Uriah Posted April 25, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2023 4 hours ago, BibleWords said: These two instances cannot be confused. Two raptures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleWords Posted April 25, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 233 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2023 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/20/1957 Share Posted April 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, Uriah said: Two raptures? No of course not. The second coming is not a rapture. Jesus comes to catch away His bride at the pre-trib rapture, in the air. He doesn’t catch anyone away at His second coming. He comes all the way to earth at the second coming. Here He comes to set up His Kingdom. One rapture, one coming. Two different events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Episcopius Posted April 25, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 47 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 Buddy the Mouse is a fictional character that I featured in many threads on this board in the past. He is Partial Preterist - so I guess also Partial Futurist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted April 26, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,004 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 305 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted April 26, 2023 On 4/25/2023 at 2:17 AM, Retrobyter said: Furthermore, Yeeshuwa` DID " in the middle of the WEEK, cause the sacrifice and the oblation (gift) to cease!" He was the LAST Sacrifice that God would accept! Any "sacrifices" performed after Him were mere slaughterings. If GOD doesn't accept them, then they have NO efficacy! He denounced the "overspreading of abominations" that the scribes and Pharisees committed in the bulk of Matthew 23! And, THAT was when He left them DESOLATE! FORTY YEARS LATER, the Temple was destroyed! Oblation (a thing presented or offered to God) In Mark 1:44 Jesus tells the man to "offer for your cleansing those things Moses commanded". If any sacrifices were performed after Christ died, and they were up until 70 a.d., then oblation, a thing presented or offered to God, was still happening. In Acts 21:24-26 Paul offers purification offerings. [Numbers 6:13-14] Were those purification sacrifices not accepted by God? Daniel says 'he shall make it desolate' Not leave it desolate, but make it desolate. 'he' causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease, then makes the place desolate. Which is an abomination. "In the middle of the 'week' 'he' shall cause the oblation to cease, and .. make" So in the middle of some time he causes the oblation to cease and makes the place desolate even until the consummation. Your saying Jesus left it desolate, but gave them 40 years until it actually happened. But that was the end of the 70 years not the middle. In your view it became desolate at the end, not the middle, showing the view as incorrect. The covenant Jesus established on the cross is eternal, not just one week. Daniel says 'he' shall confirm the covenant for one week, and in the middle of the 'week' he will cause oblation to cease and make the place desolate. In Daniel 9:26 the Messiah suffers the death penalty. Then in Daniel 9:27 it speaks of someone confirming a covenant, causing oblation to cease and making the place desolate. 1. Messiah 2. prince that shall come That is the order in which they are mentioned in verse 26. And the Messiah is crucified in that verse. So 'he' in verse 27 is referring to the prince that shall come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Posted April 26, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 26, 2023 17 hours ago, BibleWords said: No of course not. The second coming is not a rapture. Jesus comes to catch away His bride at the pre-trib rapture, in the air. He doesn’t catch anyone away at His second coming. He comes all the way to earth at the second coming. Here He comes to set up His Kingdom. One rapture, one coming. Two different events. So Mat 24 is something else? The sun is darkened, stars fall, the elect are gathered. This is His coming. No rapture here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleWords Posted April 26, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 233 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2023 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/20/1957 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Exactly. There are no physical signs before the rapture. There are many physical signs before the second coming. Matthew is writing to Jewish believers about the end days and the tribulation. There are clear distinctions between the rapture and the second coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts