those who have humbled themselves unto Him and REPENTED of their SIN who are graciously endowed with immortal life. They and they alone. The event and experience is described by Jesus and His apostles as the Second Birth - as being born again of the Spirit of God. Indeed Christ and the apostles insist upon it most vehemently. We MUST be born again else we DIE. Thus the Second Birth is perhaps the greater miracle since creation itself. that's me, hollering from the choir loft... Edited February 28, 2023 by choir loft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted February 28, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 201 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,456 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 2,316 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said: 1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 19 hours ago, AdHoc said: Rebirth was planned by God before sin came in. It is an ADDITIONAL birth, not a solution to death. Resurrection is the solution to death. THis birth does not impart human life. It imparts divine life - as the OP scriptures testify. "And the Word became flesh." John 1:14 "The words I speak to you are Spirit and are life." John 6:63 "That which is born of Spirit is spirit." John 3:6 "The Lord be (is) with your spirit." 2 Tim 4:22 "He that is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." 1 Cor 6:17 "That you may become partakers of the divine nature.' 2 Peter 1:4 "Christ in you the hope of glory." Col 1:27 Edited February 28, 2023 by Vine Abider typo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 28, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Vine Abider said: "And the Word became flesh." John 1:14 "The words I speak to you are Spirit and are life." John 6:63 "That which is born of Spirit is spirit." John 3:6 "The Lord be (is) with your spirit." 2 Tim 4:22 "He that is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." 1 Cor 6:17 "That you may become partakers of the divine nature.' 2 Peter 1:4 "Christ in you the hope of glory." Col 1:27 Jesus said that we must be born from above...we must be born from God...and this is what John the disciple Jesus loved who was teaching the Gentiles that if one believes that Jesus has come in the flesh that he shed the blood of the New Covenant for the forgiveness of our sins he is born from above...to say he is born from above that includes that Jesus was and is from above from God... We are in him who was from above and he is above...to wellcome us at the time of our death... Born from above...from God when we believe in Jesus that he is the Christ of God who died on the Cross to shed the blood of the New Covenant. No born again for anyone of the Jews today but only for the Jews of that time... To the Jews of the first generation who were born while the Sinai Covenant was still in effect and while they lived the change took place from the Sinai Covenant to the New Covenant... People who were in the family of God and during their time they were not anymore in the family of God because of not fault of their own just because they lived when the change came...to be again in the New Family of God the family with the Spirit of God from above...they needed to believe in Jesus Christ who was from above...who was from God... They must believe in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of their sins then they are born from above from God... We cannot tell someone that he needs to be born again unless he was in the chosen family of God in Abraham and the Law of Moses..his sins were forgiven in the Law of Moses... As the Law of Moses was put away 2,000 years ago today we cannot find anyone who was in the position of Nicodemus....to be born in the Law, while the Law was still valid and had his sins forgiven by the Law of Moses the sacrifices in the Temple before the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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